Zeiss - Giving in to Antis

I am pretty sure he wasn’t necessarily talking from a business point of view. But from the hunting rights point of view.
Does it make any sense at all for a quality scope mfr to be anti-hunting rights? They simply wish to minimize busine$$ disruption$ with snowflake-induced M$M headaches. Why McDs doesn't show cows in the commericals. We might not fully agree with it, but we understand the reasoning behind it. Besides, I consider that crap emergency road rations.
 
Try a Rem 760 or 7600 w/ the 18.5" short bbl (and your fav 1-5x scope lol.) They reload at the shot w/o taking your eyes off the sight. We shoot running game all the time, sans the dogs. Great for recovery when someone makes a bad shot! Sitting in stands on big plantation/farm properties along the Savannah (some nicely decorated with Spanish moss). Saw the biggest boar ever bagged in the wild. Could've increased the deer population by bagging 20 of 'em (but it wasn't allowed. 10 yrs ago.) 'Saw white and gray ones that looked like wolves. Be nice to the officials at OR Tambo airport (they love throwing their weight around if any 'tudes are detected.) I'm sure the industry will survive through July...lol Good luck!
Browning bar is the go to here.
Not messing with the flying with a gun thing.
I hope all is good to make the flight. I think we still have some years to go before the woke and their enablers stop it all.
 
The courage of your convictions is laudable; extraordinarily naïve but laudable. I assume you have never had to run a multi-national, publicly trade company. In case you don't know, that means the "owner" are the share holders and the person who runs it is the Chief Executive Officer (CEO).

I haven't either, but as a Vice President, I have run a multi-hundred million dollar business unit for a multi-billion dollar defense corporation that employs over a hundred thousand people. You better believe every word that came out of my mouth in an interview, a speech, or a customer or teaming negotiation was extremely well considered and depending on the subject, vetted with the Chief Information Officer (CIO).


Respectfully, you are going to have to school me as to what you believe is the purpose of a business enterprise. I don't know what line of work you are in, perhaps you donate every bit of profit to saving whales, or if you are salaried, you tell your employer to simply keep your wages. In the real world, a business can't survive unless it turns a profit. You don't get a wage or a profit unless you or your employer are successful.

Zeiss has a reasonably profitable business in a narrowly defined and fairly competitive market. They make superb outdoor instruments. But they are also leaders in optics of all kinds - particularly the medical field and photography. They are part of a larger holding group that represents even more diverse products.

I am sure they would like to continue to make quality products in all their divisions. But if they become the center of some hysterical anti-hunting or anti-assault weapon crusade, they endanger their whole product line. Hospitals turn to other lens and instrument sources, Leica turns to China for camera lenses etc. etc.

They are simply being good stewards of their brand, protecting their employees, and sustaining their share value.
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I never suggested Zeiss was run by an "owner" lol
 
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I never suggested Zeiss was run by an "owner" lol
I apologize. I could have sworn you typed "I would never do it if I was in charge but I'm not." You were referring to the notion of compromise.
 
you're just a US customs 4457 and SAP 520 form away (and declarations/inspections ea side, incl. separate ammo.) from taking your own (perhaps you've heard some similar, BS hype. It's no trouble at all to fly w/ guns (esp. from ATL to JHB.) Ok a Rem 7400 would be fine, too, but I'm sure there are Rambo wannabes out there w/ ARs! :p With all the work I've put into my guns, with few exceptions I could never, ever leave the very familiar, right tools home on a trip to use some unfamiliar gun that's been banged up since birth (some even featured in past civil wars!) I did once use a PHs 375 at his suggestion for larger PG, got familiar with it, loved it, and later purchased it. That's one exception. LOL Asia may be another...
 
Browning bar is the go to here.
Not messing with the flying with a gun thing.
I hope all is good to make the flight. I think we still have some years to go before the woke and their enablers stop it all.
Let's forget Zeiss and my resume for a minute - bring your own rifle. I have never had an issue, and for me at least, using my firearm over there is part of what makes it special.
 
Let's forget Zeiss and my resume for a minute - bring your own rifle. I have never had an issue, and for me at least, using my firearm over there is part of what makes it special.
Understood. But the set up is nice Sako with $5 k swaro on it. I don’t have a gun as good as the set up. Maybe next time but I plan to bow hunt next time however long that maybe. Could be a while.
 
Yesterday a memo was leaked by Zeiss employees and pro staff. Apparently they have been headed in this direction for a a while now.

To me this is just another example of the slow but inevitable erosion of hunting.
Thoughts?

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Glad I seen this, I was about to make a substantial scope purchase from them But will look at other options now
 
Arrogant, snarky, elitist ....... fine.

I just get so tired when a company makes a business decision that the immediate response is that they are caving, or profiteers, or whatever. I find the if I "were running that company ......" particularly aggravating. I simply suggest thinking through some of these issues is better than immediately jumping on a critical band wagon that may or may not be responding to actual facts. After all, it is exactly what the internet mob does when it goes after one of us.

And businesses make all sorts of stupid decisions. Yeti should be the poster child. I just don't think this is one of them.
Fine indeed
 
If any get fed up with Zeiss and want to sell their scopes off at a discount, let me know. I like them and have had friendly customer service on several occasions...just sayin
 
If any get fed up with Zeiss and want to sell their scopes off at a discount, let me know. I like them and have had friendly customer service on several occasions...just sayin
As steve's personal ass't., he has asked that you run the deals through me 1st, via PM. Thx. lol Any takers (givers) of Z8s??
 
Wow, surprised by some responses.
I think they are just taking a position that they don't promote anything that likely to be misconstrued in a negative way.
They have a business to consider, they are being cautious. Fact or fiction, leaked or not it's nothing anti hunting about it. It's playing nice and protecting public perception of the company.

Swarovski own it and likely do similar.

As for optics, I've met birdwatchers when I worked on park. Some had costly Binoculars, some liked to show them off and occassion I asked when I saw something like Swarovski in hand. Talked about what they had seen and what they hoped to see.

My PH had nice Lieca RF Binoculars. O don't think these companies are anti, they just promote the right product in the right forum and the weight way. Anything else would be a waste of money.

We have access to forums of like-minded people to discuss hunting, trophy animals and firearms.

No good promoting the best binoculars fr horse racing where I'm looking because I won't be needing those.
 
I hope they don’t go the way of Nikon.…..

Nikon was increasingly uncomfortable promoting a product line that might cast shade (and by shade they mean undesirable dead animals) on the company’s more visible and profitable lines of cameras and camera lenses.

So, as many of you have mentioned, they made a Business decision to protect employees and shareholders and choose to discontinue their hunting lines.

I think the reason this got so heated so fast is the fact that the business decisions companies are being forced to make are because of eroding public sentiment regarding hunting.

I own and run a company in a controversial field so I get the “business” decision, it justs a shame that in this woke world we are forced to make them.

I also get the sentiment that sometimes it’s important to take a stand.
 
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Sez who? This certainly sounds like the guys at FE have an agenda: “For too long mainstream media and corporations have defined the narratives of time in the field.”

I work in corporate marketing, and this “memo” looks/sounds more like an early draft or someone’s brainstorm to me — note the grammar and spelling mistakes. Typically they would get cleaned up before widely distributed.

I also work in and around corporate marketing. Given the incoherence of some of the items, I don’t think someone with all that much hunting acumen wrote it - probably the brainchild of the 21-year old social media manager or intern.

i still don’t doubt FE has done their homework. They have a lot to lose if they are making it up.

According to their own post, they have verified it. See here:

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I hope they don’t go the way of Nikon.…..

Nikon was increasingly uncomfortable promoting a product line that might cast shade (and by shade they mean undesirable dead animals) on the company’s more visible and profitable lines of cameras and camera lenses.
They knew their place, as a Zeiss scope a Nikon most certainly is NOT! 'Had one once-total crap in comparison ('get what you pay for) and pulled many off used guns purchased (and similarly "re-gifted" when selling others!) Crap for my purposes. Fine for the weekend warrior sitting in a stand for deer 2 days a year. Gosh, darn do I miss that Buckmasters sig. series. Cameras? Excellent!!! 'Have 3.
 
This is getting a bit too Quantico for me.... :ROFLMAO::cool:
 

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