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[LivingTheDream]

What this is about is vote count. Both federal Appeals Courts and the Supreme court have had cases that offered the opportunity to bring ballot mailing to a halt or to bring post election day counting to a halt.

In PA this is not entirely true. The Supreme Court does have a hold in place and it appears that a previous order might have been ignored in some counties (this is on regardless to the counting ballots received after election day). I do believe that the PA legislation went against the Rules set forth by the Governor and AG, and I believe the constitution article 2 is on the legislation side as far as setting the election rules. So I imagine that the Supreme Court could rule in favor of Trump.

As far as Georgia there is a loop hole that allows ballot harvesting, so to that one I agree with you, well played Stacey Abrams.

But I am not sure there is much of a path for Trump. Though the software issue in MI is interesting.

 

[Red Leg]

In PA this is not entirely true. The Supreme Court does have a hold in place and it appears that a previous order might have been ignored in some counties (this is on regardless to the counting ballots received after election day). I do believe that the PA legislation went against the Rules set forth by the Governor and AG, and I believe the constitution article 2 is on the legislation side as far as setting the election rules. So I imagine that the Supreme Court could rule in favor of Trump.

As far as Georgia there is a loop hole that allows ballot harvesting, so to that one I agree with you, well played Stacey Abrams.

But I am not sure there is much of a path for Trump. Though the software issue in MI is interesting.

You are correct with regard to Pennsylvania. My point was, if not well stated, that the SCOTUS had an opportunity to act prior to the actual election and simply kicked the can instead. It will be interesting to see how that plays out over the next couple of weeks.

 

[LivingTheDream]

You are correct with regard to Pennsylvania. My point was, if not well stated, that the SCOTUS had an opportunity to act prior to the actual election and simply kicked the can instead. It will be interesting to see how that plays out over the next couple of weeks.

Very true, did they kick the can because it was a 4/4 split or did they fail to take the case. I havent been able to run down this exact situation.

 

[Brent in Az]

The same software used in 47 Michigan counties, as well as other states?

https://www.facebook.com/Breitbart/photos/a.10159587164165354/10166489832835354

 

[Brent in Az]

Imagine that!

Georgia Counties Using Same Software as Michigan Counties Also Encounter ‘Glitch’

Two Georgia counties using the same voting software as a Michigan county that experienced a glitch have also reported encountering glitches.

www.breitbart.com

 

[steve white]

Between the constitution the courts systems, and 14th amendment the implementation of that system was legal--that statement is my problem--only the state legislatures can LEGALLY change state voting procedure. Late balloting, etc. was not changed in the only way the constitution mandates. You made the above statement, which is not legal or factual--you are complicit in letting this happen, that is all.

 

[Deleted member 53080]

Very true, did they kick the can because it was a 4/4 split or did they fail to take the case. I havent been able to run down this exact situation.

That snake in the grass John Roberts led to the 4-4 split. Some or maybe all of the conservative judges had expressed concerns about the consequences of the non-decision on the issue before the election. Had Barrett been confirmed sooner (if it was possible) I think the situation would look a little different

 

[Rick Cox]

I had to laugh at the fact the immigrant has an issue with immigrant media personalities.
Or did you mean THOSE immigrants from over there?

You make a good point.
To be clear, I don't have an issue with 'immigrants' getting jobs as media personalities (or any other jobs) or having a voice in the country's system. What bothers me is a nationally owned corporation funded by tax dollars (to which I have contributed) that is used to disproportionately promote fringe group agendas. In a country that prides itself for being 'inclusive', the hard working middle class is largely taken for granted.

 

[spike.t]

The plan is already in place....

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

The plan is already in place....

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Yep. What’s the line in Vegas for how long it will be before the Dems turn on Biden to put Harris in the Oval?

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

So is it really a done deal or can Trumps court battles undo this?

 

[Brent in Az]

Yep. What’s the line in Vegas for how long it will be before the Dems turn on Biden to put Harris in the Oval?

They either turn on him, or give him the opportunity to resign with dignity, over health concerns.

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

They either turn on him, or give him the opportunity to resign with dignity, over health concerns.

An offer he can’t refuse.....

 

[Red Leg]

So is it really a done deal or can Trumps court battles undo this?

So technically the courts can indeed force a remedy if the election results were found to be contaminated. However, and that is an enormous however, Trump now would have to prove this occurred in multiple states affecting sufficient numbers of voters to change the outcome of the election in the electoral college. Remember, the court battles with Bush Gore involved only Florida.

I have no doubt Trump lawyers can find dead people voting in a number of places. Regrettably, it happens every year in this country - but enough to overturn the Nevada or Pennsylvania? I doubt it. I suppose the FBI could prove the conspiracy theorists right and drag some sniveling software operative before the cameras who would admit to dumping 100k votes in Michigan and Wisconsin - but I rather doubt that as well. Whether partisans want to believe it or not, I have no doubt a number of technical explanations also exist. And the real elephant in the room is Georgia which has a republican governor and legislature. That count will be accurate, and I don't see a way forward to 270 without it.

That said, the legal effort should continue at least through Georgia's recount. Whatever bright light can be shown on irregularities may help create a better election next time.

 

[Brent in Az]

An offer he can’t refuse.....

After he gets a big pay day ....

 

[Brent in Az]

So is it really a done deal or can Trumps court battles undo this?

It is not final. The next couple of months will be interesting.

 

[LivingTheDream]

So technically the courts can indeed force a remedy if the election results were found to be contaminated. However, and that is an enormous however, Trump now would have to prove this occurred in multiple states affecting sufficient numbers of voters to change the outcome of the election in the electoral college. Remember, the court battles with Bush Gore involved only Florida.

I have no doubt Trump lawyers can find dead people voting in a number of places. Regrettably, it happens every year in this country - but enough to overturn the Nevada or Pennsylvania? I doubt it. I suppose the FBI could prove the conspiracy theorists right and drag some sniveling software operative before the cameras who would admit to dumping 100k votes in Michigan and Wisconsin - but I rather doubt that as well. Whether partisans want to believe it or not, I have no doubt a number of technical explanations also exist. And the real elephant in the room is Georgia which has a republican governor and legislature. That count will be accurate, and I don't see a way forward to 270 without it.

That said, the legal effort should continue at least through Georgia's recount. Whatever bright light can be shown on irregularities may help create a better election next time.

I can see him winning PA in the courts and with the 100k provisional ballots outstanding (the are breaking about 75% to Trump so far).

Arizona is 50/50

GA I dont see how he does it. There is military ballots and provisional ballots which make up between 21 and 25k more to be counted. If 25k he can make it up if he wins 60% of them...21k is it more like 64%...the math just isn't there.

I will give the Biden campaign manager credit, they said they didn't need Florida or PA and I laughed. I was wrong.

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

If the dems have any sense they will assist the proper investigation. If they won fair and square so be it. The trust in the system is more important than one election.

 

[Red Leg]

Between the constitution the courts systems, and 14th amendment the implementation of that system was legal--that statement is my problem--only the state legislatures can LEGALLY change state voting procedure. Late balloting, etc. was not changed in the only way the constitution mandates. You made the above statement, which is not legal or factual--you are complicit in letting this happen, that is all.

"You made the above statement, which is not legal or factual--you are complicit in letting this happen, that is all."

I will cheerfully debate the accuracy of anything that I write on this site. But I will be damned if someone is going to tell me something I said is illegal. Unless of course your syntax is simply as confused as your argument. The Constitution, State Legislatures, the 14th Amendment, the Congress, and the courts through precedent, have all shaped our voting practices in local and national elections. The states have indeed retained primary responsibility for execution of the vote. During this cycle, I believe three appellate courts along with the supreme court had cases before it that could have been leveraged to reach a determination that vote by mail was a violation of state law. The only issue that seems to have resonated with the court was arrival date of mailed ballots. Even there, the courts have expressed no concern of length of time the count may take. In other words, in the implied if not explicit eyes of the court, vote by mail violated no state legislative laws.

Obviously, the plaintiffs should have run those cases by you instead.

Look, I don't like this any better than anyone else. But we better figure out where to fight our battles. Barring some legal revelation that affects multiple states and sufficient votes to change the outcome of the election, this battle can't be won. The party focus now needs to be the Georgia senate seats. The republican party needs to be as focused and ruthless as the democrats in winning those two seats. It is a Republican state. There should be no excuse for losing either.

If the dems have any sense they will assist the proper investigation. If they won fair and square so be it. The trust in the system is more important than one election.

From your mouth to God's ears.

 

[Red Leg]

I can see him winning PA in the courts and with the 100k provisional ballots outstanding (the are breaking about 75% to Trump so far).

Arizona is 50/50

GA I dont see how he does it. There is military ballots and provisional ballots which make up between 21 and 25k more to be counted. If 25k he can make it up if he wins 60% of them...21k is it more like 64%...the math just isn't there.

I will give the Biden campaign manager credit, they said they didn't need Florida or PA and I laughed. I was wrong.

Like most here, when FL and OH were clearly won and it looked like PA was in hand, I went to bed happily assuming he would win. The morning news and my hangover hurt.