Zeiss - Giving in to Antis

I don’t think anyone can school you on anything @Red Leg ;)

I enjoy helping my friend fairly regularly.

Just like deleting all the off topic blah blah about a member managing to somehow misquote something. It’s fixed by way.

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that's crazy-but interesting. it's like you found the cask of amontilado in your very own house, but in A.C. form lol was it just a circuit for the heater or do you now have capacity for more gizmos (i.e. jitterbug charger, lift-ez chair, etc.) I'm not laughing. I'll buy used in a few years!!!
I can see @C.W. Richter and @Red Leg having races in the lift ez chairs!!! Of course, to fill their glasses with some nectar of the gods.
 
I’m not a Zeiss expert but suppose that sporting optics are likely not their top profit center either.

I would not be quick to lump Japan’s manufacturing in with the majority of Asian manufacturers. Japan makes some of the finest quality glass, steel, sewing machines, watches, cars and other machinery anywhere. They are a very conscientious society….
Yeah, there's more....I grew up in a rather nice place, where the nicest suburbs and country estates met the beginnings of farmland and rural places. I could walk across the street and begin fishing or hunting in 30 sec. 10 mi down river was the largest, most profitable, prosperous steel mill in the USA and 30 the largest city in my State (the US capitol for a time in history!) Many of my friends' parents worked there in varying capacities (mgmt., eletricians, electronics, steelmaking, trucking, auto repair, etc. I even delivered auto parts there for NAPA as a 15 y/o-i drove well and lied on the app.) and even a few of their kids. But, the greedy, corrupt Unions kept asking for more and more and more until paying walt the janitor $27/hr in 1985 became fiscally unsound. They closed the doors and sold it to a Japanese company. I have issues on both sides. Greed that Sells Out America. ;) I'm in the environmental business and the greenies have gone too far with policies that push business down south and finally, out of the USA. It's more International politics than it is environmentalism. Japan needs to work on its nuclear reactor mgmt and deep sea fishing habits, for starters! Real Env Issues.
 
LOL my (fmr.) wife of 20 yrs ago was bi-Polar opposite! LOL. Too much of a "good thing" perhaps. The suitable replacement for the last 10 was made for me! I think what you describe (the pairing) is pretty common. I can only thank her in part for the two great kids we raised (both dr.'s now) as well as my passion for hunting. I put some extra $ into TP stocks during covid, so those are valuable assets, too! When i see my test result acronym, it makes me think of all the toxic waste sites i've cleaned up for NJ. Ok to work there. Just get out before dark and don't live there! LOL
We have been having a ball for forty years - but other than politics - there is little we perceive in the same way.
 
I can see @C.W. Richter and @Red Leg having races in the lift ez chairs!!! Of course, to fill their glasses with some nectar of the gods.
My dr. recently gave me 2 life strategies to choose from: Ctd. enjoyment of nectar-induced e-scooter races with fellow Safari hunters and death in a decade OR "take these 2 pills daily and do whatev you like!" It's just beginning to soak in...LOL Me thinks getting out of the chair and more sparse nectar collection is probably the way to go (my ancestors lived 88-102; the former drank-the latter did not AND they hunted!) I'm thinking 88 is Beijing gold-worthy if I continued on the same path as during covid. On your marks, RedLeg! (i do fancy those lifts that carry old ladies up staircases! thinking of putting a few in deer stands. maybe the home elevators to make it more weather-resistant?) Always evening nectar. The work must be done first!!!
 
We have been having a ball for forty years - but other than politics - there is little we perceive in the same way.
my parents were precisely the same as you two, but somehow it worked!
 
I enjoy helping my friend fairly regularly.

Just like deleting all the off topic blah blah about a member managing to somehow misquote something. It’s fixed by way.

Please feel free to go back to debating how someone else should manage their money and resources. Enjoy
I Like Titanium!
 
How did I know you would be providing adult oversight to this thread. :unsure:
It’s like the Force. Just a feeling when the vortex is starting to spin.
By the way, if you are a “P” in that ENTP I’ll refund you one of those drinks you owe me. LOL
 
It’s like the Force. Just a feeling when the vortex is starting to spin.
By the way, if you are a “P” in that ENTP I’ll refund you one of those drinks you owe me. LOL
So they say - I "feel" it may be true. And please don't confuse me with a bunch of detail. Now my lovely spouse on the other hand.......
 
So they say - I "feel" it may be true. And please don't confuse me with a bunch of detail. Now my lovely spouse on the other hand.......
LOL yeah the paradox of the Think vs the Feel. Feeling is why we have the current adminstration, as Thinking has no part of that! :p Also why Disney's et. al. warped animated portrayals of animals got the anti-hunting sentiment to go catalytic!
 
Back to the subject at hand. I do like my Zeiss on my 404J. As others have mentioned. If someone has one they just can't stand to keep, I could be interested for my 375H&H.
 
Yesterday a memo was leaked by Zeiss employees and pro staff. Apparently they have been headed in this direction for a a while now.

To me this is just another example of the slow but inevitable erosion of hunting.
Thoughts?

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I'm glad they promote wearing of eyes and ears. I would be stuffed without them. May as well be without ears because of industrial hearing loss but I do need to wear my eyes to hunt.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bob
 
Generations of cavers and compromisers has created this environment and by the looks of this conversation/thread I’d say things ain’t gonna change. Give an inch and so on and so forth.

Some of you fine gentlemen are justifying/condoning woke/PC behavior if it’s in the best interest of the pursuit of the almighty dollar. ;)

A business can not survive by alienating majority of its customer base. As others have pointed out hunting and shooting related business is a minor portion of Zeiss family of companies.

That happens in most people's personal life as well. Most civilized people have a filter that avoids topics that would offend others around them.

In regards to your comment about a company tailoring its public relations to appeal to most people in order to pursue the "almighty dollar", what do you think the main purpose of a publicly traded company is?

Finally, the Zeiss memo is not anti-hunting or anti-gun. It is constructed in a way to emphasize the firearm related products while offending the least amount of people.
 
Yeah, there's more....I grew up in a rather nice place, where the nicest suburbs and country estates met the beginnings of farmland and rural places. I could walk across the street and begin fishing or hunting in 30 sec. 10 mi down river was the largest, most profitable, prosperous steel mill in the USA and 30 the largest city in my State (the US capitol for a time in history!) Many of my friends' parents worked there in varying capacities (mgmt., eletricians, electronics, steelmaking, trucking, auto repair, etc. I even delivered auto parts there for NAPA as a 15 y/o-i drove well and lied on the app.) and even a few of their kids. But, the greedy, corrupt Unions kept asking for more and more and more until paying walt the janitor $27/hr in 1985 became fiscally unsound. They closed the doors and sold it to a Japanese company. I have issues on both sides. Greed that Sells Out America. ;) I'm in the environmental business and the greenies have gone too far with policies that push business down south and finally, out of the USA. It's more International politics than it is environmentalism. Japan needs to work on its nuclear reactor mgmt and deep sea fishing habits, for starters! Real Env Issues.
I am in an environmental business as well…. I am a degreed registered Forester, and I own a Forestry and Logging company ….I understand all too well public perception and pressure from greenies (I refuse to call them environmentalists because I am more of an environmentalist than they will ever be). I believe rather than hiding in the shadows education is a better solution.

My counter is often similar to the response of do you eat meat…. I’ll ask, do you use paper products, lumber, what is your house is made from? What do you wipe your back end with? No one has been able to refute that one yet.

…..and then point to the fact that trees are renewable and it doesn’t have to be mined and is not bad for the environment and is biodegradable.
 
I enjoy helping my friend fairly regularly.

Just like deleting all the off topic blah blah about a member managing to somehow misquote something. It’s fixed by way.

Please feel free to go back to debating how someone else should manage their money and resources. Enjoy
Having the authorities on one’s side is never a bad thing ;)

This brings to mind a another situation a while back…

A sponsor and I’m guessing another one of your “friends” actually threatened (not with death or anything crazy like that but with a physical altercation, a threat nonetheless) another member.

Now you would think that something like that would result in a banning but it didn’t. It probably would have if it were someone else but I’m not sure.

Nobody try to find it. If memory serves it was deleted as well.

AH is definitely a tight knit community. Impartial? I’m not so sure :A Naughty:
 
Assuming it's legit, there could be collateral damage to their other lines. I used to buy a lot of hunting, shooting, fishing and other sports products from Dick's Sporting Goods. Since they went woke on black guns, I haven't been in to any of their stores, shopped online nor purchased anything they sell.
 
@C.W. Richter I worked under a USW contract in a steel mill in 1985 and I can assure you, janitors were NOT making $27 an hour. In fact they were making around $10 an hour. What killed steel was the environmentalists and Ronald Reagan allowing cheap foreign steel in to the country without import taxes. He didn't start the race to the bottom but was right there at the forefront initiating the drive for NAFTA.
 

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May I ask you to give me your comments; do I forget something ? are my choices worthy ? Thank you in advance
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