Is Blaser Trying To Price Themselves Out Of The American Market???

[Daisy]

Sigh. I said that I own them. I even posted a picture of my DDM4 so equipped. I will also agree a lot of the cheaper massed produced rifles are now threaded - anything to sell one more. I just don't see any use for one hunting big game in most of North or South America or Africa. I can't imagine having one on a rifle I am carrying while trying to walk down a buffalo or eland through thick Caprivi thorn, Zim mopani, or the Zambezi Delta; or climbing three or four ridges looking for an elk or muley; or hauling one up a mountain after a sheep or a goat. I am quite confident I am pretty good company in that opinion - the company of very serious shooters and hunters.

You didn't answer my question @Daisy. How many different outfitters, PHs, and countries have you experienced in Africa? If not personal experience, what do you base your assertions upon?

My disagreement with you is that "most" PH's use them. I agreed with you that they seem to have become common in much of the South African Lodge hunting environment. I admitted that I have rarely hunted that environment - most recently was four years ago (though neither my PH nor those who worked for him used cans ) - and I am unlikely to do so again (its a fence thing). But there is a whole lot of Africa besides the RSA. You could travel a lot of Mozambique, Northern Namibia, Zambia, Tanzania and Zimbabwe and search a very long time before finding a suppressor in use.

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You are still just as wrong as you were about most African PHs which is where all this starte

Well. At least we are both wrong. Feels like a win to me. I am wrong all the time.

 

[Daisy]

GRS is a lot of stock for the money.

I have the grs. It cracked using my 375 and had to get it repaired.

Great long range stock with my 6.5 and 338. But its heavy

 

[Altitude sickness]

Yeah it’s more of PRS stock

 

[Daisy]

shot my Blaser r8 with grs stock and 6.5prc barrel cut at 20.5” today. Used a banish 30 gold suppressors. Terminal ascent ammo with 3000 fps on the box.

Got 2915 average out of chrono. Was about 15fps increase in velocity with suppressor than without.

Was some smooth shooting.

 

[mdwest]

20% or a bit less would be my guess for Texas for instance. That would go up dramatically if pigs were included.

I think those numbers are probably pretty close statewide.. but might actually be a little inflated.. theyre definitely high for the East TX crowd I run around and hunt with..

I hunt with a fairly large number of people annually in TX.. to my knowledge I am the ONLY person currently using a suppressor among the guys I hunt with at my lease, the guys I do a couple of "veterans" hunts with each year, and the other guys I do occasional hunts with on other properties... (Id guess we're talking 25-30 people.. so less than 4% using them among my particular crowd in TX for deer/antelope/whatever)...

but the numbers among that same group when we add in pigs and their dedicated pig rifles (most shoot some sort of AR platform).. goes up dramatically.. I'd estimate a full 50% of the guys (same people/groups that I deer hunt with) have suppressors for their pig guns (as well as some sort of thermal or NV)..

My "deer" rifle that is suppressed is a bit unorthodox.. I completely agree with you in that the last thing I would want to do is hang some 7-8" long suppressor off the end of a 23" (or longer) barreled rifle.. and then try to maneuver in and out of one of my blinds with it...

My "suppressed" deer rifle really isnt all that quiet to be honest.. its a 18" barreled Rem 600.. with a little 4.8" "K" can screwed onto the end of it.. so.. barrel and suppressor combined is just under 23" (pretty typical deer rifle barrel length).. the K can adds just enough weight and sound suppression to make the very light weight and short barreled 308 pleasant to shoot.. without making the rifle so cumbersome or nose heavy that its a PIA to deal with or unwieldy...

Circling back to blaser in hopes of getting things back on target.. while I LOVE a can on my little rifle.. I dont think I'd have any use or desire to screw a can (K or otherwise) onto a full length/sized rifle for the purpose of hunting in NA... to include a blaser..

I've shot a couple of different suppressed rifles in the pursuit of plains game (a 243, 7x57, and a 30-06 at different times).. and found some benefit in having the suppressor present.. and it wasnt too much of a challenge to deal with on sticks...

but for a western US spot and stalk.. or a southern US blind type hunt... despite being a BIG fan of suppressors.. I dont think I want one on a full size rifle..

 

[R eight]

Regarding the price of Blasers. Mate bought a new Blaser R8 this week with an extra barrel, Blaser scope and mounts. Cost around AUD$11K. That’s around USD$7k.

That’s a fair few dollars but it’s not outrageous.

Regarding suppressors.

Pretty much impossible to own one legally here in Queensland. But I reckon horses for courses. Even if they were free I wouldn’t install one on one of my Rigbys. I probably wouldn’t want to use one on a lot of hunts. But I would love to have one on at least on .22 RF and on at least one 223 and or 308 barrel for hunting and or shooting in the more populated areas where noise is an issue for some.

And…. I’m surprised that I haven’t seen any Kiwis posting about suppressors. Maybe they are trying to keep the post on topic? Anyway I reckon every second Kiwi has a can sitting on their barrels over there.

Anyway. I don’t know how Blaser can make such great products for soo cheap.

 

[Daisy]

Yeah it’s more of PRS stock

Yours looks like the synthetic bifrost. I like it and when I find a good deal on one I think I will switch from the sporter to that one.

 

[smp005]

Yours looks like the synthetic bifrost. I like it and when I find a good deal on one I think I will switch from the sporter to that one.

Mine is the Bifrost.. It is bit heavy - perfect for PRS and long range hunting as long as you don’t have to carry it up the mountain

 

[smp005]

Regarding the price of Blasers. Mate bought a new Blaser R8 this week with an extra barrel, Blaser scope and mounts. Cost around AUD$11K. That’s around USD$7k.

That’s a fair few dollars but it’s not outrageous.

Regarding suppressors.

Pretty much impossible to own one legally here in Queensland. But I reckon horses for courses. Even if they were free I wouldn’t install one on one of my Rigbys. I probably wouldn’t want to use one on a lot of hunts. But I would love to have one on at least on .22 RF and on at least one 223 and or 308 barrel for hunting and or shooting in the more populated areas where noise is an issue for some.

And…. I’m surprised that I haven’t seen any Kiwis posting about suppressors. Maybe they are trying to keep the post on topic? Anyway I reckon every second Kiwi has a can sitting on their barrels over there.

Anyway. I don’t know how Blaser can make such great products for soo cheap.

Actually 7k for that setup is an exceptionally good price!

 

[R eight]

Actually 7k for that setup is an exceptionally good price!

I agree.

 

[Daisy]

Mine is the Bifrost.. It is bit heavy - perfect for PRS and long range hunting as long as you don’t have to carry it up the mountain

No telling how much this rig ways with the thermal and suppressor on it. Ha. It sits on a tripod thank goodness.

 

[Daisy]

Speaking of suppressors. I went by and checked out the 416 suppressor j sipp built for me. It’s a beast. He added an additional muzzle brake on end of suppressor. Excited to see how much recoil reduction I get. It’s over the barrel/reflex so only 4 inches sits in front of the barrel, plus length of the brake. The brake screws off if I don’t want to run it.

Its serial number is 000001. Haha

 

[Red Leg]

Speaking of suppressors. I went by and checked out the 416 suppressor j sipp built for me. It’s a beast. He added an additional muzzle brake on end of suppressor. Excited to see how much recoil reduction I get. It’s over the barrel/reflex so only 4 inches sits in front of the barrel, plus length of the brake. The brake screws off if I don’t want to run it.

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Its serial number is 000001. Haha

Your dangerous game PH will love you for the suppressor .............. but that muzzle brake.

Hang on to your seats - we may be about to derail again.

 

[Hogpatrol]

 

[Tra3]

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No telling how much this rig ways with the thermal and suppressor on it. Ha. It sits on a tripod thank goodness.

So now you have to weigh that rifle.

Night shooting practically requires a suppressor. That would be a environment based scenario where suppressors are very common.

In Montana, Minnesota and Idaho. the vast majority of people I come across, or see from a distance, are not using suppressors. I’ve seen them at the shooting range, I just don’t seem them in the field yet.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

As some of you may know, I have owned several and still own a couple Blaser R8 rifles and barrels. So I guess you can mark me down as a fan. I have had good success with them in every aspect. They are accurate, deadly and dependable, for lack of better words. However, I can't help but wonder just how many more price increases are they going to have before they price themselves out of the US market? Thoughts?

#TOBY458
That will be bad news for@BeeMaa because he loves his R8 Barbie rifle. No matter however no matter the price he will find a way to spoil her with extra jewellery like barrels and nice wood.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I was speaking on the phone yesterday with another AH member about buying a Blaser R8 and how to do it and not have to take out a second mortgage. In essence, it's being patient and buying used.

I've bought both new and used but it's been a couple of years since I did so. Looking at prices now I may not have made the same decision today that I did back then. My paycheck has not increased at the same rate of inflation that our nation is experiencing. Let's go Brandon...f'n idiot.

I believe Blaser is adjusting their price according to the rate of inflation and in doing so could be pricing themselves out of the US market. Time will tell. One thing I do know is that once prices go up, they are not likely to come back down.

#BeeMaa
Mate you will have to lavish more love on Barbie and buy her some lovely spare parts so she lasts longer. When you use her do you have to wear her favourite Cologne you know Hoppes No 9.
We are being subjected to the same inflation in Australia. Even your basic Remington has skyrocketed in price here
Bob

 

[Daisy]

Your dangerous game PH will love you for the suppressor .............. but that muzzle brake.

Hang on to your seats - we may be about to derail again.

Haha. I was hoping to get that. I didn’t even know what it was when I first saw that. Ha

 

[VertigoBE]

Always someone who is apparently incapable of a rational contribution, so they decide to make it personal.

Of course the higher end UK houses make rifles that are compatible. They are, duh, UK based and suppressors are pretty much the norm when potting the local fanged deer. They are not the norm hoofing the hills of Scotland for a red stag.

It has nothing to do with class and everything to do with the environment in which the hunt takes place.

In my own experience hunting deer in Scotland, 5 or 6 times now, I’ve never seen a Stalker carry a rifle without a suppressor.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

So now you have to weigh that rifle.

Night shooting practically requires a suppressor. That would be a environment based scenario where suppressors are very common.

In Montana, Minnesota and Idaho. the vast majority of people I come across, or see from a distance, are not using suppressors. I’ve seen them at the shooting range, I just don’t seem them in the field yet.

Maybe I am missing something why would be a requirement for night hunting? I know of a lot of dead leopard & hyena that might disagree with you.

By the way suppressors are illegal in Zimbabwe, does that mean no night hunting. I certainly do not think I am disadvantaged by not having a suppressor on my pre war Rigby .416.

Lon