New USA requirements in addition to the form 4457

[JGRaider]

Robert, I think you are providing a great service to your customers, as I've stated before. This is not a slam at you in any way, so please take no offense. Your service is for your customers only. Many of us are not your customers for valid reasons, such as my situation where I'm going on a cull/management hunt in which there will no trophies coming home this time. I still need an ITN number, and since you don't do that for non customers I will have to go elsewhere. I think you will admit this is a good way for you to gather more business, and I don't blame you one bit for promoting it. I think Coppersmith's, Travel with Guns, Gracy, etc are providing a valuable service as well in securing the ITN's for their customers, even if there is small fee for it.

I can tell you though, if you find the right customs office/agent who is willing to help, you can get them to get your ITN # without having to go through the EIN BS. Most of these gov't dolts aren't willing to help though.

 

[Red Leg]

Hi Red Leg…I am curious as to why you believe I was a bit harsh….I thought about this all day as my intent is not to offend, but to educate. I either was not clear or you misunderstood. Your comparison, by bringing up the name of a travel agent in this discussion is clearly incorrect. 1) The travel agent collects your information and provides the service of finding you a ticket based on your criteria with the responsibility of getting you to and from your destination 2) The meet and greet business is the service that clears your firearms upon arrival to the foreign country with the responsibility of making sure your firearms travel with the appropriate government approvals 3) We provide the service of being your personal importer from the minute you book the hunt until your trophies are in your game-room with the responsibility of legally stepping into your shoes for all importing matters including clearing the trophies. 4) A regular broker is a person who is licensed by the government to clear your trophies leaving the responsibility you, the hunter to make sure all is correct. Most brokers are NOT hunters or active in the hunting industry so it is important for you to be properly informed.

Who are the ‘real bad guys’? The government imposing these gun control laws under the disguise of requiring an ITN filing every time you leave the US with your firearms now. My point is that it took this situation to cause yet another way to make money by charging for a filing when the filing requires no fee…why?....because brokers have no ‘skin in the game’ and are exploiting a government imposed situation to make money.

Thank you for the opportunity to explain.
Robert

Maybe I am dense, but they are offering exactly the same service as any meet and greet agent. I can stand in line and work my on SAPs forms at J'burg or I can pay a couple of hundred bucks for a service which takes that out of my jet-lagged hands.

I agree that the real culprit is a stupid filing requirement. But I in no way blame an entrepreneur for offering a service to take that personal worry off the table for a reasonable fee.

 

[brushmore]

I thought the fees being charged by the importers were maybe a bit unreasonable. That was until I went through the entire process myself to get my ITN. After that the prices didn't look so bad at all!

 

[robertq]

JGRaider
Yes I understand your situation , it's not vanilla ice cream all the time....

 

[gillettehunter]

Miracles actually do happen. I just got a call from one of the office staff in Rep Cynthia Lumis's office. I had sent a e-mail to them when this nightmare started. Interesting that they cared enough to call me about it. He said basically for the time being we have to live it. They can eventually tie their hands by not appropriating any budget to implement this. He told me 3 times they had been in contact with SCI and were working with them on this. Because its a Presidential order it can't simply be repealed. Going to take some time before this goes away, if it does. I leave in May and looks like I'll need to do the paperwork....... Bruce

 

[JGRaider]

JGRaider
Yes I understand your situation , it's not vanilla ice cream all the time....

I'm well aware of that. I own and operate a few businesses myself.

 

[tarbe]

Miracles actually do happen. I just got a call from one of the office staff in Rep Cynthia Lumis's office. I had sent a e-mail to them when this nightmare started. Interesting that they cared enough to call me about it. He said basically for the time being we have to live it. They can eventually tie their hands by not appropriating any budget to implement this. He told me 3 times they had been in contact with SCI and were working with them on this. Because its a Presidential order it can't simply be repealed. Going to take some time before this goes away, if it does. I leave in May and looks like I'll need to do the paperwork....... Bruce

Just make sure you have your pop-up blocker turned off when you are on the AES site and are trying to submit your EEI!

 

[JimP]

OK, here is a new one on the import and export of our hunting firearms.

My hunting partner just got a email from his importer which told him to print and fill out US Customs Form 4455 and then take it down to his local customs office with his rifle for them to fill out the rest. I looked but didn't see any place for a ITN # and is just ask what item you are planing on exporting for use abroad.

So is this what some of you are getting when you go down to the local customs agents?

I'm taken care of since I am a customer of Robert at SSI but my hunting partner isn't. He did mention to me that he wasn't going to worry about it but I told him that if he wants his rifle back when we come home he might worry a little.

 

[tarbe]

OK, here is a new one on the import and export of our hunting firearms.

My hunting partner just got a email from his importer which told him to print and fill out US Customs Form 4455 and then take it down to his local customs office with his rifle for them to fill out the rest. I looked but didn't see any place for a ITN # and is just ask what item you are planing on exporting for use abroad.

So is this what some of you are getting when you go down to the local customs agents?

I'm taken care of since I am a customer of Robert at SSI but my hunting partner isn't. He did mention to me that he wasn't going to worry about it but I told him that if he wants his rifle back when we come home he might worry a little.

It appears most of the agents in the field are not aware of this new requirement until after a hunter comes in to their shop asking questions about it.

The ITN is sent via email. I printed the email and will have it with my other paperwork. There is no place on the 4457 for the ITN.

I have been told by a gent in D.C. that the ITN will eventually replace the 4457...ie we will go all on-line/automated. No more form 4457 getting signed/stamped.

Who knows? It's the bureaucrats at it again.

 

[billc]

I am just going to wait and see how it works out. I don't go back to Africa till 2016 though and hope it all works out by then.

As for guys making money on the service of getting the number for guys. Everyone of them has there angle on why they do it and everyone is to make money. Good for all who can make a dime to fix a problem that our Gov. made for us all. Maybe it is just me but I would rather do all the paperwork that I can on my own and use the money saved to hunt another animal.

This maybe one more hoop to jump through but I never found doing my own paperwork and getting my guns cleared to be that hard. Some people need help so a service to help them is good for them.

 

[Royal27]

Some people need help so a service to help them is good for them.

And some need help to make sure they don't run away from a dangerous animal, like a giraffe. And for that we have @Paw Print !!!



That one just never gets old....

 

[billc]

And some need help to make sure they don't run away from a dangerous animal, like a giraffe. And for that we have @Paw Print !!!



That one just never gets old....

But I got my giraffe and you don't. haha this is you still trying to get the ok to take one

 

[lcq]

I am just going to wait and see how it works out. I don't go back to Africa till 2016 though and hope it all works out by then.

As for guys making money on the service of getting the number for guys. Everyone of them has there angle on why they do it and everyone is to make money. Good for all who can make a dime to fix a problem that our Gov. made for us all. Maybe it is just me but I would rather do all the paperwork that I can on my own and use the money saved to hunt another animal.

This maybe one more hoop to jump through but I never found doing my own paperwork and getting my guns cleared to be that hard. Some people need help so a service to help them is good for them.

Paperwork and fees are how the anti-gun/hunting crowd stop new people taking up the sport. They are trying to kill off the babies, how sick is that

 

[Royal27]

But I got my giraffe and you don't. haha this is you still trying to get the ok to take one

Wait a minute bill, this isn't supposed to be about me.... LOL

Paperwork and fees are how the anti-gun/hunting crowd stop new people taking up the sport. They are trying to kill off the babies, how sick is that

I don't know that I agree with this. If paperwork and fees were what they used to get rid of things then the IRS would have managed to get rid of taxes long ago! Along with everything else the government gets involved in. Don't get me wrong, I hate this, but I just think it is more of an example of bureaucracy gone amuck than part of a nefarious plan to get rid of shooting sports by making it hard on a small minority within the sport.

 

[JimP]

Royal, the form that I was referring to is 4455 and not the 4457. That is what I was wondering about on those that have just gone to their customs agent and were given a number or something.

Form 4455 has a check box that you can declare a item that you are going to "Use Abroad" and then bring home.

But as I was saying it is a form that was provided to my hunting partner by his importer that he is going to use for his trophies.

If the government keeps it up they are going to have us as confused and they are.

 

[Royal27]

If the government keeps it up they are going to have us as confused and they are.

Completely agree. It is a mess and getting worse!!! And by IT I mean all government regulation and forms.

 

[lcq]

Wait a minute bill, this isn't supposed to be about me.... LOL



I don't know that I agree with this. If paperwork and fees were what they used to get rid of things then the IRS would have managed to get rid of taxes long ago! Along with everything else the government gets involved in. Don't get me wrong, I hate this, but I just think it is more of an example of bureaucracy gone amuck than part of a nefarious plan to get rid of shooting sports by making it hard on a small minority within the sport.

I beg to differ but the US bureaucracy is overwhelmingly Democrat like our Canadian one is Liberal. The notion of a non partisan public service died many years ago. I do agree that bureaucrats are empire building nest featherers but their political agendas are transparent. Just look at how difficult they made it on our Conservative government to pass any legislation, particularly gun legislation. I worked for the feds for 30 years and Conservatives are a species at risk in government.

 

[Royal27]

We are saying the same basic thing, just in slightly different ways.

 

[lcq]

We are saying the same basic thing, just in slightly different ways.

agreed. Unfortunately up here we have evidence of nefarious plans to get rid of shooting sports and guns in general by bureaucrats with an agenda.

 

[robertq]

Here is the reason the new gun law came into affect......
In 2012 Hilary proposed a bill that the UN will take over all gun control for the USA...
It was SHOT down....
So Barry signed an executive order affecting the existing commercial export firearm law (CFR Regulations noted in ICE letter) that has been in affect for quite sometime.
Therefore, the commercial system is being manipulated to accept your EIN number, created to be a 'business' that must be used to get the ITN Filing required for the temporary export of your firearms. That is why you have to file an EIN# and you have NO business......
Also an executive order CANNOT be overturned until he leaves office..... (Wish he left in 2008 )....
So with all this filing and jumping through hoops, the government has its first steep in gun control.
1) The 4457 is proof of ownership, you need it to come back into the US and to enter Africa..... So don't loose because they won't replace it down the road...
2) The 4457 is not in ANY computer, it is a hand written paper and stamped by customs.
3) Now with the EIN# and the ITN# they KNOW you have a gun and its make, model, and SN......