Is Blaser Trying To Price Themselves Out Of The American Market???

[Altitude sickness]

I was just corrected that my experience is not Universal. point of impact changes all over the map not always high like I have experienced

 

[Red Leg]

I thought there were enough replies showing how wrong you were to calm you down. Guess not.

The only reply in whole thread not polite was you telling me “I don’t think I will let you lecture me.”

It’s fine to lose an argument. Teaches character.

You are still just as wrong as you were about most African PHs which is where all this started.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

So what I'm saying is, you sound like a braggart.

 

[UpNorthMI]

ABsuppressor raptor. Absolutely fantastic can that has many length options.

There is a direct mount, 3”, and 5” reflex portion. Then you can choose actual extended can length. Have options up to 375, which is what I have.

Raptor — AB Suppressor

The Raptor uses spiral shaped baffles to keep the gasses moving while reducing back pressure. Utilizing the Reflex mounting systems greatly increases the suppressor volume without increasing the overall length of the firearm.

www.absuppressor.com

Many thanks for the info. I think you just spent some of my money, thanks for the details.

 

[UpNorthMI]

Looks like Blaser already has their own suppressor, another expensive accessory ... lol

 

[Red Leg]

We use them regularly in Wyoming on back country mountain game. Wyoming made suppressor use legal for big game around 2016 if I remember so many didn't own them prior. Since they were legalized for hunting they have flown off the shelves, I can't go to the range without seeing someone with a can.

A good titanium suppressor is only 6oz and 5" in length. Cut off 4" of barrel and weigh it, probably about the same or more.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/ultra-5

I have more short 5-6" suppressors than anything, they're not long and cumbersome like you imagine and I'm not looking for the quietest either. A 5" Thunderbeast is in the high 130 decibel range, very pleasant but not super quiet, but It's pleasant to shoot.

5" can on a 20" 6mm Creedmoor
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I've done a lot of precision rifle shooting and have multiple rifles with quick change barrels, I've experimented with many barrel lengths and calibers and the velocity difference from a 24" barrel to a 20" barrel is on average less than 100fps on most calibers. I much prefer shorter barrels on my rifles now a days.

The Mule Deer in my avatar was shot with a 24" 6.5saum with a Surefire SOCOM suppressor attached, the hike in was approx 3 miles so nothing outrageous. It is quick detach so I would detach it and throw it in my pack until needed. The Surefire was one of my first cans, at 9" and 17oz is was a pig but I was happy to lug it around. Since then I've moved to the short light stuff, in the suppressor world they call them "K" cans for Kurz of course.

The deer below was shot 12 miles deep with a suppressed 300 Norma, I packed him out 12 miles in the dark getting to the trailhead in the morning, the suppressor was the least of my worries with an entire deer boned out in my pack and in Grizz country.
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Thanks. Really appreciate the reply. Pretty sure I would never carry one in a pack back until I was ready to employ it, but an over barrel titanium would be useful. If you are going to use a suppressor for everything, you really might look into a R8 (to bring this derailment back a little). The trigger and action design puts the trigger guard beneath the magazine saving around three inches of barrel length.

Your comment that you can't go to the range without seeing a can in use is true about everywhere I have been as well the last five years. I would guess 80% of those were on AR platforms of one type or another. Half the remainder were pseudo-military look I'm a sniper rigs. And the remainder were what I would call useful hunting rifles. From those observations, it would be a bit of a step for me to conclude that almost everyone was using one during hunting season. Particularly since the majority of the shooters at the range were not using one on anything.

But I have no quibble that you and your colleagues are using them successfully. I would wager a pretty big mortgage payment, that big game hunting use of suppressors in the US doesn't yet amount to 20% of those hunters actually afield. I could be totally wrong about that. Stepping back from your immediate circle, what would you guess the percentage is in Wyoming using them afield for big game? 20% or a bit less would be my guess for Texas for instance. That would go up dramatically if pigs were included.

But I do believe, as they get smaller and lighter (an over barrel titanium makes all kinds of sense) they will gradually become ever more popular simply because they are so effective in preventing hearing damage. Obviously, their use and popularity are growing exponentially as well despite cost and registration road blocks.

I appreciate the dialogue.

And @UpNorthMI I'll be damned if one of my Blasers is going to wear one of those big ugly things no matter how effective it might be.

 

[112Savage]

After handling the new beretta straight pull rifle as well as the savage impulse, they aren’t in the same league as far as fit/finish/feel compared to the Blaser and ROLS. The beretta has some neat features for lefties like me, but it just felt too… plastic. The Blaser is more “luxury”, it is better in design and feel, therefore, it should cost more.

From a suppressor standpoint, I had my 30-06 Blaser threaded and think all rifles should be threaded. All of my suppressors weigh less than 16oz and are less than 7.5” long. The one I like the most is 5.5” and weighs 9oz. I’m also looking at the AB suppressor 8 stack with the 3” reflex. Yes I do hunt with suppressors and have a hunt planned in the west Texas mountains in October.

 

[Red Leg]

After handling the new beretta straight pull rifle as well as the savage impulse, they aren’t in the same league as far as fit/finish/feel compared to the Blaser and ROLS. The beretta has some neat features for lefties like me, but it just felt too… plastic. The Blaser is more “luxury”, it is better in design and feel, therefore, it should cost more.

From a suppressor standpoint, I had my 30-06 Blaser threaded and think all rifles should be threaded. All of my suppressors weigh less than 16oz and are less than 7.5” long. The one I like the most is 5.5” and weighs 9oz. I’m also looking at the AB suppressor 8 stack with the 3” reflex. Yes I do hunt with suppressors and have a hunt planned in the west Texas mountains in October.

I would be genuinely curious what your guide (assuming your hunt is outfitted) says is the percentage of suppressed rifles showing up these days. Again, for a dedicated suppressed hunting rifle, the R8 would seem a near perfect choice.

 

[Wade J VanGinkel]

On the public land that I deer hunt here in Colorado I see on average 10 other hunters per day. I've seen 1 suppressor being used so far. I've heard of a couple other guys using them but that's all I've physically seen so far.

 

[375Ruger416]

I’m more interested in the pros/cons of suppressors than how common they are. I honestly don’t care if most people or more PH’s use them or not. All I care about is whether they are legal and their benefits/downsides. And, honestly, I am interested in the points people on this site make for and against.

For my 375, I picked a Blaser in a synthetic stock in a traditional caliber (H&H) over a ‘classic’ wood stocked CRF based on feedback from members on this site. I considered a modern 375 like a Ruger, but the advantages of ammo availability swayed me to stick with the classic. I chose a Blaser for the portability advantages when traveling, the shorter length for suppressing was a secondary benefit. Overall, my decisions were based on practical considerations and informed and even altered by input from members on this site.

In any case, I wouldn’t care to run a can on a 26” barreled bolt action. I would also defer or at least discuss it with my guide as to suppress or not suppress. My boys are 6 and 9 and I hope to go hunting with them overseas in the next few years. They go hunting with me now and we all wear electronic hearing protection - a PITA. For hunt enjoyment, ease of communication, to protect my guides/trackers hearing, and to disturb the game less I will use a suppressor if I can.

I enjoy a spirited discussion, but let’s keep in mind that as members of an African hunting site we are a minority of a minority.

As far as cost, the Blasers are expensive, but their advantages are worth it to me. They do seem to be increasing in cost faster than inflation. As much as I admire fine wood and metal engraving, that is not worth it to me on a hunting tool. Lord knows, some of rifles with nice walnut and engravings of lions and buffalo are beautiful, but I can’t see myself spending the money on them because I wouldn’t want to take them afield and scratch or damage them! Probably a character flaw I’ll need to get over.

 

[Hunting Hitman]

Well I’m going to intrude by saying that I hunt with a suppressor when it makes sense and have several R8 barrels that are threaded. The solution is Blasers integrated suppressed full length barrel which I’m told will be available by the end of the year as long as everything goes according to plan. . This was confirmed for me at SCI.

HH

 

[JoninCO]

I love the Blaser platform, I agree that the costs have gotten pretty high but nothing else does exactly what a Blaser R8 does in the US.

There are deals to be had if you're patient, but it isn't a budget firearm for most people by any metric.

I have an R8 with .308 (factory threaded), 9.3x62, 30-06 (also factory threaded), and 375H&H barrels.

If you think they're ridiculous you should price Sauer 404 parts that come from the same parent company, plus the abject lack of parts availability in the US. The new 505 takes Blaser mounts now instead of the SUM system, but they'll probably just raise the price on Blaser mounts another $200.

 

[smp005]

Just a note on the Blaser saddle mounts... Talley makes an excellent pictatinney rail saddle mount for our Blasers now - and it is less $$$ than the actual Blaser mount system. It is fully return to zero - I have tested them extensively..

 

[TOBY458]

Just a note on the Blaser saddle mounts... Talley makes an excellent pictatinney rail saddle mount for our Blasers now - and it is less $$$ than the actual Blaser mount system. It is fully return to zero - I have tested them extensively..

Do you use the rail that takes Talley rings, or cross slot rings?

 

[smp005]

Do you use the rail that takes Talley rings, or cross slot rings?

I use the rail that takes Talley Rings in most cases but I have used the standard cross slot rings as well.. I tested two scopes using Talley quick detach rings and one Talley rail on the same barrel - both scopes retained zero when you swapped scopes on the rail or the scope and rail together...

 

[Forrest Halley]

Just a note on the Blaser saddle mounts... Talley makes an excellent pictatinney rail saddle mount for our Blasers now - and it is less $$$ than the actual Blaser mount system. It is fully return to zero - I have tested them extensively..

Thank you for saving this thread. Between the peacocks and the suppressor derailment I was really regretting pushing the lightning bolt.

I'm actually dreaming about an R8 since my M70 is giving me fits about action length and scope fit. I think it would need to have a threaded barrel too. I do not enjoy less noise and absolutely none of the advantages that don't come along
with that.

 

[smp005]

Thank you for saving this thread. Between the peacocks and the suppressor derailment I was really regretting pushing the lightning bolt.

I'm actually dreaming about an R8 since my M70 is giving me fits about action length and scope fit. I think it would need to have a threaded barrel too. I do not enjoy less noise and absolutely none of the advantages that don't come along
with that.

LOL! I have a gunroom full of rifles and with the exception of my double rifle, I hunt exclusively with my R8s now.. Call me a Blaser fanboy if you wish, but I absolutely love them! I have recently built up my long range hunting R8: 300 WM, GRS Stock and a Swarm DS scope.. This is my Tajikistan rifle for this coming December..

 

[375Ruger416]

Love me some GRS stocks - even though I don’t have any. A nice pepper laminated stock would look great on my Blaser R8 for long range shooting! I have some Norwegian ancestry on both sides, so GRS being made in Norway has some appeal too.

 

[smp005]

Love me some GRS stocks - even though I don’t have any. A nice pepper laminated stock would look great on my Blaser R8 for long range shooting! I have some Norwegian ancestry on both sides, so GRS being made in Norway has some appeal too.

The fit and the way your hand aligns is amazing! I also have the Blaser Professional stock but the GRS is even better....

 

[Altitude sickness]

GRS is a lot of stock for the money.