Would you hunt with a operator hunting illegaly?

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I feel like I remember reading here it was illegal in RSA, maybe it’s province by province? I could be wrong though, I usually am

@Aaron N
I am NEVER WRONG but it's very rare that I'm right either.
HA HA HA HA HA HA
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I have problem with trophies taking too much space at home.

And I am coming more and more to the level of being willing to hunt, without option to bring trophy home.
So, home country ban on import, becomes more and more irrelevant to me.
I am more and more looking for affordable hunts, not for importable trophies.

@mark-hunter
My hunt in Namibia I wanted some trophy animals just representive head not records.
In Australia I care not as I prefer a good meat animals. Don't get me wrong if a trophy stag popped up I would definitely shoot it and eat it.
Bob

 

[Hunt anything]

@mark-hunter
My hunt in Namibia I wanted some trophy animals just representive head not records.
In Australia I care not as I prefer a good meat animals. Don't get me wrong if a trophy stag popped up I would definitely shoot it and eat it.
Bob

My hunting at home is focused on filling the freezer as we really enjoy Game meat and relaxation and to recharge my mental batteries. Like you I won’t pass on a trophy.
In Africa priorities are focused on new experiences and good mature representatives of the animals I hunt.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Only if I were hunting dodgy politicians, or bent lawyers

@geoff rath
If you were hunting either of those you would run out of ammo before running out of targets.
Bob

 

[Sideshow]

What is a bakkie?

Strange question coming from you OT who’s hunted in SA. It’s the YarYars slang for pick up truck. Kiwis and Ozzies call it a UTE.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Strange question coming from you OT who’s hunted in SA. It’s the YarYars slang for pick up truck. Kiwis and Ozzies call it a UTE.

I may have heard some of the staff call it that when talking among themselves in Afrikans (how would I know?) but when my PH and I had cause to bring up the rig during conversation, it was always "the Toyota."

 

[Sideshow]

I may have heard some of the staff call it that when talking among themselves in Afrikans (how would I know?) but when my PH and I had cause to bring up the rig during conversation, it was always "the Toyota."

Still find it strange. Even a small amount of time spent in SA our for that matter any country and you will pick up there slang….ie braai=bbq etc
Man, just have to look at the number of slang words for cool box….lol
Or flip flops…..

 

[375Fox]

Still find it strange. Even a small amount of time spent in SA our for that matter any country and you will pick up there slang….ie braai=bbq etc
Man, just have to look at the number of slang words for cool box….lol
Or flip flops…..

It’s not that strange to me just depends where you hunt. I heard very little Afrikaans spoken in eastern cape mainly English. Limpopo and Namibia only Afrikaans. Zimbabwe is only English.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Still find it strange. Even a small amount of time spent in SA our for that matter any country and you will pick up there slang….ie braai=bbq etc
Man, just have to look at the number of slang words for cool box….lol
Or flip flops…..

@Sideshow
Come to Australia and try and pick up our slang mate. It will make your head swim.
That bloke is quicker than a seagull on a hot chip.
Try explaining don't come the raw prawn ya bludger or I'll snot ya.
We're a weird mob Down here.
Bob

 

[Ontario Hunter]

It’s not that strange to me just depends where you hunt. I heard very little Afrikaans spoken in eastern cape mainly English. Limpopo and Namibia only Afrikaans. Zimbabwe is only English.

I have a hard time with the English they speak in the East Cape. Even with my hearing aids turned on, it's still not easy for me to follow along. Every time I return it always takes a while to "get in the groove." About the time I stop inadvertently climbing into the driver's side of the Toyota, I will finally be picking up on 3/4 of conversations.

 

[Ridge Runner]

It’s not that strange to me just depends where you hunt. I heard very little Afrikaans spoken in eastern cape mainly English. Limpopo and Namibia only Afrikaans. Zimbabwe is only English.

Guess it depends on location and outfitter as in the East Cape the PH's would speak Afrikaans to the trackers, I picked up a customer word or 2, and English to the client. Only a very few of the trackers were/or chose to speak English.

In Zimbabwe, only the so called PH and his wife spoke English while all others in camp only spoke (or chose to speak) Zimbabwean..... or Afrikaan.

 

[Ridge Runner]

I have a hard time with the English they speak in the East Cape. Even with my hearing aids turned on, it's still not easy for me to follow along. Every time I return it always takes a while to "get in the groove." About the time I stop inadvertently climbing into the driver's side of the Toyota, I will finally be picking up on 3/4 of conversations.

Yep, on my subsequent 2nd and 3rd trips, knowing the passenger's side is on the left, I still head to the right, thinking I'm getting in on the passenger side. And there's that first curve after leaving the lodge and the turn onto the 4 lane that catches me off guard when an oncoming vehicle approaches, or having to go across 2 lanes waiting on the oncoming vehicle to turn in front of us coming off the highway. The only 2 places that throw me off on driving in the left (wrong lane).

 

[375Fox]

Guess it depends on location and outfitter as in the East Cape the PH's would speak Afrikaans to the trackers, I picked up a customer word or 2, and English to the client. Only a very few of the trackers were/or chose to speak English.

In Zimbabwe, only the so called PH and his wife spoke English while all others in camp only spoke (or chose to speak) Zimbabwean..... or Afrikaan.

My trackers in Zimbabwe only spoke their local language but the government game scout could speak and write English. Generally you will not find Afrikaans spoken in Zimbabwe because the whites there were originally British not Dutch. Afrikaans is a Dutch variant from the boers. It’s an official language. There are a lot of official and unofficial black African languages and dialects spoken I didn’t include on that list. For South Africa, I think it would depend on whether the area was originally controlled by British or Boers how prevalent one language is compared to the other.

 

[Ridge Runner]

My trackers in Zimbabwe only spoke their local language but the government game scout could speak and write English. Generally you will not find Afrikaans spoken in Zimbabwe because the whites there were originally British not Dutch. Afrikaans is a Dutch variant from the boers. It’s an official language. There are a lot of official and unofficial black African languages and dialects spoken I didn’t include on that list. For South Africa, I think it would depend on whether the area was originally controlled by British or Boers how prevalent one language is compared to the other.

My interest in learning Afrikaan was sparked when one evening we were returning from hunting a concession. I spotted a road sign along side the "flagger" station in multiple languages. Two , but one particular, I interpreted as being German. It was a "similarity" to Germanic; my PH, translated as Dutch--Germanic. The phrase became an inside joke between my PH and I, whenever I did something "stupid" or "socially incorrect" at the lodge.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

Today in Zimbabwe probably 1/2 PHs speak English & Afrikaans. Actually I would guess probably 1/2 of whites speak english & Afrikaans.

It won’t be long before chinese will be an important language in Zim.

 

[freefall]

Won't be long before Chinee is important in America.

 

[Hunt anything]

In Mozambique my PH was South African and spoke English to me, Fanagalo to the trackers and the trackers spoke Portuguese to me and I know Spanish and the Portuguese was close enough to Spanish that we could make it work. But by the end of my time in Mozambique I knew enough we could all communicate in fanagalo.
in the eastern cape our PH native language was Afrikaans and spoke good English while talking to the trackers in their language of Xhosa.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

I find it interesting that more hunter are more interested in the language that their camp staff are speaking, than is their outfitter licensed to hunt in the country you are hunting in? Or is the front company there just to provide a semblance of being legal.

Times have changed.

 

[Hunt anything]

I find it interesting that more hunter are more interested in the language that their camp staff are speaking, than is their outfitter licensed to hunt in the country you are hunting in? Or is the front company there just to provide a semblance of being legal.

Times have changed.

Do you have a problem with a visiting Hunter trying to learn some of the native culture and language? I for one vet the companies I visit the best I can but don’t want to be a blind follower and just shoot when told to shoot, I prefer to be a part of a team and being able to communicate is a huge part of that for me.

 

[SFRanger7GP]

First off, hang in there, Lon. You can beat this. I was told 50/50 chance of never having a normal life and 99% chance of my cancer returning. I am 15 years cancer free. My life is as "normal" as I have always lived it.

The 2 times I used an outfitter (US and Argentina), the hunt was "successful" but not enjoyable. Since then, I have avoided using outfitters unless the outfitter is the owner.

Most experienced travelers should know when something isn't right. I have an ultra-sensitive BS meter and it is seldom wrong. One issue I have seen is that many people leave their moral and ethics compass at home when they travel. When I worked Personnel Recovery for DoD/DoS, most of my work was getting US citizens out of trouble. So many seemed to think laws that they must follow in the US can be ignored outside the US, especially in 3rd World countries. Then there is the "my friend/guide/outfitter/sponsor/cousin/etc. told me they never enforce that..."

From a hunter perspective, I think a lot of issues are more on the moral/ethics side. Many have floating standards when it comes to the must have trophy. At the end of the day, we must all live with ourselves and be prepared to pay the consequences if we stray.

Safe hunting