Reintroduce Grizzlies!

[GoexFFG]

I have to lease and also own some land I hunt. Making something inclusive that is exclusive is the fastest way to ruin it. The population in our area is growing so quickly soon there will be few places to hunt. I can’t see the open places we have left turned into a free for all hunting grounds. I don’t think the game could stand the pressure. Pay to play is here and is only going to increase due to scarcity of access.

 

[cwpayton]

OK about the ranching grazing on public land, much of it was done before national forest and b l m was authorized, and getting America settled in those days took homesteaders . probably why it was grandfathered in , its pretty micro managed nowa days, we have this crazy checker board layout out west where the gov, GAVE the railroad every other section in checker board fashion. this was to facilitate the investment to " go west" IM cornered BLM land on 4 corners , mile square, my cows got out for a short while, I got them back in on my private land , next week a helicopter flew 3 circles over my cows on my land then about 100 feet over my house, so I called the Blm and ask what the heck , first thats a violation of airspace over a house,"occupied area", and its rude. the range con, said we were just checking LAT. AND LONG, GPS, to make sure your cattle are on your land. I got mores stories but I wont waste your time. if you like 20$ a lb. steak wait till they drive us out and the bill gates types[ and CHI COMS, own all the ranch land. just a happy thot, as chi coms already own 2 of the 4 major meat processing plants now, hmmm. as far as hunting its still best even out west on private land cause thats where a lot of the water springs are and valley green grass, "think homestead". I drove my wife 55 miles on dirt road BLM 2 weeks ago for her antelope saw o , thats zero. came home and ask a neighbor for hunt permission and she harvested 1 in 1 hour, think grass and water, ' again. and again most of the land management by BLM is for the feral horse herds that are over grazing just about everything. thats your management .gov.

 

[Neophyte]

The federal government has very limited constitutional authority to own land.

The BLM, Forest Service, Department of Interior, etc, etc, are all unconstitutional. The land belongs in the hands of the states. Hunting is not a primary revenue generating stream for land. If it’s in private ownership it can be. Texas is a great example.

No, I don’t live in Texas. I just think that they got it right with land ownership. Sadly I’m in a western state with so called public land.

 

[HankBuck]

I have to lease and also own some land I hunt. Making something inclusive that is exclusive is the fastest way to ruin it. The population in our area is growing so quickly soon there will be few places to hunt. I can’t see the open places we have left turned into a free for all hunting grounds. I don’t think the game could stand the pressure. Pay to play is here and is only going to increase due to scarcity of access.

@GoexFFG - you may be correct, in that it is “too late” for Texas to set aside meaningful amounts of land for the Public to hunt. Every other State has done a much better job of providing Public access to land and Texas had that opportunity - although it might have been 75 - 100 years ago….the ship sailed. Hopefully States like Wyoming, Montana, etc… continue to protect land and still work effectively with Ranchers, will never be a perfect balance but it is worth making an effort. You can’t turn over all the Land to Public Parks but you can’t allow it to all be sold and locked up in business ventures. That’s my “concept” and opinion, and I have little specifics as to “how” to accomplish this goal…I’m Not a Rancher but respect them and I’m also Not a fan of the “Disney Land” mentality either—-just an Outdoorsman.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Especially in Colorado. I miss them having moved from Montana many years ago. Waiting for my T-shirt to come in.

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Only if they put them in Denver and Boulder

 

[JimP]

Only if they put them in Denver and Boulder

Like mule deer and elk the Grizzly also lived on the Great Plains of the US so Denver would be perfect

 

[Neophyte]

C

OK about the ranching grazing on public land, much of it was done before national forest and b l m was authorized, and getting America settled in those days took homesteaders . probably why it was grandfathered in , its pretty micro managed nowa days, we have this crazy checker board layout out west where the gov, GAVE the railroad every other section in checker board fashion. this was to facilitate the investment to " go west" IM cornered BLM land on 4 corners , mile square, my cows got out for a short while, I got them back in on my private land , next week a helicopter flew 3 circles over my cows on my land then about 100 feet over my house, so I called the Blm and ask what the heck , first thats a violation of airspace over a house,"occupied area", and its rude. the range con, said we were just checking LAT. AND LONG, GPS, to make sure your cattle are on your land. I got mores stories but I wont waste your time. if you like 20$ a lb. steak wait till they drive us out and the bill gates types[ and CHI COMS, own all the ranch land. just a happy thot, as chi coms already own 2 of the 4 major meat processing plants now, hmmm. as far as hunting its still best even out west on private land cause thats where a lot of the water springs are and valley green grass, "think homestead". I drove my wife 55 miles on dirt road BLM 2 weeks ago for her antelope saw o , thats zero. came home and ask a neighbor for hunt permission and she harvested 1 in 1 hour, think grass and water, ' again. and again most of the land management by BLM is for the feral horse herds that are over grazing just about everything. thats your management .gov.

Claude Dallas had it right when he was shooting them, illegally, in Nevada.
Wild horses are one of the things ruining the west. May Velma Bronn Johnston rot with the Devil.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

As radical as it is to believe it is entirely possible to disagree with someone’s opinions without wishing eternal damnation on them.

 

[Aaron N]

C

Claude Dallas had it right when he was shooting them, illegally, in Nevada.
Wild horses are one of the things ruining the west. May Velma Bronn Johnston rot with the Devil.

“In a land the Spanish once had called the northern mystery……”

I’m all for the removal of invasive species.

 

[Neophyte]

“In a land the Spanish once had called the northern mystery……”

I’m all for the removal of invasive species.

“The rivers run and disappear.”

I’m not because if you get down to it man is an invasive species and I don’t want to revoke my birth certificate. You have good taste in music. I was buckarooing in Nevada when Claude was on the run the second time. I’d have given him anything he wanted or needed to keep running. So would everyone I knew up there.

 

[Neophyte]

As radical as it is to believe it is entirely possible to disagree with someone’s opinions without wishing eternal damnation on them.

When you have to live with the mess she created I don’t think so.
Wild horses and burros should be managed by Game & Fish with tags given out. It used to be that ranchers would manage their numbers and sell some for glue and dog food while keeping the best mares for breeding stock and even turn out good stallions to breed the mares. Look at the history of the Quarter Horse.
Her bovine fecal matter, and other pie in the sky granola eaters, are ruining the western states. I’m opposed to reintroducing animals that have pretty much gone the way of the Dodo Bird. I support cattle, mining, and timber production. Anything else, to me, is secondary.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Two of the three industries you mentioned I’ve got some experience. We ran cattle albeit a small herd right up i until fathers health got to serious issues got to severe to allow him to farm. He logged off and on all his adult life. Also did a far amount of butchering. I was selling firewood for pocket money before I could legally drive myself to deliver it and could rebuild a 257 or 266 husky from memory in my teens.
The local pulp and paper mill in Nova Scotia had the rights to cut on crown land for most of my teen years. Woodlot owners like my father got to the point were they could get more out of there pulpwood sharpening it and selling it for fence stakes than selling it for paper. The lowest I remember was 10 dollars a cord for pulp. Men who had made their livings all of their lives by owning their property and working their land we no longer able to support themselves. Most tried to keep viable by buying bigger machinery and trying to ramp up production. Ever been on a piece of land behind a c6 porter? It not only harvests the land it craters it. Most of those same men we eventually forced to sell out their woodlots when they could no longer support themselves and wonder of wonders the mill was the only buyer in town.

A few years down the road and a change of government later the mill gets shut off from cutting crown land and with in six months goes into receivership because there was no woodlot owners left in buisness to supply them pulp.

I’m far from a tree hugger 60 feet from where I type this there is 6 cord split and stacked drying and 200 feet will take you through the doors of where a couple thousand head of cattle have been killed. But I can’t get behind your extremist views I geuss we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Pure capitalism is just as dangerous of an ideology as socialism and weighing all your decisions based on how to best exploit the land with no consideration for other factors is driven by greed. Why stop at timber? Why not sell the top soil ? Crush the ridges for gravel? Where do we draw the line on cattle? After all elk and deer eat grass and drink water that could support Herefords.

 

[Neophyte]

Two of the three industries you mentioned I’ve got some experience. We ran cattle albeit a small herd right up i until fathers health got to serious issues got to severe to allow him to farm. He logged off and on all his adult life. Also did a far amount of butchering. I was selling firewood for pocket money before I could legally drive myself to deliver it and could rebuild a 257 or 266 husky from memory in my teens.
The local pulp and paper mill in Nova Scotia had the rights to cut on crown land for most of my teen years. Woodlot owners like my father got to the point were they could get more out of there pulpwood sharpening it and selling it for fence stakes than selling it for paper. The lowest I remember was 10 dollars a cord for pulp. Men who had made their livings all of their lives by owning their property and working their land we no longer able to support themselves. Most tried to keep viable by buying bigger machinery and trying to ramp up production. Ever been on a piece of land behind a c6 porter? It not only harvests the land it craters it. Most of those same men we eventually forced to sell out their woodlots when they could no longer support themselves and wonder of wonders the mill was the only buyer in town.

A few years down the road and a change of government later the mill gets shut off from cutting crown land and with in six months goes into receivership because there was no woodlot owners left in buisness to supply them pulp.

I’m far from a tree hugger 60 feet from where I type this there is 6 cord split and stacked drying and 200 feet will take you through the doors of where a couple thousand head of cattle have been killed. But I can’t get behind your extremist views I geuss we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Pure capitalism is just as dangerous of an ideology as socialism and weighing all your decisions based on how to best exploit the land with no consideration for other factors is driven by greed. Why stop at timber? Why not sell the top soil ? Crush the ridges for gravel? Where do we draw the line on cattle? After all elk and deer eat grass and drink water that could support Herefords.

I have no problem disagreeing, Sir.
I know my views aren’t popular but I’ve arrived at them by my road in life. You sound like a Canadian. I detest the other side’s views and fully realize that my views are unpopular. The thing is though, here in this country, the government has no Constitutional authority to own land except for ports, military bases, and a couple other things. There is no constitutional authority for the bureaucracy we’ve created. Like it or not most government functions are unconstitutional. I would like to see a return to state’s rights as our founders intended. I also realize it will most likely never happen.

 

[colorado]

Only if they put them in Denver and Boulder

Agree Denver and Boulder first! Saw a bumper sticker "The best view of Denver is in your rear view mirror"

 

[lockingblock]

And yet we cry about lions and leopards being poached. By your logic they should also be exterminated

Yes, if they conflict with humans, they die. You sit on a position of privilege, not having your kids eaten by predators, and advocate for the predators while knowing you will never face the consequences of living with them.

Apex predators can only exist in lightly populated areas. Wolves and bears were removed when population of humans increased. It’s the reality of being prey…and we are prey.