Obsession with tactical rifles & equipment

[Tanks]

... I was involved in IPSC for some years & won 2nd place in the national championships in 1976 using a Colt 1911 gold cup but i did not have to dress in camo to do it!

Well, we dress in "bicycle race" shirts, not camo nowadays.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

I think this discussion has gone off the rails i personally do not have an issue with tactical rifles i carried one for 4 years the point i am trying to make is dressing in tactical gear at the rifle range gives the left wing turds an opportunity to brand shooters as right wing extremists , left wing extremists get a free ride in this country our political system is a mess.

I think that most of us think that owning and/or hunting with AR-15s is perceived by traditional shooting enthusiasts as giving the anti-gun people ammunition to shoot at us.

You have a valid point that "wanna be's" playing army and dressing for a firefight in public gives us all a bad image. I agree with you. Getting them to see things from our viewpoint, or better from that of John Q. Public, is not so easy. We can try to persuade people we know without telling them not to dress like G.I. Joe in public. Getting a complete stranger to realize how their combat attire may turn someone into an anti-gunner is quite a bit harder. Admittedly if I were to tell someone that dressing like G.I Joe sends a negative message they might give me a one-finger salute!

This is not an easy problem to solve...

 

[RTG]

Well, we dress in "bicycle race" shirts, not camo nowadays.

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As long as you don't have the tight shorts!

 

[shootist~]

Have you ever fired a "tactical semi-automatic shotgun". I just finished a 4 day course with my Beretta 1301 Tactical with an 18.5 inch barrel (45.3cm). It holds 7 rounds plus 1.

I can fire it and reload it much faster than a pump action shotgun. As a matter of fact at the end of the course there was a test on various skills under time pressure and I finished ahead of everyone including guys with pump action shotguns. That despite the fact that I had never fired that shotgun prior to the course and did not even know how to unload the magazine without firing it or making the bolt stay back on an empty gun (reason I took the course).

That shotgun definitely will be my choice of weapon for close quarters social work.

Finally, there is no such thing as a dangerous weapon, just dangerous men.

Sounds like you are ready to jump into 3-Gun. Way (way!) more fun than IPSC/USPSA, IMO. Pretty sure you can figure the rifle part out.

 

[Tanks]

Sounds like you are ready to jump into 3-Gun. Way (way!) more fun than IPSC/USPSA, IMO. Pretty sure you can figure the rifle part out.

3-Gun in CA is a no go for those not grandfathered in with those scary black guns. If I were to start a new shooting sport it would be PRS.

 

[WAB]

I went to watch a 3 gun match near here. The rifle and pistol work was interesting but the shotgun seemed a total waste of time. If anyone actually missed one of the shotgun targets they were truly pathetic shots. Why not at least throw a slow rabbit or
Battue to make it interesting? They could easily be thrown in range of these guns and in a manner to simulate the appropriate scenario.

Anyway, it completely put me off 3 gun.

 

[shootist~]

A pure shotgun stage can be a lot of fun if the effort and stage design is good, but yeah, speed knocking over steel targets and speed again in reloading are more the rule of the day. Maybe a few slugs at distance to make it interesting (and the reloads more complex).

But mix all three guns into most or all stages and the dynamic is much different. This was my club's normal when I was still competing.

Somewhat OT: We did one named "Zulu" (as in the movie) all shotgun stage at the 1999 SOF Match in Las Vegas that was my all time favorite. A high round count "Surprise" stage, (all targets unknown and completely out of sight) until you moved down a wall, shooting over the top, from cover, trying to identify (all) the bad guys hidden behind obstacles. All 00 buck and timed.

FWIW, one of my squad mates was a lady that taught ballet. And no camo except for some of the active duty military competitors, IIRC.

 

[shootist~]

3-Gun in CA is a no go for those not grandfathered in with those scary black guns. If I were to start a new shooting sport it would be PRS.

Understood, and one of the reasons I turned down a company transfer to Cali many years ago. (This was before things got so bad, but the writing was on the wall.)

I was always a PRS wannabe, just never got to it.

 

[Don458]

You can not own a Remington model8 or any semi auto in Australia since the Port Arthur shootings in 1995 & there is a strong believe it was a set up by the government for more gun control, & it worked. We are going into a federal election year the Labour party, similar to your Joe Biden administration is very anti gun & will stop at nothing to achieve their left wing agenda so feeding the media which is mainly left wing, oppotunites to brand shooters as right extremests does not do our cause any good, we do not have a 2nd amendment in this country the labour state governments closed down gun shops during the early covert virus for pubic safety so thats what we are up against . I was involved in IPSC for some years & won 2nd place in the national championships in 1976 using a Colt 1911 gold cup but i did not have to dress in camo to do it!

You actually make the case for exactly what I am saying. Feel sorry for you living in Australia . But the leftist Democrats are true Communist who lie and cheat to get what they want. That is why we have a 2 nd amendment to prevent Government overreach Godbless you.

 

[WebleyGreene455]

Every kid my age age grew up playing “Call of Duty” they then want the guns they used in the game. Most didn’t grow up hunting birds in the backyard with a daisy like I did. And most weren’t given a gun for Christmas like I got when I was 10.
When they are old enough to have a big a gun, they have money to do so (if they work) and they want the M4 carbine from “Modern warfare” not the Winchester 94.
I think this is good, provided that they receive proper gun safety training.
Just remember the second amendment is not at all about hunting.

In fairness, I play plenty of Call of Duty. Which, aside from loving history and vintage stuff, is why I bought a M91/30, No. 4, and M1 Garand. My Vietnam-style USGI-parts M14 was a direct result of playing CoD: Black Ops. I still want some of them modern guns cause I like the idea of having the evolution of the infantry rifle over the last century. But I'm more likely to buy something 1960s-70s or earlier than I am to buy something from the last 20 years.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

I’m not going to say that some of my gun purchases were not influenced by movies and video games.

 

[shootist~]

I suspect kids in King Arthur's day (or King James, etc) wanted to be proficient with the latest weaponry as well. Young warriors to be, and the desire to protect home and country, then as now.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I think this discussion has gone off the rails i personally do not have an issue with tactical rifles i carried one for 4 years the point i am trying to make is dressing in tactical gear at the rifle range gives the left wing turds an opportunity to brand shooters as right wing extremists , left wing extremists get a free ride in this country our political system is a mess.

The problem is the left wing media not the guys dressing in tactical gear. Apparently wearing khakis and a a white button down (patriot front) is now a scary white supremist outfit. Also tiki torches...racist. The point I am trying to make is the media will try to frame anything they can to fit a narrative, changing behaviors to appease others sensitivities is not a long term winning strategy.

 

[rdog]

The problem is the left wing media not the guys dressing in tactical gear. Apparently wearing khakis and a a white button down (patriot front) is now a scary white supremist outfit. Also tiki torches...racist. The point I am trying to make is the media will try to frame anything they can to fit a narrative, changing behaviors to appease others sensitivities is not a long term winning strategy.

We have a morning news program in Australia hosted by a arrogant egg headed A-hole more left wing than i can stand,
pushing for more gun control & the climate change agenda at every opportunity & a large
majority of people especially women think he is wonderful. We have had a lot of pro climate change rallies & anti VAXes demonstrations, any group that has any objections to his point of view are labeled as dangerous right extremest groups. the left can do no wrong & are underhandedly supported by the the media.

 

[csmiffy]

Tactical types along with a lot of normals got a massive bloody nose legislation wise when that fooktard shot up the mosque in Christchurch a couple of years back.
Banned all semi-auto centerfires regardless of looks or style, limited shotguns (pump or semi) to factory capacity (well 5 or 6 depending) but all the 8+ stuff goneski. 22's had to have the magazine capacity reduced to 10 so even the old pump and levers that are as slow as a wet week to reload had to be modified. Pump action rifles with a detachable mag are naughty now too.
GOVT (meaning taxpayers) for a period actually paid some firms to do it for you.
Had several buy-back (read confiscation) periods, where you could bring in the offending item for destruction and get some coin back. This applied to shotgun mag extensions, high cap mags, and a bunch of other parts. Looking back it was a dismal failure (cops won't admit that) as they don't know how many are in the country, so this leads to their need for registration.
Strangely enough, there would be a record of firearms brought into the country by dealers but that doesn't suit the narrative
Didn't help our police force which at an organisational level (suspect not helped by the anti-firearms police in Aussie, plus a lot of English police), had a lot of swing with the politicians for a Xmas list.
The scary thing is they have what is called an order-in-council. This is meant to be used for special occasions to help force emergency legislation through without the normal channels.
Guess where some of this has come from and it's still there just in case.
It did us no favours that basically the whole parliament voted in a big chunk of it at the start, they couldn't be seen to advocating this sort of thing.
Still quite a bit going on in the back ground as well
rant over. Wouldnt have minded an (accurate) AR type at some stage but that isn't gonna happen now.

 

[PerH]

In fairness, I play plenty of Call of Duty. Which, aside from loving history and vintage stuff, is why I bought a M91/30, No. 4, and M1 Garand. My Vietnam-style USGI-parts M14 was a direct result of playing CoD: Black Ops. I still want some of them modern guns cause I like the idea of having the evolution of the infantry rifle over the last century. But I'm more likely to buy something 1960s-70s or earlier than I am to buy something from the last 20 years.

I wonder how many who have done the same,only with Red Dead Redemption as their background for interest.

Or in the 70s how many bought the guns from the social commentary movie series, first Dirty Harry then Death Wish .

 

[Safari Dave]

In the USA, we need to stick together and be willing to defend each other!

Whether it be the tweed jacketed upland bird hunters, the SCI folks, the cowboys, hillbillies and rednecks, or the tactical dudes. We are all on the same team.

We have been on "war footing" since 1776 and need to always stay there.

 

[csmiffy]

@Safari Dave I hate to say that this happened just a little in NZ.
Had some of the more classic bolt action rifle clubs stick up for the new legislation as "no one needs those type of firearms". Even a couple of ex military guys at my local clay target club say the same thing.
There was a vicious rumour right at the start that any centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine would be deemed naughty. Thnk there maybe been a capacity of over 6? This would've included all the 303 enfields out there. Have a sneaking suspicion that if this was on the agenda, it got squashed real quick as it would've got the attention of a lot of groups and united rather than divided.
All hearsay and conjecture on this one.
There is a nagging doubt about lever action centerfires. They did come under a magazine capacity restriction but weren't hugely affected. these are the last rapid firing high capacity centerfire here (not counting a well trained guy with a lee enfield of course lol).
Maybe they realised that this would cause a stink too.
Example of fuddery is an older guy at work expressing his views on all the military types that got banned and how we didn't need them etc. My other workmate and I suggested that there was the distinct possibility of lever actions being next. His response was straight from Charlton Heston in the NRA. "if they think they are going to take my 30-30 away from me they have another thing coming".
People don't realise that the antis want them all gone sometimes it takes a few more steps than others.

 

[Ray B]

Divide and Conquer is the battle cry & strategy of the Bolsheviks and it appears a lot of hunters are falling into their trap.

 

[Safari Dave]

I think the shooters in the USA understand this. (for the most part)

We are fortunate in that we have the 2nd amendment to our USA Constitution that gives USA citizens the right to keep and bear firearms.

We also (for the most part) understand that our right to have firearms has nothing to do with having guns for sporting purposes, but has all to do with fighting tyranny and foreign invaders.