416 Rigby vs 458 WinMag a civil discussion

[intj]

@michael458's comment regarding the 416:

"And, FYI BTW........ 76-78 inches of penetration in my test medium is the deepest that I have seen regardless of caliber.........."

is similar to what I have seen elsewhere.

I would really like to see a CEB BBW #13 458/500 in Michael's penetration test at velocities up to 2400 fps. Like Michael said, I also don't think his one test is proof that a 416/400 will out penetrate a 458/500. I think at some velocity the 458/500 would penetrate deeper. I have just never seen any evidence of that reported anywhere.

I am sure Michael's response to me would be that since he has already told me that a CEB BBW #13 458/450 perpetrates plenty on elephant and hits harder that a 416, that I can go shoot my own test if I want to see what a 458/500 does at 2400 FPS................................

 

[CZDiesel]

@michael458's comment regarding the 416:

"And, FYI BTW........ 76-78 inches of penetration in my test medium is the deepest that I have seen regardless of caliber.........."

is similar to what I have seen elsewhere.

I would really like to see a CEB BBW #13 458/500 in Michael's penetration test at velocities up to 2400 fps. Like Michael said, I also don't think his one test is proof that a 416/400 will out penetrate a 458/500. I think at some velocity the 458/500 would penetrate deeper. I have just never seen any evidence of that reported anywhere.

I am sure Michael's response to me would be that since he has already told me that a CEB BBW #13 458/450 perpetrates plenty on elephant and hits harder that a 416, that I can go shoot my own test if I want to see what a 458/500 does at 2400 FPS................................

He also went on to say this…

“The CEB and North Fork do react to increased velocity by a good margin. I would not discount that a 400 CEB 416 at 2400 fps might penetrate some deeper than a 500 CEB 458 at 2150 fps? I can't say definitively since I have not tested that exact scenario.”

So as it stands right now no one has shown that the 416 can out penetrate a 458 but everyone has agreed that the 458 will put more energy and drop a dangerous animal faster…

 

[intj]

He also went on to say this…

“The CEB and North Fork do react to increased velocity by a good margin. I would not discount that a 400 CEB 416 at 2400 fps might penetrate some deeper than a 500 CEB 458 at 2150 fps? I can't say definitively since I have not tested that exact scenario.”

So as it stands right now no one has shown that the 416 can out penetrate a 458 but everyone has agreed that the 458 will put more energy and drop a dangerous animal faster…

He said this regarding the 416/400s at 2400 fps out of a 416 Rem in Post 37:

"And, FYI BTW........ 76-78 inches of penetration in my test medium is the deepest that I have seen regardless of caliber.........."

He was talking about the 416/400.

He doesn't have any data showing any other caliber penetrating as deep. None of us have shown that here yet. All we have is speculation by several of us that a 458/500 at 2300-2400 would out penetrate the 416/400.

 

[CZDiesel]

He said this regarding the 416/400s at 2400 fps out of a 416 Rem in Post 37:

"And, FYI BTW........ 76-78 inches of penetration in my test medium is the deepest that I have seen regardless of caliber.........."

He was talking about the 416/400.

He doesn't have any data showing any other caliber penetrating as deep. None of us have shown that here yet. All we have is speculation by several of us that a 458/500 at 2300-2400 would out penetrate the 416/400.

Yes but he didn’t have data on the 458 for it… let’s not turn this into a this for that yeah? As I said it’s inconclusive at this point right?
I know that you are sold on the 416 and it’s a great choice!
But what we have confirmed is that the 458 makes a much bigger impression on game transferring more energy and shock while still penetrating as well or better!
So when you get definitive data that it out penetrates a 458 let me know…