Would you hunt with a operator hunting illegaly?

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

A similar question. Will you hunt illegally on your own, and on your own property?

A friend of mine recently tried for 6 months to get a destruction permit for a leopard catching his Bonsmara calves. KZN Nature conservation/ Ezemvelo wildlife did nothing, even though on two occasions they confirmed kills by the same male leopard. The rangers who did this tried their utmost to motivate for him to get a permit. The fools in the office did nothing.

End result the leopard met a 180gr .30-06 bullet in the shoulder, the farmer kept the scull and dug a deep hole with his TLB, and disposed of the carcass. That was 26 calves later. I would have done the same, only much sooner.

I’m sure that was his point, but well thought out threads/posts get well thought posts in return. I’ve seen nothing so far that would educate someone how to choose those operating legally from those operating

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

When I started this thread it was a simple question, I had no intention providing a expose of illegal operators.

Verifiable questions I would ask:

Is the operator licensed to do business in the country that you will be hunting in.

Does the outfitter have a tourism license for the country that you will be hunting.

Do all PHs have a valid PH license for the country that you will be hunting in.

I regret that I can not provide dates, names and places. This is Africa bad things happen here.

 

[Dewald]

When a hunt starts as an illegal hunt, it is ill

i agree with the rancher. Now if the rancher who may or not be a PH. Comes up with a story and sells that hunt as Don’t worry it will be ok and when they start issuing permits we will get you a export permit.

You vote on second scenario, illegal or ethics?

What should the penalty be for the hunter?

Illegal and unethical. The penalty for the hunter should be determined by his country of origin.

However, if he got a fellow South African to pull the trigger at a cost, for the experience, and making all the facts known to him I see no problem.

The fact is that the Zulu king is entitled to all destruction leopard skins, and that 100s of leopards are hunted illegally by the Zulus for the traditional market without any repercussions, makes me sick.

So yes. In that scenario, where you are R400 000 down, and a local hunter has a taxidermist with a permit willing to mount rhe leopard or tan the skin and bleach the scull, if the hunter wants to take the risk I see no problem.

I’ve personally received permits in a day to shoot spotted hyena killiling the Zulu King’s cattle, yet know of farmers adjacent that waited for over a year.

 

[0002S]

Would I knowingly, no.

Do I understand people do, because they want to make a quick $, yes.

Do I believe that there are people who will take advantage of the above and hunt illegally, yes.

Are there people who unknowingly participate in illegal hunts, yes.

Nothing new here. been going on since the first day of commerce.