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[Tucketed]

@reineke,as a conservative I can say I do not adore Trump just the opposite. He is the first president in my times who accomplished most of what he promised unlike all of the others, Republican or Democrat. It appears he raised a wonderful family with values as mine. He worked as hard as anyone I have ever seen in politics for the people. He was tried and investigated on the US and world court for so many things all of which were bull. I can also say he is a arsehole and his worst enemy is himself.

 

[Jfet]

The problem is that we need to figure out how to tap into as many of these low information voters as possible to win elections.

I am thinking that if my high school football team is short a kicker and we get a kid that moves in from Manchester, England that plays soccer well and kicks I am not about to say soccer is for sissies. In fact there is probably going to be some Manchester United jerseys passed out the amongst the players.
I have seen many schools in Texas where the special teams coordinator for the football team is also the head soccer coach.
Every so often you get one of those soccer players that are kicking specialists on the football team come to you and say I can help in other positions if you need me. You don’t get that happening if you constantly tell the world that soccer sucks and people that play it are idiots.

 

[LivingTheDream]

@reineke for what it is worth, this is more of a venting session. But you also need to realize that a lot of Republicans can't put a Republican bumper sticker on their car or sign in front of their house. The reason being our house/car will be vandalize and neighbors will ostracized you. So even though their is venting going on here on internet land, in real life it is probably more the opposite.

This election wasn't stolen, independents didn't break for Republicans, most incumbents won, in a vacuum nothing that shocking. Looking at data I see where Republicans under and over performed in different areas.

I also don't think Trump was a drag this election (I say this and I have no desire for him to run again). If you look at 2020, not a single republican incumbent lost their seat, not the case this go around. It actually seems like there was a lot of split ticket (kemp out performing warlock, lake outperforming masters) so candidates matter.

I have dove into but I am guessing there is 3 issues for Republicans under performing. 1) Republican need to start embrace vote by mail and early voting. 2) University cities got students to vote, the line at University of Michigan was 4 hours long, Wisconsin was 2 hours long...I am guessing polling underestimated this youth vote 3) Social Issues were literally on the ballot with states legalizing abortions or weed. This are passionate issues and got people to show up.

DeSantis, Youngkin, Vance are the model to follow, have a conservative message say on message, push back when necessary with facts but don't get in the mud.

 

[BSO Dave]

Now when I follow the political discussions in this thread, and the aggressive, despicable way many speak about other Americans, who just happen to have another political agenda, I wonder what has become of my political model of many years....

I can only speak for myself in trying to answer your question..

The political division in USA is no longer as simple as fellow Americans who share the same culture, morals, values, and sense of community having disagreements about policy. We now have a political party representing half the country who is desperately trying to disregard the U.S Constitution and the rule of law that it is supposed to protect.

They are trying to undermine our founding principles by enacting wholesale changes to the government moving radically towards a bigger, more powerful socialistic government which embraces these idiotic and terribly destructive "WOKE" ideologies. This has created a climate where I no longer share any sense of morality, culture, or community with these people. They have a completely different vision for our country and they are literally attempting to take it at the cost of the very freedoms the Constitution is supposed to guarantee. The damage they are inflicting is no longer figurative.. It is quite literal. Therefore, I speak no differently of them than I would of any other traitor or invader trying to take away what I have worked my entire life to achieve and protect.

But they would rather believe that than believe that a majority of Americans seem willing to put up with woke and inflation rather than the Trump led version of conservatism (notice I said nothing about the notion of America First - but rather Trump led.)

I agree and your point about "Trump's brand of conservatism" vs. "America-first conservatism" is well taken. That still fails to explain or justify the stupidity of these voters. If you are knowingly voting against your own freedoms, prosperity, and well-being because the candidate you are voting against was endorsed by an individual who has not held office for 20 months, you have voted solely on emotion, not by intellect or any measure of common sense.

Forrest Gump said it best: "Stupid is as stupid does"

 

[Red Leg]

Liz Peek is in a sense a "traditional" Republican, but also a very smart and experienced political observer. While recognizing his glaring warts, she has been a supporter of Trump, to include the 2020 election. Her opinion piece back during that election "5 Reasons Why a Sane Person Should Vote - Again - for Trump" was classic - if futile. Above all she is a political pragmatist.

This morning she has published another editorial that says far more eloquently than I what I think we should embrace with respect to Ron DeSantis.

Ron DeSantis is the new Republican Party leader

The biggest winner of the midterm elections was Ron DeSantis. The biggest loser was Donald Trump.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Jfet]

DeSantis, Youngkin, Vance are the model to follow, have a conservative message say on message, push back when necessary with facts but don't get in the mud.

In 1988, at the beginning of my coaching teaching career in Texas, I watched successful high school football coaches grab kids by the face mask and deliver licks. I was apart of that. By 2019, if you want to be a successful coach/teacher in Texas you do it a different way. However, you still have to get your kids to execute at a very high level.

Go talk to that person with the light blue hair and find something to agree upon. Then build from there.
We don’t need or can afford to recreate an 1859 style division.

 

[sestoppelman]

Please make sure to thank all those idiots who voted for higher gas prices, higher grocery prices, and for the oncoming blue recession. They deserve what's coming. Phucking phucks!

They deserve whats coming but we dont!

 

[BSO Dave]

Go talk to that person with the light blue hair and find something to agree upon. Then build from there.

Nice sentiment and I wish you the best of luck with that approach..

I would argue that our societal movement away from respect, discipline, personal accountability, and a sense of civic duty has created the weak and feckless cultural environment that we are now dealing with.. The fact that many of these blue-haired kids have never been "grabbed by the facemask" is exactly what most of them are lacking and the reason this newest generation is so pathetic. I'm sorry but I will never reward willful cultural degradation with appeasement or capitulation.

 

[sestoppelman]

Looks like Johnson in WI has won, that is a big plus. How in the world nearly half the voters of WI voted for a Marxist America hating fool is beyond me!
Must be something in the water.

 

[PARA45]

They deserve whats coming but we dont!

Very true! How did our party miss this momentum is beyond me.

 

[PARA45]

I still question the vote integrity... but I think people priorities are pretty screwed up. How people are more concerned about abortions than providing for their families, world peace, immigration, taxes is beyond me... it's disturbing.

These are the same people that said my body my choice, but you should lose your job because you chose not to get an unproven vaccine. Good luck on the day they meet their maker.

 

[Randy F]

Looks like Johnson in WI has won, that is a big plus. How in the world nearly half the voters of WI voted for a Marxist America hating fool is beyond me!
Must be something in the water.

The only thing in my water today is whiskey.

The blue is mainly the college towns (Madison, Eau Claire, LaCrosse,etc) and more urban (Milwaukee).
You don’t see it so much in rural areas. At least in my neck of the woods.

The fact that it’s more prevalent in the college towns scares me. Who’s teaching who…and what.

If Johnson won then that’s great, but a very scary near miss.

 

[Scott CWO]

Liz Peek is in a sense a "traditional" Republican, but also a very smart and experienced political observer. While recognizing his glaring warts, she has been a supporter of Trump, to include the 2020 election. Her opinion piece back during that election "5 Reasons Why a Sane Person Should Vote - Again - for Trump" was classic - if futile. Above all she is a political pragmatist.

This morning she has published another editorial that says far more eloquently than I what I think we should embrace with respect to Ron DeSantis.

Ron DeSantis is the new Republican Party leader

The biggest winner of the midterm elections was Ron DeSantis. The biggest loser was Donald Trump.

www.foxnews.com

Exactly! It’s high time that we embrace Desantis and move on from Trump. I loved most of Trump’s policies but he’s not electable and the cult of personality followers he has need to move on.

 

[steve white]

In 1988, at the beginning of my coaching teaching career in Texas, I watched successful high school football coaches grab kids by the face mask and deliver licks. I was apart of that. By 2019, if you want to be a successful coach/teacher in Texas you do it a different way. However, you still have to get your kids to execute at a very high level.

Go talk to that person with the light blue hair and find something to agree upon. Then build from there.
We don’t need or can afford to recreate an 1859 style division.

Would be great if alternative teaching sources like PragerU could gain popular attraction

 

[cpr0312]

 

[steve white]

I wouldn't count out the Senate just yet. Lots of assumed GOP voted still uncounted in AZ, and a Georgia run-off appears to be on he horizon. A miracle may yet occur.

However, I do agree that these results to reflect an alarming slide to the left and possibly beyond the point of return.

I do not believe that those Trump-endorsed candidates who lost did so because of Trump's backing, or that they were weak candidates as McConnell so stupidly put it.. They lost because a lot of stupid, uninformed voters voted for the democrats.. Regardless, these seats needed to be filled by the new class of America-First agenda republicans and not more rubber stamp rhinos for McConnell. In my view, the election of another establishment republican would be just as useless and destructive as electing a democrat.

This election set national record turnout numbers across all voting blocks. The republicans who lost did so because the number of low information, low IQ, and blind party loyalists showed up in big numbers and voted democrat. The fact that every national poll taken in the last 20 months shows that the American people feel that this country is headed in the wrong direction by at least a 2/3rds margin and yet they STILL voted to elect the very people who caused and will perpetuate the misery is beyond comprehension.

This election emphatically proves that the often used political cliché that the American people are smart is completely false. Stupid Americans are now the majority, and there is no cure for stupid. Any Pennsylvanian, democrat, independent, or republican, who voted for Fetterman proves that! And, in Georgia, Kemp wins by 8 points, but Walker is in a dead heat with the false preacher who voted 100% for the Brandon agenda? Dear Georgia & Pennsylvania voters, WTF are you thinking? God help us all because we are obviously incapable of helping ourselves.

Thank God I live in Florida! Our idiot margins actually appear to be getting smaller..! My only concern is that now even more people will want to move here..

There is stupid and there is ignorant (and both) I talked to an employee today who had no CLUE that the Keystone pipeline had been shutdown, oil drilling leases denied or not renewed as a contributor to gas pricing, or that trying to outlaw Bunker-C as shipping fuel could shortage diesel as the go to replacement, or higher shipping costs add to inflation, or....in adfinitum.
We need sesame street grade explanation of what is wrong, who is responsible, and how to fix it for voters with low mental capacity!

 

[BSO Dave]

 

[spike.t]

Exactly! It’s high time that we embrace Desantis and move on from Trump. I loved most of Trump’s policies but he’s not electable and the cult of personality followers he has need to move on.

Spouting off again ,...he is it seems...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid

The ex-president says Florida's governor would be wrong to challenge him for the Republican nomination.

www.bbc.com

 

[steve white]

The problem is that we need to figure out how to tap into as many of these low information voters as possible to win elections. I should add we already have our share. A read through the comments section of any conservative site this morning, and you will find it filled with Trump supporters reinforcing each other that this election was stolen. Pretty amazing conspiracy to leave no evidence trail and pull it off across multiple states simultaneously. But they would rather believe that than believe that a majority of Americans seem willing to put up with woke and inflation rather than the Trump led version of conservatism (notice I said nothing about the notion of America First - but rather Trump led.)

DeSantis proves that the brand, less Trump, is sellable across a wide swath of communities in a very large and diverse state. He won suburban women, Hispanics, panhandle Crackers, and new refugees from across blue America. He even had a meaningful chunk of black voters. A man who won with less than 1% of the vote against an African American drug addict four years ago, took Crist down by 20%.

Meanwhile, Brian Kemp represents the more moderate wing of our party. He too won in a large diverse state. I know it is easy to hate McConnell. But another way of looking at his lack of support for some of the Trump endorsed candidates is that his rather vast experience said it would be a waste of rare funds because they were unelectable. It is also worth remembering that our Supreme Court would look far different today without him.

As of this morning we would seem probably to be 49 49 in the senate with Nevada and Georgia still in play. Assuming Laxalt pulls this out (someone McConnell strongly supported and Trump seems to hate), control of the senate will again depend upon a Georgia runoff. It will be instructive to see if angry conspiratorial Trump followers will again screw that up.

Well, we DO HAVE TO SHOW UP AGAIN in a runoff--sadly lacking last time.
Wouldn't it be great (and a shock to the dems) if we could get the new immigrants fleeing socialist failed states to speak, debate and hold forth on the danger of it happening to America, their new homeland? Let them do the heavy lifting and launch of a cultural movement into the Rep party.

 

[Jfet]

Nice sentiment and I wish you the best of luck with that approach..

I would argue that our societal movement away from respect, discipline, personal accountability, and a sense of civic duty has created the weak and feckless cultural environment that we are now dealing with.. The fact that many of these blue-haired kids have never been "grabbed by the facemask" is exactly what most of them are lacking and the reason this newest generation is so pathetic. I'm sorry but I will never reward willful cultural degradation with appeasement or capitulation.

Nope, I can tell you my players or students in the last decade were never appeased. They executed as well as those in 1988. We found a different way. Many of those people that voted democrat yesterday voted that way because they are scared to death of us. We set are standards, stick to our standards, explain our standards, and don’t call people morons or idiots in public if they disagree with us. We may not flip the person with the blue hair but we will cause other people who are closer to our ideas to step our way because they are not scared of us.