Best .45 ACP round for black bear protection

[Doug Hamilton]

@calling4life - loved the video but what “animal” attack is that preparing for - a “sparrow”?

I think the next time I have to face a pigeon in full frontal charge mode I will remember this video.

 

[schwerpunkt88]

I always wonder, what kind of bears are better?

 

[Jack Stevens]

Here's a quick watch, this shows you how to practice for defense against an animal.

In Alaska, they practice the “Bear Attack Drill,” set up like so:

As it was explained on another forum:

Setup the Bear Drill:

Set up four to six targets in a staggered pattern, placing the farthest 50 feet downrange and the closest at 5 feet. Also, alter the height at which you position the targets, placing them between 2 ½ to 4 ½ feet above the ground.

You can use IPSC targets or cut out 8-inch circles of cardboard. In either case, put a 2 ½-inch black spot in the center of the target. (This spot represents the bear’s nose, a useful aiming point.)

How to Shoot The Drill:

Move your eyes ahead of your gun and learn to time your shot so the trigger breaks the moment your front sight settles on the black dot. Don’t start and stop the gun in a jerking motion - keep it moving smoothly.

Use a shot timer and start with your firearm at the low ready. Set the timer for 3 seconds. At the sound of the buzzer, bring the gun up to the farthest target and get a sight picture (front sight on black dot).

Whether you pull the trigger is up to you, but either way, quickly transition to the next target and then the next. Keep the gun moving in a smooth back-and-forth motion. Before the 3 seconds are up, you should have taken a sight picture on each target, finishing on the closest one.

One clean hit is better than a bunch of misses, and the drill can be shot with a rifle or a handgun. But if you’re using a handgun, you want to try to get at least THREE good hits in that time frame - the more, the better.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

I always wonder, what kind of bears are better?

Gummis?

 

[Neophyte]

For black bear I’d use Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman.45 ACP +P.
It’ll go through seven meth heads and a station wagon full of nuns so I wouldn’t carry it in town. You’ll want a heavier recoil spring too.

 

[Safari Dave]

I have a friend who had to put one down last year that was coming for him. He was able to do it with a .22 pistol!

 

[Jack Stevens]

I have a friend who had to put one down last year that was coming for him. He was able to do it with a .22 pistol!

 

[Doug Hamilton]

I have a friend who had to put one down last year that was coming for him. He was able to do it with a .22 pistol!

I suppose it's possible that someone had a bear that "was coming for him" and he killed it with a .22 pistol. I would need a lot more details to believe it though.

 

[mgstucson]

Anything can happen once. I have heard of Native Americans who kill bears with 22's, but they stalk up on them hibernating and shoot them in the eye. Even what the guy claims to have done is one more time than I or most of the posters on this thread have shot a bear with a handgun, or even shot at a bear with a handgun. When something is really important, either personally or professionally, and I need to know it, I have always sought out the most experienced person I can find to learn from.

There is a person who has handgun hunted bear, trapped and killed bear professionally for the forestry industry, and professionally guided dozens if not hundreds in hunting bears with handguns in the lower 48. He later professionally guided in AK, and now is a PH in Africa. He has personally killed hundreds, HUNDREDS, of bears with a handgun and seen almost that many killed by others using nearly every reasonable variety of handgun. He has seen them shot with 357, 40S&W, and 45ACP, but he does not recommend any of those calibers with any ammunition for hunting bears, much less stopping bears. They will kill, but a bear may kill your dogs or you while you are waiting for that to happen. A bear can attack, kill, and mame for minutes AFTER being shot through the heart. I have shot deer that jumped strsight up in the air and ran 50 yards after I shot them through both lungs and the heart. Hack recommends the 41mag or 10mm as the marginal starting point for handguns against bears. MUCH better are the 44mag, 454, 480 class of cartridges. He has hunted, guided, and followed up wounded bears lost by other hunters with a 7.5" 44mag SRH. He has also used a S&W 4" Mod. 29, but limited range of shots with the shorter barrel. He claims IMPACT velocity, not MUZZLE velocity, must well exceed 1000fps as a minimum. He says the ultra class is the S&W 500, 460, etc.. Contrary to popular wisdom (and he is personal friends with Randy Garret and has discussed the topic energetically with same), he does not recommend hardcast solids for bear hunting much less bear stopping. Again, they will kill, but take a long time to do it unless you take out the CNS. He recommends and used the 44mag class and up for bear protection on bears up to 500 pounds, not the really big bears, He does not recommend handguns for stopping the big bears, although it can be done with a CNS shot. He says if you can reliably hit a softball bouncing toward you at 30 MPH, then you might want to consider yourself ready to stop a big bear with a handgun. No professionals do with the big bears, although he did as a professional with black bears.

The reason he claims he did use a handgun to reliably stop black bears, and the reason he used heavy, expanding 44mag bullets, not solid hardcast is this. Evidently, when you shoot a black bear with a heavy expanding bullet moving more than 1000fps on impact, the bear with stop or spin, because of the stunning, hydrostatic shock of the impact, enabling you and/or others to get away in a defense only scenario, or better, follow up shots to kill the bear.

Personally, I carry a 4" S&W 500 with heavy hollowpoints at over 1500fps and/or a long gun. It is your hide, and your family, do what you are comfortable with to protect both.

 

[Jack Stevens]

Hack recommends the 41mag or 10mm as the marginal starting point for handguns against bears. MUCH better are the 44mag, 454, 480 class of cartridges. He has hunted, guided, and followed up wounded bears lost by other hunters with a 7.5" 44mag SRH. He has also used a S&W 4" Mod. 29, but limited range of shots with the shorter barrel. He claims IMPACT velocity, not MUZZLE velocity, must well exceed 1000fps as a minimum. He says the ultra class is the S&W 500, 460, etc.. Contrary to popular wisdom (and he is personal friends with Randy Garret and has discussed the topic energetically with same), he does not recommend hardcast solids for bear hunting much less bear stopping. Again, they will kill, but take a long time to do it unless you take out the CNS. He recommends and used the 44mag class and up for bear protection on bears up to 500 pounds, not the really big bears, He does not recommend handguns for stopping the big bears, although it can be done with a CNS shot. He says if you can reliably hit a softball bouncing toward you at 30 MPH, then you might want to consider yourself ready to stop a big bear with a handgun. No professionals do with the big bears, although he did as a professional with black bears.

The reason he claims he did use a handgun to reliably stop black bears, and the reason he used heavy, expanding 44mag bullets, not solid hardcast is this. Evidently, when you shoot a black bear with a heavy expanding bullet moving more than 1000fps on impact, the bear with stop or spin, because of the stunning, hydrostatic shock of the impact, enabling you and/or others to get away in a defense only scenario, or better, follow up shots to kill the bear.

Who is this "Hack" dude?