Obsession with tactical rifles & equipment

[rookhawk]

I must be lucky
My wife loves the range and shoots as much as I do

You gotta find a new club.

 

[tedthorn]

You gotta find a new club.

Nope....
I much rather hang out with her then anyone else

 

[mark-hunter]

The AR is the most common rifle in America and second most common in the world. The Glock is the most common handgun in the world.

Any man that calls himself a rifleman, should own one and be capable of running it at gunfight speed.

Not completely true.
ar15 (versions of, and automatic) are most common firearms in the armies of western hemisphere. (and another half of the world will be under ak47, and I am not sure which is more noumerus)

In civilian world, only a handful of countries allow ar15 semi auto in civilian ownership.
The world wide reality is that shotguns are most common civilian firearms in civilian posession, followed by some bolt actions. National law restrictions.

Pistols, are not legal in civilian ownership in many countries (including some of western democracies, or heavily restriced there).

Only USA has 2/a. It is special case.
That aside, my personal estimate of a respective countries gun law quality, is the question: if semi auto, ar15 rifle is allowed in civilian ownership, and same for pistols. Really not many countries comply that.

The fact is, despite all the good will, many people are not in position to own ar15, because of their national gun laws.

 

[Randy Bo]

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?​

In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

The data above shows that the anti-gun lobby (if really serious about preventing gun deaths) are going after the wrong type of guns. Why? Because, as we all know, it has never been about gun related deaths, but about taking all of our guns.
No serious discussion should ever be about the gun.
Or the “bubba” wearing camouflage…
Or the “fudd” wearing tweed…
Or the AfricaHunting dude showing up with his safari shirt and pith helmet
I am much more concerned with what is on the inside of the man or woman (law abiding, ethical, responsible and proficient).
Let us not allow the other side to divide and conquer by providing the cracks needed to insert the wedge.

 

[MTA]

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?​

In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

The data above shows that the anti-gun lobby (if really serious about preventing gun deaths) are going after the wrong type of guns. Why? Because, as we all know, it has never been about gun related deaths, but about taking all of our guns.
No serious discussion should ever be about the gun.
Or the “bubba” wearing camouflage…
Or the “fudd” wearing tweed…
Or the AfricaHunting dude showing up with his safari shirt and pith helmet
I am much more concerned with what is on the inside of the man or woman (law abiding, ethical, responsible and proficient).
Let us not allow the other side to divide and conquer by providing the cracks needed to insert the wedge.

Also there is terrible irony in these cultural marxists who will use "save the children" while pushing all manners of degeneration upon those same children. This always boils down to control and full civilian disarmament.

If semi-autos are banned, Grandpa's Win 70 will turn into a "sniper rifle"

 

[rigbymauser]

I generel those in rule doesn’t like those who they rule, they just want their vote first, money later. It will be damned if the subjects is able to fight back.

 

[rookhawk]

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?​

In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

The data above shows that the anti-gun lobby (if really serious about preventing gun deaths) are going after the wrong type of guns. Why? Because, as we all know, it has never been about gun related deaths, but about taking all of our guns.
No serious discussion should ever be about the gun.
Or the “bubba” wearing camouflage…
Or the “fudd” wearing tweed…
Or the AfricaHunting dude showing up with his safari shirt and pith helmet
I am much more concerned with what is on the inside of the man or woman (law abiding, ethical, responsible and proficient).
Let us not allow the other side to divide and conquer by providing the cracks needed to insert the wedge.

I know this sounds sensible, but its actually a symptom of just how liberal the country has become.

Should everyone here support the 2nd amendment to its fullest? Yes.

Should support for any cause result in "acceptance and support" for personal views? No.

Is discrimination for any reason other than violating the law be considered "Wrong". No. It is absolutely natural for interest groups, religious groups, homeowners, and anyone else to seek out the like-minded at the exclusion of the not-like-minded.

To put it another way, a club that discriminates against Bubba's with tactical guns refusing to wear tweeds is not a moral shortcoming. That is far different than failing to support the 2nd amendment, even if I don't want every gun owner showing up in my country club.

This is a simple concept but it has been eroded in society to the point where anything but wholeheartedly embracing equal protection and equal justice under the law.

 

[lockingblock]

Despite what the media portrays, America is one of the safest countries in the world.

Crime is largely a product of urban ghetto life. If you live outside one of the major crime filled urban hellscapes like Detroit, Chicago, SE DC, NYC, Miami, LA, Phoenix...and so on, you are safer than most countries in Western Europe.

If you look at it demographically (something the media hates)...unless you are a 13-39 year old black male, your odds of being the victim or involved in a violent crime are super low...on par with W. Europe.

If it was about crime and stopping mass shootings, the simple answer is to target the criminals. Violent crime is committed by a very small % of the population...about 3%. They are primarily multi time felons who are in and out of prison over their life. A simple 3 strikes law would put them in prison for life and crime would go to almost zero in a decade.

 

[Challer]

But they don't want to stop shootings. They need them to rally the base. If they did care at all, CMP would be shut down

 

[Tanks]

Despite what the media portrays, America is one of the safest countries in the world.

Crime is largely a product of urban ghetto life. If you live outside one of the major crime filled urban hellscapes like Detroit, Chicago, SE DC, NYC, Miami, LA, Phoenix...and so on, you are safer than most countries in Western Europe.

If you look at it demographically (something the media hates)...unless you are a 13-39 year old black male, your odds of being the victim or involved in a violent crime are super low...on par with W. Europe.

If it was about crime and stopping mass shootings, the simple answer is to target the criminals. Violent crime is committed by a very small % of the population...about 3%. They are primarily multi time felons who are in and out of prison over their life. A simple 3 strikes law would put them in prison for life and crime would go to almost zero in a decade.

Except in schools, and real mass shootings (not gang fights).

And targeting criminals would not help as all of the firearms were gotten legally either by the shooter or their families.

Do we need a Federal law passed similar to the one that was passed in FL after Parkland? I do not know.

The problem with the laws being proposed by Democrats is that they are very broad and have unintended (or intended) consequences that effect law abiding citizens adversely.

For example the background check law they want is active in CA. If I want my girlfriend to use a shotgun registered to me while I am not with her I have to transfer it to her through an FFL and she can use it after a 10 day waiting period. if I am going hunting and someone's firearm breaks and if I were to loan him a spare one I have for use during the hunt, then we are both breaking the law. It even applies to people's adult children etc.. No one adheres to it, and it is not enforced either. But we are breaking the letter of the CA gun laws on a regular basis.

 

[Hunt anything]

I agree with tanks except the Newtown shooter stole the rifle from his mom before killing her I believe. And the new background check law would have made the CBP agent and the barber he borrowed the gun from an instant felon just like tanks said.

 

[Tanks]

I agree with tanks except the Newtown shooter stole the rifle from his mom before killing her I believe. ...

That's why I said "gotten legally either by the shooter or their families"

 

[Challer]

The fact is, the bill of rights wasn't proposed as rights granted by the government. They we simply observing that these rights are inherent as part of being human.

They certainly intended that citizens could have "weapons of war" whatever that means - along with responsibility and liability for their use. The US in fact relied upon heavily self armed citizens and sailors. Of everyone has the right to defend themselves however they see fit.

High capacity magazines, fully automatic weapons, "assault" weapons, barrel length, age limits, CCW, etc. are all gimmes we conceded thinking that is the last one. Or they are not opposed to hunting (the lie they tell). Nope, they want all guns gone so as to be certain of our compliance with increasingly maoist policy.

A poll this weekend by SPLC (also maoist) suggests 44% of young democratic voters support assignation as a means to further their agenda. 40% of young republican women also support assignation. 53% of republicans and 39% of democrats believe a civil war is inevitable. Call the numbers fake if you will but something is different this time. Cut the numbers in half and it's still a horrible situation.

If they cared, they'd harden schools the same as airports. They'd manage mental issues, ban bullying in schools. Eliminate soft target gun free zones. They certainly wouldn't keep CMP going. They would legalize possession of drugs and eliminate cartels by government distribution of currently illegal drugs. Etc. Lott has proven the laws don't work. It's not the real issue.

They don't care and they want every bullet and gun you have.

 

[shootist~]

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For example the background check law they want is active in CA. If I want my girlfriend to use a shotgun registered to me while I am not with her I have to transfer it to her through an FFL and she can use it after a 10 day waiting period. if I am going hunting and someone's firearm breaks and if I were to loan him a spare one I have for use during the hunt, then we are both breaking the law. It even applies to people's adult children etc.. No one adheres to it, and it is not enforced either. But we are breaking the letter of the CA gun laws on a regular basis.

That's just harassment, not gun control. Aka, horshshit.

 

[Tanks]

That's just harassment, not gun control. Aka, horshshit.

Welcome to my world. CA is also the only State where one has to buy ammo from an FFL after a background check.

They are passing a whole slew of new laws after Uvalde. Some are no gun shows on State owned property, adding onerous record keeping requirements for FFLs so only big companies will be able to afford to sell guns (passing costs to customers), adding FFL requirement to gun parts etc., etc..

As it is I can not buy any semi-auto handgun manufactured in the last decade or so due to micro-stamping requirements. Your favorite VP Kamala Harris actually certified that the technology exists for that.

 

[Spartan5]

@Tanks it sounds like you need to get the F our of Commie-fornia!!

 

[Newboomer]

That's just harassment, not gun control. Aka, horshshit.

That's the name of the game. Pick, pick, keep coming up with this senseless garbage just to keep everyone on edge. They know damn well it can't be enforced and they don't try. Just hope we honest people will "obey the law".

 

[Puddle]

No you are not out of touch. And its not just kids either. The average shooter is the U.S. does not hunt. We hunters are far outnumbered by shooters that would never buy walnut and blue. We hunters are outnumbered by about 7 or 8 to 1. ...

I've come around to agreeing with that. I am out at the range weekly practicing from sticks, off-hand, and from the knee. Invariably I'm asked 2 questions by people curious about what I'm up to:

"Whatcha doin'?" "I'm staying in practice for my next hunt". "Oh, I only shoot here."

"Whatcha shootin'?" "I'm shooting the 9.3x62mm." "What's that?" "It's a .366 cartridge". "Huh, never heard of it". "Yea, I know".

I'm thinking of having a big cardboard whiteboard printed with the 2 things I get asked and simply set it up behind me at the range. That should cut down on the interruptions.

 

[sierraone]

I've come around to agreeing with that. I am out at the range weekly practicing from sticks, off-hand, and from the knee. Invariably I'm asked 2 questions by people curious about what I'm up to:

"Whatcha doin'?" "I'm staying in practice for my next hunt". "Oh, I only shoot here."

"Whatcha shootin'?" "I'm shooting the 9.3x62mm." "What's that?" "It's a .366 cartridge". "Huh, never heard of it". "Yea, I know".

I'm thinking of having a big cardboard whiteboard printed with the 2 things I get asked and simply set it up behind me at the range. That should cut down on the interruptions.

I know exactly what you mean.