What happened to British gun industry?

[Foxi]

The Guns of August become ever more understandable.

The Guns of August ??
Sorry Red Leg,can' t get the sense of this.
Only know the Iden of March .

 

[HWL]

Well since I don't want a Mannlicher-Schoenauer, that kinda makes things easier, don't it?

Ok, this is a step of mental development, that you haven't done yet.... come to the dark side of the Force.... and touch a Mannlicher-Schoenauer.

HWL

 

[Red Leg]

The Guns of August ??
Sorry Red Leg,can' t get the sense of this.
Only know the Iden of March .

A truly great read. Explains a lot about you Teutons and the Anglo Saxons (with a bit of the Franks, Slavs, and Hungarians thrown into the mix).

The Guns of August (1962), (published in the UK as August 1914), is a volume of history by Barbara W. Tuchman. It is centered on the first month of World War I. After introductory chapters, Tuchman describes in great detail the opening events of the conflict. Its focus then becomes a military history of the contestants, chiefly the great powers.

The Guns of August thus provides a narrative of the earliest stages of World War I, from the decisions to go to war, up until the start of the Franco-British offensive that stopped the German advance into France. The result was four years of trench warfare. In the course of her narrative Tuchman includes discussion of the plans, strategies, world events, and international sentiments before and during the war.

The book was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction for publication year 1963,[1] and proved very popular.

 

[HWL]

But I'm still of the opinion that a very simple extended button on the floorplate catch of a standard Mauser 98 action wouldn't do much harm and would be the best compromise if I desired it. It would only remove the necessity for a tool and would still be far less prone to coming open compared to either the trigger-guard latch or the more common (that I've seen) swinging lever, and wouldn't require anything more than a simple part replacement and could be just as easily removed if I found I didn't care for it.

I am completely with you,...... and FN Herstal also was, and made it exactly this way.

I have two FN Mausers with this feature and it works great.

But to work great does not mean it is idiot proof,..... and this is the problem.

99% of accidential opening floor plates is caused by guys they did not close it properly.

Perhaps it is better for mankind, this guys are eaten by tigers and trampled by elephants.



HWL

 

[WebleyGreene455]

Ok, this is a step of mental development, that you haven't done yet.... come to the dark side of the Force.... and touch a Mannlicher-Schoenauer.

HWL

Well alright, I'll try out your Austro-Hungarian-Greek rifle one day and we'll see how that goes. 9.3x62 Mauser 98 first, though. "Early-20th-century obtainer of rare antiquities" Webley Greene has his preferences (and modern rifle owner does too).

 

[Foxi]

A truly great read. Explains a lot about you Teutons and the Anglo Saxons (with a bit of the Franks, Slavs, and Hungarians thrown into the mix).

The Guns of August (1962), (published in the UK as August 1914), is a volume of history by Barbara W. Tuchman. It is centered on the first month of World War I. After introductory chapters, Tuchman describes in great detail the opening events of the conflict. Its focus then becomes a military history of the contestants, chiefly the great powers.

The Guns of August thus provides a narrative of the earliest stages of World War I, from the decisions to go to war, up until the start of the Franco-British offensive that stopped the German advance into France. The result was four years of trench warfare. In the course of her narrative Tuchman includes discussion of the plans, strategies, world events, and international sentiments before and during the war.

The book was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction for publication year 1963,[1] and proved very popular.

OK, now I'm in the picture.
If you hadn't intervened after April 17, we would have won this war too

 

[Red Leg]

OK, now I'm in the picture.
If you hadn't intervened after April 17, we would have won this war too

I think that is likely true. The Russians were out, and the reinforcements from the east would have been enough to force an armistice with the French and British. Timing is everything. You should have defeated those Slavs a year earlier.

 

[Tanks]

I suppose they didn't have a licence for window-replacement. Can't be going around fixing windows without a licence, you know.

As facetious as this comment is, I am sure there is a lot of truth in it.

Several years ago I was involved in a two year long project in the UK. I had ten employees there and I was going back and forth for meetings with the client and my project manager. During one of those meetings they had an outside contractor inspecting all electrical equipment that was being plugged in. All of our laptops were tagged unsafe (and that was just it, we had to have that red tag on the cord) as we did not have the proper British plug for it.

Imagine having to pay someone to do that. But, that was the law and regulations, most likely enacted to make work for union electricians.

 

[MAdcox]

Easy!! Liberalism has taken a grip of most men's balls and squeezed the masculinity out of them. I'm not saying you have to be a butch man to hunt as there are many nice ladies that hunt too. But I feel the decline of the British gun industry has been due to a drop in demand and that has been due to a massive disconnect between people and where there food comes from. And the ball squeezing thing too.
The British middle class has also become a place where MOST of the men are pussies. I must say I love going to parties and telling them I hunt and see them back down in fear but also an element of disgust. I do make it a point to say the difference is I'm willing to do the dirty work for my meat you just want to by is from a store and not work for it.
This is normally the point when the host tells me I'm upsetting people and tell them its not my fault they have vaginas where their dicks should be

HAHA. Mani, having shared a couple of drinks with you now, I can just imagine you getting wound up at on these type parties. Next year in Dallas, we'll have to go find a good liberal bar after the AH dinner and go to work!

 

[WebleyGreene455]

As facetious as this comment is, I am sure there is a lot of truth in it.

Several years ago I was involved in a two year long project in the UK. I had ten employees there and I was going back and forth for meetings with the client and my project manager. During one of those meetings they had an outside contractor inspecting all electrical equipment that was being plugged in. All of our laptops were tagged unsafe (and that was just it, we had to have that red tag on the cord) as we did not have the proper British plug for it.

Imagine having to pay someone to do that. But, that was the law and regulations, most likely enacted to make work for union electricians.

I was thinking more along the lines of some of the fairly-recent knife legislation they were pushing for (or put through?) where you'd pretty much need to show photo ID and all to buy a spud peeler on account of it "could be used as a weapon". Or how with the COVID-19, some parts of Britain are siccing the police on folks for walking their dog or sitting in a park sunbathing with nobody within at least 20 feet, leading to jokes about "You got a licence for that sunshine, mate?"

Or, of course, the requirement (which may not actually be a requirement?) of having a TV licence to watch live TV or record it, punishable with a up-to-1000GBP fine. And this applies to watching stuff on phones, tablets, all that. Doesn't matter if you watch the BBC's stuff or have... I dunno what, like, HBO Go or Netflix or whatever hoodoo-voodoo you do, streaming services and alternatives to cable and satellite if they're available (I think), no watching TV without a licence. I mean you can watch anyway but you'll be taken to court over it, or with the way things are going now might be fully arrested and dragged into the streets for not paying.

 

[norfolk shooter]

@Adrian Many people I know are happy to have the venison but when I try telling them about how it ended up in front of them as a nicely butchered bit of meat they turn around. Sorry people like that I have no time for. The shooters I know on the other hand are just the same as me. Some of the best socials and BBQs I have been to are with other shooters. @MAdcox I would love that buddy and you know that I can be in touch with my fem side I was rather happy talking style and fashion with the ladies at the AH dinner that evening. @mark-hunter I have been on the receiving side of the anti hunting brigade in the UK and they are nothing short of a gutless bunch of ticks sucking the lifeblood out of society. They would never have the courage to say what they say to my face but hidden behind a screen they say all sorts. I think we all know the type. And yes lets meet some day for a few beers and chats. Isn't that what life is all about?? Oh and hunting!

 

[Alistair]

I was thinking more along the lines of some of the fairly-recent knife legislation they were pushing for (or put through?) where you'd pretty much need to show photo ID and all to buy a spud peeler on account of it "could be used as a weapon". Or how with the COVID-19, some parts of Britain are siccing the police on folks for walking their dog or sitting in a park sunbathing with nobody within at least 20 feet, leading to jokes about "You got a licence for that sunshine, mate?"

Or, of course, the requirement (which may not actually be a requirement?) of having a TV licence to watch live TV or record it, punishable with a up-to-1000GBP fine. And this applies to watching stuff on phones, tablets, all that. Doesn't matter if you watch the BBC's stuff or have... I dunno what, like, HBO Go or Netflix or whatever hoodoo-voodoo you do, streaming services and alternatives to cable and satellite if they're available (I think), no watching TV without a licence. I mean you can watch anyway but you'll be taken to court over it, or with the way things are going now might be fully arrested and dragged into the streets for not paying.

Yeah, it's a strange world for sure.

I think it's been a legal requirement for many years now to show proof of age for purchasing knives. Certainly it's been put more in the spotlight in recent years though.

THe COVID thing is entirely ridiculous as well, although that seems to transcend the concept of nation states. Britain is especially militant in enforcing the 'lockdown' it seems, although no worse than many other countries.

As for the TV license. It's a complete farce. One has to pay a license (ostensibly to fund the BBC) to watch any live TV from any provider on any screen. So tablets, TV, computer, phone. Netflix and their ilk are however exempt for now. You can opt out of the license fee if you don't watch TV and as you can imagine, the take up of it is dropping fast. I don't pay it. All TV as far as I can tell is rubbish, whilst Netflix and Amazon Prime are superior, so why would I pay £200 a year for the BBc when I can take the same money and get Amazon Prime, Disney plus and Netflix for the same price?

 

[Tanks]

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Or, of course, the requirement (which may not actually be a requirement?) of having a TV licence to watch live TV or record it, punishable with a up-to-1000GBP fine. ....

I don't know about the fine, but I went to a "public" boarding school in England back in the 70s. I do remember that they had to have a TV license.

 

[norfolk shooter]

HAHA. Mani, having shared a couple of drinks with you now, I can just imagine you getting wound up at on these type parties. Next year in Dallas, we'll have to go find a good liberal bar after the AH dinner and go to work!

I just had a thought (it did hurt a little) are there any Lib bars in Dallas??

 

[WebleyGreene455]

Yeah, it's a strange world for sure.

I think it's been a legal requirement for many years now to show proof of age for purchasing knives. Certainly it's been put more in the spotlight in recent years though.

THe COVID thing is entirely ridiculous as well, although that seems to transcend the concept of nation states. Britain is especially militant in enforcing the 'lockdown' it seems, although no worse than many other countries.

As for the TV license. It's a complete farce. One has to pay a license (ostensibly to fund the BBC) to watch any live TV from any provider on any screen. So tablets, TV, computer, phone. Netflix and their ilk are however exempt for now. You can opt out of the license fee if you don't watch TV and as you can imagine, the take up of it is dropping fast. I don't pay it. All TV as far as I can tell is rubbish, whilst Netflix and Amazon Prime are superior, so why would I pay £200 a year for the BBc when I can take the same money and get Amazon Prime, Disney plus and Netflix for the same price?

Ah so then the streaming services are safe, for now? That's good, then, but I doubt it'll remain so for long. The BBC won't like people not filling their coffers or objecting to their awful content by going elsewhere.

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

Very few of the total. Only those with mannlicher style stocks, and usually only those that were of rifle rather than carbine length.

'Duffel cut' K98 Mauser, often encountered:

Another:

Arisaka Type 99:

Belgian 1935 Mauser:

WZ29 'Polish Mauser':

Mauser stutzen:

 

[mark-hunter]

When I started this thread, I never expected to get so long discussion.

Then, I noticed an odd thing.

- When we discuss hunting DG - we end up talking about mauser 98.
- When we discuss CRF ili PRF we end up talking about mauser 98.
- When we discuss Sauer rifles, we end up talking about mauser 98
- When we discuss blaser r8, we end up talking about mauser 98.
- When we discuss British gun industry in decline, well, you can already guess what we end up talking about...

 

[Brian Rothhammer]

When I started this thread, I never expected to get so long discussion.

Then, I noticed an odd thing.

- When we discuss hunting DG - we end up talking about mauser 98.
- When we discuss CRF ili PRF we end up talking about mauser 98.
- When we discuss Sauer rifles, we end up talking about mauser 98
- When we discuss blaser r8, we end up talking about mauser 98.
- When we discuss British gun industry in decline, well, you can already guess what we end up talking about...

These?

 

[Red Leg]

'Duffel cut' K98 Mauser, often encountered:

Another:

Arisaka Type 99:

Belgian 1935 Mauser:

WZ29 'Polish Mauser':

Mauser stutzen:

Thank you for illustrating my point.

Let’s see. A k98 is pretty much rifle length with essentially a full-length stock. And a Mauser stutzen is a pretty long “carbine.” This one has a mannlicher style stock. These sorts of firearms are where the cuts are most common. What I believe I said. But taken against all bring-back long arms, the cut ones aren’t very common compared to undamaged ones. I would say one in a hundred - maybe fewer.

 

[Adrian]

We lost the ability or desire to manufacture things for ourselves.

I was driving to work this evening and listening a union boss talk about the 9000 job cuts in Rolls Royce.

Rolls Royce have an immense capacity to manufacture anything they want to turn their hands to. But they don't. They manufacture engines.

The biggest wind farm in the UK bought their turbines from Siemens Alstom, they bought from abroad.

This guy said we have the ability and capacity to make these things, why aren't Rolls Royce making these things?
Why aren't they manufacturing other things and keeping their workers?
They put all their eggs in one basket and now their airline industry have ceased to need the quantity of engines for planes that aren't flying.
He's right. Why don't we make things any more?
Why are we so reliant on imports and deals?

It made me think of this thread.
You have the 'Rolls Royce' gun makers who can make high end products for their clients but for the rest of us, we rely on imports because our desire to compete and offer a rival product has disappeared.

Oh yes and Mauser 98.