Can we please stop talking about "flat shooting" cartridges

[colorado]

From the Sierra Reloading Manual for my 270 Weatherby. One hell of a varmint load.

90

Sierra HP

IMR

IMR-4831

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3868

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

 

[thriller]

Ron Spomer is a sorry excuse for an expert in my book. He can’t handle even mild recoil so makes absurd recommendations of small calibers as a result.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Ron Spomer is a sorry excuse for an expert in my book. He can’t handle even mild recoil so makes absurd recommendations of small calibers as a result.

@thriller you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Gun writers like Spomer, Boddington, etc. seem to have a love/hate relationship with a lot of folks. Spomer does have over 400,000 subscribers to his YouTube channel, so he must be doing something right. I've only watched a few of his videos, but I like that fact that he backs up his stated opinion with facts and data.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

>200 yards = shooting
<100 yards = hunting

Elementary mathematics

 

[thriller]

@thriller you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Gun writers like Spomer, Boddington, etc. seem to have a love/hate relationship with a lot of folks. Spomer does have over 400,000 subscribers to his YouTube channel, so he must be doing something right. I've only watched a few of his videos, but I like that fact that he backs up his stated opinion with facts and data.

I mean lots of people enjoy shooting deer where larger calibers are not needed. I am just saying that that man should stick to reviewing what he can handle and not offer opinions on larger rounds he cannot handle. If I want to learn what 22 caliber can best be used for deer I’ll look Ron up. Also the kardashians have millions of followers and aren’t doing anything “right” so I am not really concerned what YouTube thinks.

 

[Inline6]

>200 yards = shooting
<100 yards = hunting

Elementary mathematics

That is BS, why say that when you yourself have already admitted to shooting animals further than 200 yards. You and people like you forget very easily what happens in the field. You obviously have never hunted Coues deer, or Marko Pollo Sheep amongst others . You're allowed to have your opinions, just don't twist it like we have never read what you have written here.

 

[steve white]

So, after 24 pages, can we determine that: A. flat shooters could go bra-less and no one would notice, while, B. others pretty much need a support bra? (esp. magnums, or those that hold 30 clips)

 

[Ontario Hunter]

That is BS, why say that when you yourself have already admitted to shooting animals further than 200 yards. You and people like you forget very easily what happens in the field. You obviously have never hunted Coues deer, or Marko Pollo Sheep amongst others . You're allowed to have your opinions, just don't twist it like we have never read what you have written here.

Oh yes indeed. I shot my second kudu at 440 yards. I shot it. That's it. Big deal. No real hunting was involved. I once shot a bull moose in its bed in thick tag alders at less than twenty yards. Probably less than fifteen yards. And a few hours after two other guys had shot his buddy. That required some genuine stalking skill. Getting within sixty yards of my Cape buffalo bull bedded almost in the open in a clump of acacia required some skill. We crawled part of the 300 yards on all fours. Then shooting that bull through both lungs on the run was no small hunting achievement. Killing the kudu looking at us from the next zip code just doesn't compare. Meah.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

>200 yards = shooting
<100 yards = hunting

Elementary mathematics

So what is 100 to 200 yards? Advanced math?

 

[WAB]

Oh yes indeed. I shot my second kudu at 440 yards. I shot it. That's it. Big deal. No real hunting was involved. I once shot a bull moose in its bed in thick tag alders at less than twenty yards. Probably less than fifteen yards. And a few hours after two other guys had shot his buddy. That required some genuine stalking skill. Getting within sixty yards of my Cape buffalo bull bedded almost in the open in a clump of acacia required some skill. We crawled part of the 300 yards on all fours. Then shooting that bull through both lungs on the run was no small hunting achievement. Killing the kudu looking at us from the next zip code just doesn't compare. Meah.

There’s a big difference in expressing opinions to pass along knowledge, and expressing opinions to belittle and insult others. We generally to to stick to the former.

 

[MS 9x56]

So what is 100 to 200 yards? Advanced math?

No just the difference between a good hunter and one that is not so good.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

Oh yes indeed. I shot my second kudu at 440 yards. I shot it. That's it. Big deal. No real hunting was involved. I once shot a bull moose in its bed in thick tag alders at less than twenty yards. Probably less than fifteen yards. And a few hours after two other guys had shot his buddy. That required some genuine stalking skill. Getting within sixty yards of my Cape buffalo bull bedded almost in the open in a clump of acacia required some skill. We crawled part of the 300 yards on all fours. Then shooting that bull through both lungs on the run was no small hunting achievement. Killing the kudu looking at us from the next zip code just doesn't compare. Meah.

Uh...No. In the chaparral of Northern California you can rarely see a blacktail buck at 50 yards even if you could manage to get that close. Climbing to the top of a ridge quietly enough and spotting a deer standing or seeking through the incredibly dense brush across the canyon and then taking him cleanly at 300 yards is true hunting. Taking one that happens to blunder into a crossing on a two track at 50 yards where you happen to be is just luck and fast shooting. I have taken bucks under both circumstances and being able to find the deer and place the shot is real hunting. In Africa, tracking and stalking to within 50 yards of a cape buffalo bull is real hunting. I've done that twice. Shooting a whitetail from a blind that comes into a feeder at 50 yards requires patience, but I don't really think of it as hunting. Now try pronghorns. The biggest one I've taken was right about 100 yards, but if you think that you can count on that or that killing one at 300 yards is less about hunting skill, you are mistaken. There's also elk hunting in the mountainous west. Is that only hunting if you kill one at under 100 yards?

Sorry. Your "basic math" equation when applied to all hunting would only seem accurate to the naive and inexperienced.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

No just the difference between a good hunter and one that is not so good.

That would depend on the game and habitat. Not all animals in all circumstances can be taken at less than 100 yards. A really good hunter may still have to shoot further.

 

[Flewis]

When people make blanket statements like that it makes you wonder how many places and how much they have hunted.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

No just the difference between a good hunter and one that is not so good.

So 100 yards is good, but 101 yards is not so good. I wasn't aware of such hard and fast rules. Don't get me wrong, I like to get in close. I have shot and killed elk at less than 100 yards, but also a few at 300 yards (my personal limit to shoot anything).

 

[Wyatt Smith]

One of my favorite deer spots frequently has shots about 160 yards.
Maybe next time I should abandon my cover and stalk 60 yards of a level cut bean field (short as the gras in your lawn).
That way I can be a good hunter.
Edit: I have to use a slug gun or muzzle loader in Illinois, the latter of which can handle that range easily, although it’s about the end of my comfort zone with it.

 

[Doug3006]

I think the only logical response to people who say my hunting is not real hunting is…says who? My 2 longest kills have been at 400 yards. I’m 100% at that range. (Yes, I’ve missed at much closer distances too, sadly.) 400 is about as far as my equipment and skills will allow. Would I take a longer shot? If I knew I was hunting (yes hunting) in terrain that often requires longer shots, I’d acquire the equipment and practice for it.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Oh yes indeed. I shot my second kudu at 440 yards. I shot it. That's it. Big deal. No real hunting was involved. I once shot a bull moose in its bed in thick tag alders at less than twenty yards. Probably less than fifteen yards. And a few hours after two other guys had shot his buddy. That required some genuine stalking skill. Getting within sixty yards of my Cape buffalo bull bedded almost in the open in a clump of acacia required some skill. We crawled part of the 300 yards on all fours. Then shooting that bull through both lungs on the run was no small hunting achievement. Killing the kudu looking at us from the next zip code just doesn't compare. Meah.

@Ontario Hunter
I was out with my son and a mate and spotted a mob of pigs at around 600 yards. We stalked in to around 200 and both mate and son wanted to shoot from there. I said no the winds good so we will stalk in closer. At 20 yards the started shooting, 5 pigs later the action was over. I asked what's better possibly one pig each at 200 or the whole mob at 20. Both agreed the lot at 20. Greg was amazed we got that close but I told him that's what hunting is. Testing you skills to get as close as possible to game.
Yes at times that's not possible and that's where shooting skills comes into play.
To enjoy our lifestyle we need to be both hunters and shooters to enjoy the sport fully.
Bob

 

[rdog]

@Ontario Hunter
I was out with my son and a mate and spotted a mob of pigs at around 600 yards. We stalked in to around 200 and both mate and son wanted to shoot from there. I said no the winds good so we will stalk in closer. At 20 yards the started shooting, 5 pigs later the action was over. I asked what's better possibly one pig each at 200 or the whole mob at 20. Both agreed the lot at 20. Greg was amazed we got that close but I told him that's what hunting is. Testing you skills to get as close as possible to game.
Yes at times that's not possible and that's where shooting skills comes into play.
To enjoy our lifestyle we need to be both hunters and shooters to enjoy the sport fully.
Bob

Yes Bob, with pigs when the wind is in your favour get as close as you can , there eye sight is not good but their sense of smell is very good , we have found that if they are feeding & not facing you it is not hard to get up to may be 40 meters from them if you have some cover, & if they look at you do not move & often they will lose interest . but its much easier shoot before they run so do not try to get closer if they are aware of you.