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[Brent in Az]

Disgraced, former Illinois Governor, Rod Blagojevich (D) stated that election fraud is a time honored tradition.

 

[Red Leg]

Disgraced, former Illinois Governor, Rod Blagojevich (D) stated that election fraud is a time honored tradition.

Sadly, it is in our country. Read about Tammany Hall, or as a proud native Louisianan - Huey Long and Edwin Edwards.

Frankly, the Constitution is a major reason for it. Leaving the execution of elections largely in the hands of state and local government almost invited corruption from the date of the founding.

 

[Deleted member 53080]

John Adams once said “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

 

[Deleted member 53080]

Sadly, it is in our country. Read about Tammany Hall, or as a proud native Louisianan - Huey Long and Edwin Edwards.

Frankly, the Constitution is a major reason for it. Leaving the execution of elections largely in the hands of state and local government almost invited corruption from the date of the founding.

America’s best qualities are often it’s greatest weaknesses.

 

[Hunter4752001]

Your system does invite local or state level corruption and I have often wondered why you put up with it. However, the more I look at it, the more I realize that it's part of the inspired genius of your founding fathers. I suspect their priority was to create a system whereby a President couldn't use centralized control of the election system to morph into an elected monarch. A monarch who ruled by fiat and had the power to turn citizens into slaves. Your system may allow a Tammany Hall but it prevents a Mugabe or Putin.

You may lose an election but there will be another one in a few short years.

 

[Brent in Az]

Your system does invite local or state level corruption and I have often wondered why you put up with it. However, the more I look at it, the more I realize that it's part of the inspired genius of your founding fathers. I suspect their priority was to create a system whereby a President couldn't use centralized control of the election system to morph into an elected monarch. A monarch who ruled by fiat and had the power to turn citizens into slaves. Your system may allow a Tammany Hall but it prevents a Mugabe or Putin.

You may lose an election but there will be another one in a few short years.

The founding fathers were pretty smart men.

 

[Wheels]

I have been away for four or five pages and just read them. It is always good to see so many astute observations by multiple people. Overall there is a much better understanding of civics in our little community than in the general population. You are to be commended. I will also give a shoutout to @Red Leg who gives a better intelligent breakdown and understanding of the subject matter than you will find listening to the mainstream media.

As has been mentioned, Georgia is close to being done if not already done. This is a self inflicted wound by a Republican legislature and governor. Hopefully ballot harvesting can be corrected prior to the two senate runoff races. If both GA senate seats go Democrat then there is no buffer for two years even though Biden doesn't have anything close to a mandate.

Pennsylvania has a decent chance to have all ballots received after 8pm on election day rejected since it doesn't coincide with Pennsylvania law. This would probably give the state to Trump. The Supreme Court doesn't want to address this unless they have to. They do not want their court attached to another Bush v Gore unless forced to.

The only real chance for Trump is if there is a software glitch/fraud designed into the Dominion software/computer system which is used in 30 states including all seven potentially questionable states. If there is a problem within the computer system look to have evidence shown by Monday when Trump's attorneys need to start showing evidence in their lawsuits and briefs. End of next week at the very latest.

 

[jeanes]

One thing I'm proud of, the lefty billionaires didn't get much of a return for all the millions they spent trying to buy the elections. Although I guess they did stimulate the economy.

 

[DillonG]

Should the worst case scenario occur and Biden becomes the next US president.

Does anyone know what the odds are he will last the first 100 days in office?

As a contingent: that is a side bet. Does anyone know the odds the whore will last 100 days as president?

As a cover bet: Does anyone know the odds Pelosi will be mentioned as the lead conspirator, so she could become president?

Asking for a friend.

I actually had this conversation with my boss yesterday. My comment was Biden better hire a food taster on day 1.

 

[Brent in Az]

One thing I'm proud of, the lefty billionaires didn't get much of a return for all the millions they spent trying to buy the elections. Although I guess they did stimulate the economy.

 

[JimP]

One thing I'm proud of, the lefty billionaires didn't get much of a return for all the millions they spent trying to buy the elections. Although I guess they did stimulate the economy.

The sad thing is that the only economy that they stimulated was the owners of the TV, radio, and online area where they placed their adds.

Not very much actually went towards consumer goods or areas where it would of helped.

However we may have a new person in line for the best gun salesman of the year award.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

The days of civility, and playing Mr. Nice guy, are over. It's time for the Republicans to get mean and nasty, or watch the party completely die within the next 10-20 years.

@Brent in Az , I could not disagree with you more: The days of civility and playing Mr. Nice guy ended when Trump took office. Trump became the same sort of candidate as Hillary, lots of people loved them, but they both had huge negatives with lots of people hating them. People didn't vote for Biden in 2020, they voted against Trump. If Trump was a corporate executive of a publicly traded company or a high ranking officer in the US military, he would have been fired or court marshalled for his behavior (and yet, I still voted for him).

Also, mean and nasty is dividing this country. It needs to stop. The Dems are not the enemy. China, Russia, N. Korea and Iran are.

So the Republicans (my party) did the mean and nasty for the last four years and voters, particularly women voters and young voters went for Biden. Better change the delivery...........not the message, just the delivery. Also, need a new messenger, unless Trump tries for a Grover Cleveland second term.

 

[DillonG]

I may be more optimistic for the fate of the conservative movement by what has been seen during this election. Yes, the likelihood of Trump being elected to a second term is slim at this point. However, republicans have seen an outsized gain in the house and state legislatures than was previously estimated. This is a redistricting cycle and it will benefit republicans for the next 10 years. The senate race in GA is the only focus now for both parties as many on the forum have previously mentioned. Additionally, election trends have shown the party opposing the sitting president typically out performs the party of the president. So there is a real possibility in 2022 and 2024 that republicans take back the house and expand a senate majority.
I’m not saying that I am not disturbed by millions of citizens questioning the legitimacy of our elections. We should return to an in-person vote promptly. It isn’t a coincidence that the number one search on Google after the 2nd presidential debate was “how to change my mail in ballot”. Clearly, a vast group of independent voters wanted to take back a hasty vote after the first debate.
My largest concern is how the GOP will recalibrate and try to sway independent and minority voters. They must maintain the momentum this election cycle has provided. Who knows, if Trump is voted out of office he could pull a Grover Cleavland.

 

[DillonG]

@Brent in Az , I could not disagree with you more: The days of civility and playing Mr. Nice guy ended when Trump took office. Trump became the same sort of candidate as Hillary, lots of people loved them, but they both had huge negatives with lots of people hating them. People didn't vote for Biden in 2020, they voted against Trump. If Trump was a corporate executive of a publicly traded company or a high ranking officer in the US military, he would have been fired or court marshalled for his behavior (and yet, I still voted for him).

Also, mean and nasty is dividing this country. It needs to stop. The Dems are not the enemy. China, Russia, N. Korea and Iran are.

So the Republicans (my party) did the mean and nasty for the last four years and voters, particularly women voters and young voters went for Biden. Better change the delivery...........not the message, just the delivery. Also, need a new messenger, unless Trump tries for a Grover Cleveland second term.

Lol just made the Grover Cleveland comment on my post. Trippy.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Lol just made the Grover Cleveland comment on my post. Trippy.

Yes, but I spelled Cleveland correctly..........

 

[DillonG]

Yes, but I spelled Cleveland correctly..........

Good job, you didn’t fat finger a letter.

 

[DillonG]

Anyone else going to alternative news sources or at least contemplating the change especially after this election cycle?

 

[Rick Cox]

That's rich. I am not exactly sure what a "leftist Bureaucratic coup" has to do with a vote count, but perhaps you can explain further. I can be slow and dull witted when not merely complicit.

What this is about is counting ballots. Both federal Appeals Courts and the Supreme court have had cases that offered the opportunity to bring ballot mailing to a halt or to bring post election day counting to a halt. Did not happen. The courts did order some ballot reception date limitations based upon perceived conflict with state law. But no court overturned the use of mail-in ballots or taking however long is necessary to count them. By definition, it was thus legal regardless what you may imagine or opine.

That abuses occurred in that process, I have no doubt. The system is ripe for "ballot harvesting" in particular. I am certain that community organizers gathered those mailed ballots in the large democrat metropolitan areas. I have no doubt they exercised every means at there disposal to insure they were marked for the Biden Harris ticket. That may be illegal in some places (though not all) and certainly unethical, but it was no coup. The Democrat party cleverly used a Covid voting remedy to fully exploit that urban advantage in several states. That it is frustrating is certain. But it is also smart politics.

Both parties have whiffed on opportunities to pursue meaningful election reform. The constitution, 14th amendment, and case law leave much authority to the states. Neither party is really interested in giving up the advantages offered by that authority.

I should point out Georgia is run by Republicans and the vote seems to be compiled competently. It is generally following the same slow-motion blue slide caused by mail-in votes in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Georgia alone will be enough to bring this to an end.

I don't like any of this. I don't like being in a party that allowed itself to be victimized by mail in voting. But I see nothing winnable in this battle. That doesn't mean the Trump campaign shouldn't exploit its every legal recourse. But if I am correct and not merely complicit, politically the focus better shift soonest to those two Georgia senate races. Win those and Biden's "mandate" is nothing but hot air. Loose them. and the Democrat party will indeed do generational damage to our country.

@Red Leg I don't agree with you re the "generational damage" the Dems will do, or your comments regards mail in voting. Having said that though, I want to say that I really appreciate your considered and articulate views and commentary. If you would like to expand on your thoughts concerning mail in voting I would be interested in reading them.

 

[DillonG]

@Red Leg I don't agree with you re the "generational damage" the Dems will do, or your comments regards mail in voting. Having said that though, I want to say that I really appreciate your considered and articulate views and commentary. If you would like to expand on your thoughts concerning mail in voting I would be interested in reading them.

Well for starters it’s not an effective process when the number one Google search following final presidential debate was “how do I change my vote”. I doubt it was so they could vote for Biden according to polling following the debate. How many more people regretted the vote because they changed their opinion after voting by mail? Also, there have been more fraudulent claims against absentee ballots than voting in person. I won’t speak for Red Leg, but my view of “general damage” would be the current news cycle. Americans don’t hold the same faith in the validity of our elections in outsized proportions this year. Why? By the evidence I have, the only thing that changed in the voting process was adding general mail-in voting.

I also failed to see the reason for voting by mail due to COVID. If I understand the mainstream media, they support BLM/ANTIFA protests/riots. Voting in person or going to church, according to them, risks lives. The CDC conveniently announces voting in person should be encouraged on Election Day, but prior was not promoted.

 

[Royal27]

Anyone else going to alternative news sources or at least contemplating the change especially after this election cycle?

Yes - Newsmax.