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Scott Ritter - seriously?!? - so your go to guy is a former mid-level bureaucrat weapons’ inspector and convicted pedophile? You clearly need to listen to Douglas Macgregor as well. That self-promoting Army reject has been a regular on Tucker Carlson since the start of this conflict extolling the might of Russia and craven weakness of Ukraine. It is no wonder he (and Ritter) have been so popular for a decade on RT (that is the state sponsored Russian network).

Fortunately the neo-isolationist crowd within the Republican Party is relatively small - The sort who claim to have done their own research without bothering to check the credentials of those they quote?

I would suggest studying a little history As well. The Sudetenland is a very good place to start. I listened to Tucker ridicule that analogy early in the current conflict. It is something he should study as well. Appeasing dictators’ territorial aspirations rarely seems to work out well. Our isolationism in the late thirties cost us dearly in blood and treasure in the forties. One would hope it was a lesson that was well learned.

Clearly not.

Azov symbology is indeed unfortunate. But a country with a Jewish president probably isn’t going to make the first rank of neo-Nazi states. I would urge you to take the time to understand the brutal treatment Ukraine received at the hands of Stalin during the thirties and following WWII. Welcoming the German Wehrmacht as liberators is hardly surprising in that context, and less so that the legacy survived in the most contested regions of Ukraine.

And Patrick Lancaster is nothing but a propagandist for the Kremlin. If you claim to be an independent researcher, then dig into this Russian shill just a bit. About the only positive I would note about this near traitor is tha he doesn’t diddle children like Ritter.
l am very happy to take what you are saying into consideration Red Leg,
l am always looking for information that will bring out the truth of a situation from either side, eg... why l elaborated about Russia not being a communist country for 30 odd years or so although the narrative being like an echo chamber of drunken fools who are just agreeing with each other about the "commies" playing the player and not the ball in the game that is so infuriating to listen too

what you have told me is that Ritter is a convicted paedophile so nobody can take anything he says with any sence of seriousness
l must say l did not know about his conviction, you are right l did not check my sources background but am glad l did not as l have listened to him without prejudice and so far what he has said has been right and l am not talking about it just being IMHO, he has been right in predicting how things have happened
you have also slammed Patrick Lancaster as nothing but a propagandist for the Kremlin and maybe he is but that does not speak for all the civilians or video footage he has recorded telling their story's that goes against everything you are saying about this being a just war for the Ukrainians in the west
can you supply links to sources that actually show Patrick Lancaster's video reports being edited or somehow changed to suit his narrative?

you seem to know your stuff so you do know that Hitler had Jewish Nazi's lets not BS about it LOL
eg... of a Jewish Nazi, George Soros
l do know about Stalin in Ukraine but he is dead and these eastern Ukrainian people are not Stalin, lucky for the Ukrainians Putin is not Stalin as well


"Fortunately the neo-isolationist crowd within the Republican Party is relatively small - The sort who claim to have done their own research without bothering to check the credentials of those they quote?"
this one made my day, thankyou
LOL you didn't do your research and check my credentials to see where l came from but l'm telling you if l was American l would be a Republican Trump supporter,
you know the trump team that did not start a war while in office for four years, the only American president to ever bring peace in the middle east
l would not be a Biden/Clinton/Obuma forever war progressive woke Democrat LOL
the world does not need another Afghanistan although Biden has probably given as many or more arms to Ukraine than he left for the Taliban in Afghanistan
people are wondering why Biden is going in this war so hard and what else he has to hide apart from Hunters dodgy dealings where Biden skims from the top, or is it "they" have to hide in Ukraine, so far a few home truths have come out eg.. 26 bio weapons labs ect..
remember the ones that did not exist
l will say this again that there has been so much BS from Zelensky in our MSM that has been debunked it makes the whole lot look like Lies, nobody can believe Zelensky while he plays on your emotions pleading for your arms and money to prop him up, nobody can deny this,
although l do believe that there is as much BS from the Russian propaganda it is not shown on western MSM so we only get to see one side's BS propaganda that is ridiculed and debunked shortly after, it looks hilarious, really just tell the truth its easy LOL
there will be no peace while there is no sit down at the bargaining table and while the fighting goes on and is pushed by Nato more Ukrainians die needlessly

anyway my son and l have just come back from our local Anzac day service, the anniversary of the first major military action fought by Australian and New Zealand military forces during the first world war
We will remember them, Lest we forget
 
@Red Leg ,

I do sincerely appreciate your reply, and always respect your opinions. However, with all due respect on this topic, your answer is more or less the same generalization that I have already heard in that it is in our national economic interest to have stability the the region. Okay fine.. I agree in principle, but at what cost, and to what extent do we defend Ukraine? Boots on the ground and American soldiers dying? What exactly then is our intended result, and how will any outcome other than total Russian defeat be favorable or create stability because I have yet to hear that plan revealed by any of these generals?

Let's assume an escalation of US involvement has a profound affect on Russian forces in Ukraine. What happens when they are on the ropes at our hands?.. Are we also betting Putin would never be foolish or desperate enough to seek nuclear options? And, during all of this China sits by as a spectator? That is a hell of a lot to risk based on speculation of what Russia may or may not do next after Ukraine. I am not saying that all this it may not be necessary or inevitable. I just don't think most of those clamoring for escalation understand the price that may have to be paid by the American people figuratively and literally.

As of right now, I just don't see or hear the "at any cost" support for those extremes coming from the vast majority of the American population regardless of their political ideologies. It's hard to sell a war based on the "stability in Europe is in our best interest" argument when we have record high inflation along with a dozen other crises right here at home that started on January 20th, 2021, long before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Again, I'm no foreign policy expert.. Just a patriotic, taxpaying American asking what I think are very fair and valid questions before we send our soldiers to die once again on foreign soil even though I guess I lack the education you infer is necessary to grasp all of this..

Enjoy your European trip!
Thanks. We are having a grand time. Nothing like a bottle of wine for lunch and supper every day to clear the mind and check off a major food group.

The US goods and services trade value with Europe exceeded a trillion US dollars last year. Obviously, our value with Ukraine was a tiny proportion of that, but the total is indicative of the critical value of stable European markets. It is why things like the Marshal Plan and NATO have been so clearly in our national interests rather than the simple charity as they are often portrayed. Russia’s invasion threatens that stability, and its stated aspirations are, at least from my perspective, existentially threatening. I do not know how to more clearly articulate the importance of the issue.

No, I do not think we should go to war with Russia. But I do think we should worry a bit less about Putin, and try to use our imagination just a bit more to achieve something other than a stalemate. Putin created this fiasco, and I see no reason to try to find a way to let him off easily. Nor can we allow him to rattle his nuclear saber and threaten us into submitting to his demands and aspirations in an area of such critical national interest. If he succeeds now, it will never stop. And of course China is watching closely.

Regretably, we have one of the weakest foreign policy teams in a generation managing this crisis. The greatest accelerants added to the situation have been the mixed signals the administration has been sending Russia. Biden’s befuddled press conference whare he acknowledged Russia might take off a small piece of Ukraine; DOD’s apparent focus on cultural nonsense; the nation’s inward navel lint picking and divisions have all emboldened Putin. Jake Sullivan, who one must assume is directing this effort, has neither foreign policy nor military experience. Who could possibly be a better choice for National Security Advisor? But none of that incompetence changes the criticality of the issue or mitigates our national interest In the outcome.

Fortunately, we have been given a bit of time due to the unexpected incompetence of Russia’s military and the equally unexpected depth of Ukrainian national will and unity. So what should be our response?

I am convinced we should supply Ukraine with the means to defeat the Russian Army in the field. Every bit of Soviet era kit in the Western Alliance should already be on the way to them - most importantly, organized and facilitated through US leadership - a powerful message in and of itself. Provide them with Q36 and Q37 radars and every HIMARS battery being demobilized from the Marine Corps. Russia’s only real advantage is its artillery, and neutralizing it should be a priority. Cut a deal for eventual sale of M1 Abrams or Leopard 2 MBTs. Neither will be available for this battle, but it would be a powerful message to the Kremlin with respect to our and Europe’s long term commitment to thwarting Russia’s territorial ambitions.

I believe only the potential defeat of its field army (coupled with potential economic collapse) will generate real negotiations. There too we should take a leadership rather than observer role. Ukraine recognizes the reality of the Crimea and both countries agree to a UN or EU monitored plebiscite in the East would seem the basis for a way out of this catastrophe. That will not occur so long as Russia believes it may win.

And all of this is merely my opinion. I would like to believe it is an informed one and I know it is an opinion that is shared by a number of my peers, but it is still just an opinion. What we can not do is allow our political frustrations and divisions interfere with our national interest priorities.
 
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l am very happy to take what you are saying into consideration Red Leg,
l am always looking for information that will bring out the truth of a situation from either side, eg... why l elaborated about Russia not being a communist country for 30 odd years or so although the narrative being like an echo chamber of drunken fools who are just agreeing with each other about the "commies" playing the player and not the ball in the game that is so infuriating to listen too

what you have told me is that Ritter is a convicted paedophile so nobody can take anything he says with any sence of seriousness
l must say l did not know about his conviction, you are right l did not check my sources background but am glad l did not as l have listened to him without prejudice and so far what he has said has been right and l am not talking about it just being IMHO, he has been right in predicting how things have happened
you have also slammed Patrick Lancaster as nothing but a propagandist for the Kremlin and maybe he is but that does not speak for all the civilians or video footage he has recorded telling their story's that goes against everything you are saying about this being a just war for the Ukrainians in the west
can you supply links to sources that actually show Patrick Lancaster's video reports being edited or somehow changed to suit his narrative?

you seem to know your stuff so you do know that Hitler had Jewish Nazi's lets not BS about it LOL
eg... of a Jewish Nazi, George Soros
l do know about Stalin in Ukraine but he is dead and these eastern Ukrainian people are not Stalin, lucky for the Ukrainians Putin is not Stalin as well


"Fortunately the neo-isolationist crowd within the Republican Party is relatively small - The sort who claim to have done their own research without bothering to check the credentials of those they quote?"
this one made my day, thankyou
LOL you didn't do your research and check my credentials to see where l came from but l'm telling you if l was American l would be a Republican Trump supporter,
you know the trump team that did not start a war while in office for four years, the only American president to ever bring peace in the middle east
l would not be a Biden/Clinton/Obuma forever war progressive woke Democrat LOL
the world does not need another Afghanistan although Biden has probably given as many or more arms to Ukraine than he left for the Taliban in Afghanistan
people are wondering why Biden is going in this war so hard and what else he has to hide apart from Hunters dodgy dealings where Biden skims from the top, or is it "they" have to hide in Ukraine, so far a few home truths have come out eg.. 26 bio weapons labs ect..
remember the ones that did not exist
l will say this again that there has been so much BS from Zelensky in our MSM that has been debunked it makes the whole lot look like Lies, nobody can believe Zelensky while he plays on your emotions pleading for your arms and money to prop him up, nobody can deny this,
although l do believe that there is as much BS from the Russian propaganda it is not shown on western MSM so we only get to see one side's BS propaganda that is ridiculed and debunked shortly after, it looks hilarious, really just tell the truth its easy LOL
there will be no peace while there is no sit down at the bargaining table and while the fighting goes on and is pushed by Nato more Ukrainians die needlessly

anyway my son and l have just come back from our local Anzac day service, the anniversary of the first major military action fought by Australian and New Zealand military forces during the first world war
We will remember them, Lest we forget
I apologize. I took you for a misinformed American rather than a misinformed citizen from down under. That is meant as humor. ;)

Do some research on both Ritter and Lancaster. The one is a bitter old man who has learned to hate his country, and the other is a tool of Russian propaganda saying exactly what the Russians approve him to say. I also will admit a pedophile conviction colors my perspective of almost anyone. The fact that both are regulars on Russia’s state sponsored news network, which only reports exactly what the Kremlin wants reported, should speak volumes.

This conflict will end in one of two ways. Ukraine will collapse, or Russia will seriously negotiate due to the pending collapse of its economy and field army. From an American national interest perspective, I believe the former is an outcome that would haunt us for a generation. Therefore, we should be doing everything in our considerable power to hasten the latter.

Thank you for remembering those lads largely abandoned on that God forsaken peninsula over a century ago. Very few people outside of Australia and NZ even know their story.
 
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The young man is from a small town in Texas. His hometown buddies are working hard to bring him back from the dark side. Hopefully, they can bring him around.
I wish them good luck. Sounds like he’s pretty far down the rabbit hole.
 
If this is directed at my comments, I never suggested that the "west" capitulate... I only question the justification for escalating the USA's involvement there beyond defensive and humanitarian support. I honestly don't care what NATO, Europe, or the rest world for that matter does. I do care about what happens to the USA. We are always the one paying exponentially the most in dollars and blood in these wars..

I do agree that there is more to this beyond Ukraine.. That's what concerns me the most.. And, if we did escalate to the point of a hot war with Russia, we won't have to speculate what China does next..
“I honestly don’t care what NATO, Europe or the rest of the world for that matter does.”

Really? Sorry, but it is rather naive to think that just because the Atlantic and Pacific separates the US from its allies and foes that we in the US can just get by on our own without any alliances. Do you not remember the Cold War when the Soviet Union was trying to expand around the globe? Do you really think that we should have stayed out of WWII if Japan had not attacked us? The world would be a much scarier place if Germany would have succeeded in the 1930s & 1940s.

Just because we sit over here in the US in the relative comfort of the Western Hemisphere doesn’t mean we should naively think the rest of the world is irrelevant. Like it or not, we are a superpower and with that comes great responsibility and leadership. A lack of American leadership is exactly why we find ourselves having to pick a side now, after the fact. As an Aussie, you may have the luck to not care. Americans and Europeans do not.
 
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Article from 'The Daily Telegraph', 25 April:

Arrogant, incompetent and corrupt: war is shattering our delusions of the German elite​

Held hostage by Putin, its establishment is suffering a full-scale nervous breakdown

ByDaniel Johnson24 April 2022 • 6:00am

Scholz, Merkel and Schroder

“For thirty years, Germans lectured Ukrainians about fascism. When fascism actually arrived, Germans funded it, and Ukrainians died fighting it.”

It is too early to say who will win the war in Ukraine, but one nation has already suffered a catastrophic loss of prestige: Germany. The political and business leaders of Europe’s biggest economy have not only failed to give Ukrainians the help they so desperately need, but in their dealings with Russia they have been exposed as at best naive - and at worst complicit.
This week the German leadership crisis deepened when Olaf Scholz, the Chancellor, claimed to be delivering on his promise to send arms to Ukraine — but was revealed by the tabloid Bild to have secretly refused every item of heavy equipment requested by Kyiv. After Scholz had crossed tanks and artillery off the list, an aid package said to be worth €1 billion (£836 million) had been reduced by more than two thirds.
Meanwhile Berlin has been stonewalling on sanctions, claiming that its industry and consumers cannot bear the pain of cutting off energy supplies from Russia. A decade ago, the Germans lectured Greeks and other southern Europeans about austerity, telling them that “an end with horror is better than a horror without end”. Now, as President Zelensky told German MPs a month ago, they care only about protecting their economy.

Annalena Baerbock, the Foreign Minister, says it is impossible to cut Russian oil imports to zero before the end of the year, while gas will take much longer. Yet Lithuania, a much poorer and more vulnerable country, has already stopped both.
It is only just dawning on the German public that the Russian gas and oil that supplies their homes and cars, along with their European Union partners, is paying for Putin’s war machine to the tune of £250 billion a year. If that cash flow were cut off by sanctions, the Kremlin would have no choice but to end the war.
As things stand, however, the conflict will probably be over long before the Germans stop importing Russian energy and start sending Ukraine the weaponry it needs to win the battle now raging in Donbas.
As the American historian Timothy Snyder put it: “For thirty years, Germans lectured Ukrainians about fascism. When fascism actually arrived, Germans funded it, and Ukrainians died fighting it.”
It is no exaggeration to say that the German establishment is now suffering a full-scale nervous breakdown. Observers are shocked by the extent of incompetence and even corruption that has left the country dependent on Russia and unwilling to unravel ties to the Kremlin going back decades. The apologies and excuses keep coming, but they only serve to deepen the crisis.
One of the lamest excuses came from the German defence minister Christine Lambrecht, who protests that she cannot send Leopard and Marder tanks without leaving her own forces under-equipped. Yet her own most senior general, Alfons Mais, admits that the German Bundeswehr had been “stripped bare” over many years by complacent politicians.
One of Ms Lambrecht’s least impressive predecessors, Ursula von der Leyen, ordered troops to use broomsticks instead of rifles in exercises. She was later promoted by Angela Merkel to become President of the EU Commission.
The greatest scandal revolves around the Nord Stream gas pipeline. Over nearly two decades, this project has been assiduously pushed by a nexus of German politicians and Russian state corporations. It started with Gerhard Schröder, whose father died on the Eastern Front and who seems to have made it his mission to make amends by serving Russian interests. In 2005 he moved seamlessly from Social Democratic Chancellor to Nord Stream chairman and the boards of Gazprom and Rosneft.
One of his protégés is Scholz, who has belatedly tried to distance himself. Schröder is now subject to sanctions and his party is now in the process of expelling its former leader.
Other senior Social Democrats have clearly been implicated too, including the former Foreign Minister, now President, Frank-Walter Steinmeier. As German head of state, Steinmeier has delivered many solemn speeches about past German crimes, not least last year at the Babyn Yar Holocaust memorial in Kyiv. So closely associated is he with the pro-Russian policy of Angela Merkel’s coalition government, however, that when the German President proposed a visit to Kyiv, he was informed by Zelensky’s office that he would not be welcome.
Such a snub is unprecedented and was made all the more painful for Germans by the embarrassing contrast with Boris Johnson’s cordial welcome in the Ukrainian capital. Instead of trying to make amends, though, Steinmeier’s colleagues denounced the Ukrainian ambassador, Andrij Melnyk, who has been outspoken in his criticism of the Berlin establishment. Another former leader of the Social Democrats, Sigmar Gabriel, even accused Melnyk of peddling “conspiracy theories about Germany”.
Unfortunately for Scholz, Steinmeier and Gabriel, the Kremlin’s conspiracies to corrupt German politicians are all too real. One case in point concerns Manuela Schwesig, the Social Democratic First Minister of the eastern state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Documents published by Die Welt show that she set up a foundation at the behest of the Russian-controlled Nord Stream 2 corporation to circumvent possible US sanctions and covertly promote the project in the German media.
Ms Schwesig now faces an inquiry and possible criminal investigation, along with calls for her resignation. What has shocked Germans is the way in which a rising star of the centre-Left allowed herself to become “Putin’s puppet”. She has insisted she has done nothing wrong.
Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (L) and Manuela Schwesig Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania's State Premier attend a memorial service in Potsdam, eastern Germany, on January 21, 2020

Manuela Schwesig, pictured with Gerhard Schroeder in 2020, faces a possible criminal investigation CREDIT: SOEREN STACHE/ AFP

The tentacles of the Kremlin reach much more widely into the German economy than just the energy industry, however. Until the invasion of the Crimea in 2014 forced Angela Merkel to impose limited sanctions and Putin turned to Xi Jinping’s China for technology, Germany was Russia’s largest trading partner. And only after tanks rolled into Ukraine two months ago did German companies such as Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW and Adidas start to curtail their exports to and manufacturing plants in Russia.
The cultural kudos of Russia in Germany and vice-versa is impossible to overstate. Their history of mutual admiration goes back at least to the 18th century, when an obscure German princess rose to become Catherine the Great. The Tsarina invited Germans to settle in Russia to teach the peasants how to farm. Descendants of the “Volga Germans” were deported to Siberia by Stalin, but in the 1980s and 90s millions of them emigrated to Germany, where they now form a pro-Putin lobby group.
The cardinal importance of good relations with Moscow has been an axiom of German statesmen since Otto von Bismarck, even if his dictum “make a good treaty with Russia” was interpreted with the utmost cynicism at times. It was the Germans who smuggled Lenin across Europe to unleash his Bolshevik revolution on Russia. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk in 1918 imposed a Carthaginian peace on the Russians and created the first independent Ukraine, later crushed by the Red Army.
At Rapallo in 1922, the German Foreign Minister and AEG electrical magnate Walter Rathenau made the first treaty with the Soviet Union, enabling Russo-German trade to boom. Though Rathenau was assassinated by anti-Semitic terrorists, Hitler emulated him by striking a deal with Stalin, the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of 1939, which carved up Poland and unleashed the Second World War.
The war of annihilation that began when the Nazis launched Operation Barbarossa in 1941 has left terrible scars on all the peoples involved. In so far as Hitler had a rationale for his invasion and the extermination of Jews and others that followed in its wake, it was his desire for Lebensraum (“living space”) in Ukraine, the “breadbasket of Europe”. Hitler had his headquarters there and even visited Mariupol in winter 1941.
The Nazi occupation left Ukraine devastated, but because it was seen merely as part of the Soviet Union, the Germans never felt the need to atone for what they had done there — as they did in Poland and, especially, Russia. The fact that some Ukrainians, embittered by Stalin’s genocidal famine (the Holodomor), had collaborated with the Nazis contributed to the postwar lack of sympathy in Germany for Ukrainian national aspirations. Conversely, Russians were taught that Ukrainian nationalists were by definition Nazis; in 1959 their wartime leader, Stepan Bandera, was assassinated in Munich by the KGB.
After Ukraine became independent in 1991, the Germans did not pay much attention to it. Instead, they doubled down on their long-standing policy of investing in Russia. Even when Putin took over — intimidating, interfering with and in some cases crushing his neighbours in the service of his imperialist designs — politicians in Berlin turned a blind eye.
Some even believed the Russian propaganda line that Ukraine was full of neo-Nazis, even though its president was Jewish and its parliament (unlike the German Bundestag) had no far-Right parties. Not until war and genocide returned to Europe, the prevention of which had supposedly been the basis of their postwar system, did the scales fall from German eyes.

Ostpolitik
How could this have happened? The answer lies in the very German tradition known as Ostpolitik (“eastern policy”). The architect of this strategy was Willy Brandt, the charismatic statesman who also modernised the German Social Democratic Party (SPD) and led its return to office in 1969.
As mayor of West Berlin when the Wall was built in 1961, Brandt had witnessed first hand the tragedy of a divided city, country and continent. He stood beside John F. Kennedy when the President told the beleaguered citizens of Berlin: “Ich bin ein Berliner.” But he knew that the Americans would not risk war to bring down the Berlin Wall, let alone to reunite Germany.
Realising that these goals could only be pursued in an atmosphere of détente, Brandt set about building bridges to the Kremlin and to the East German Communists, beginning with a “policy of small steps” to improve life on both sides of the Wall. This “networking” became known as Ostpolitik.
Brandt himself was brought down by a spy scandal in 1974, but Ostpolitik endured and evolved under his successor Helmut Schmidt. It was even adopted by their centre-Right opponent, Helmut Kohl, who had been a fierce Cold Warrior but seized the opportunities offered by Mikhail Gorbachev’s opening to the West.
As the Telegraph correspondent in Germany, I and other journalists accompanied Kohl to Moscow in 1988. I vividly remember the exalted sense of history with which the German Chancellor imbued his relationship with the Soviet President, exchanging soft loans in hard currency for political concessions. This was the background to the opening of the Iron Curtain and the fall of the Berlin Wall a year later.
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West Berliners crowd in front of the Berlin Wall early 11 November 1989 as they watch East German border guards demolishing a section of the wall "]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content...0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=480[/IMG]
The West German 'policy of small steps' helped bring the East closer in the years before the Wall fell CREDIT: GERARD MALIE/ AFP

I also recall interviewing the head of the Deutsche Bank, Alfred Herrhausen, who was there in Moscow to sign the cheques. A formidable figure, later assassinated by far-Left terrorists, Herrhausen saw the role of German high finance and trade in idealistic terms, as an indispensable part of Ostpolitik. By bankrolling the Russians, he was acting as the vanguard of democracy and also laying the groundwork for new markets for German industry.
As we now know, the Wall did fall and Germany was reunited. The German political and business establishment, particularly the Social Democratic Party, felt vindicated. Before he died in 1992, Willy Brandt, the father of Ostpolitik, declared that “our time, like hardly any before, is full of possibilities— for good and ill”. Neither he nor anyone else then foresaw that Ostpolitik towards Russia would be continued in a way that would prove disastrous.
German leaders had always wondered how to compensate for their country’s lack of energy resources. Middle East oil was unreliable. During the Cold War, nuclear power seemed to be the future, but in the 1970s and 80s the environmentalist movement, whose political arm was the Greens, stopped Germany following France by developing small reactors and energy independence.
In the post-Soviet era, however, Russia quickly developed into the supplier of cheap oil and gas to Europe. Hence the rapid shift of the German economy towards reliance on Russia for its energy, especially after Angela Merkel’s decision a decade ago to phase out all nuclear reactors.
Nord Stream 1, the gas pipeline under the Baltic that bypassed Ukraine, was opened in 2011 with great fanfare by German, Russian, French and Dutch leaders. The new Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which doubled capacity, was intended by the Kremlin to ensure that German consumers and industry remained permanently dependent on Russian gas. Angela Merkel and her SPD coalition partners consistently refused to accept that Nord Stream had political and strategic as well as economic significance.

The Germans even allowed Russian companies to control large parts of their energy storage facilities and refineries, meaning that when the invasion of Ukraine began in February, stocks of oil and gas were low. This was another factor in persuading Berlin that an early exit from Russian hydrocarbons was impossible.
Even coal, the only fossil fuel that Germany has in abundance, was mostly imported from Russia, partly for environmental reasons but mainly because it was cheaper.
The Federal Republic prides itself on being a model of liberty, democracy and the rule of law. It has done much to redeem itself for the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity. But in the course of its dysfunctional love affair with Russia, Germany has allowed itself to become hostage to the world’s most dangerous dictatorship.
Driven by a fatal juxtaposition of gullible idealism and ruthless realpolitik, the country’s political elite had persuaded itself that the mantra “Never again” had no implications for its attitude to the Kremlin. Had Russia not suffered more than any other country at the hands of the Nazis? How then could a Russian leader have been transmogrified into something more sinister than anything that postwar Europe had witnessed: a cold-blooded killer with Hitlerian delusions and armed with a vast nuclear arsenal?
Thanks to the strength of the German economy, still the fourth largest in the world, the Berlin establishment is at once arrogant and self-righteous. Yet the cast of characters that dominated German politics for a generation has been outwitted, outmanoeuvred and outgunned.
From the self-aggrandising showmanship of Gerhard Schröder to the dogged materialism of Angela Merkel and the moral cowardice of Olaf Scholz, they are all technocrats, incapable of grasping grand strategy, let alone anticipating the vicious logic of Putin’s megalomania. All have been revealed as hopelessly out of their depth. These latter-day kaisers have no clothes.
For a brief moment, a week or so into the war, it looked as though Scholz might have listened to his inner voice. He spoke of a Zeitenwende, a moment of truth. Telling Germany that it had an absolute moral obligation to give Ukraine whatever was in its power might have blown apart his coalition or blown up his leadership, but it could have made a hero of him if he had chosen to follow through. Instead, he has been rowing back from the promise of that moment ever since.
For fear of becoming a “war party”, Scholz and his Social Democratic comrades are denying Ukraine the tanks, planes, missiles and artillery without which it cannot resist Putin’s “special operation” — a sinister echo, incidentally, of the Nazi term Sonderbehandlung, meaning extermination.
There are some German leaders who understand the fatal consequences of the Scholz government’s policy. Unfortunately, the leader of the opposition, Friedrich Merz, has not yet offered a clear alternative, but his fellow Christian Democrat, Norbert Röntgen has spoken out strongly for the delivery of all forms of military equipment and for an immediate boycott of Russian oil and gas.
He is scathing about Scholz and his coalition: “I cannot recall when a German government has caused more foreign political damage than in the present situation, when the fate of Europe’s future is at stake.”
The only member of the present government who seems to have an inkling of what is at stake is the Foreign Minister, Annalena Baerbock. A Green, she led the polls briefly a year ago, only to be mocked by the German establishment for having been a competitive teenage gymnast, the implication being that nobody that accomplished on the trampoline could possibly be bright enough to be Chancellor of Germany.
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock speaks with the media as she arrives for a meeting of NATO foreign ministers at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Thursday, April 7, 2022

Annalena Baerbock, Germany's Foreign Minister, at a Nato meeting earlier this month CREDIT: Olivier Matthys/ AP

Yet Baerbock has consistently been tougher on Russia than any of her ministerial colleagues and she is visibly uncomfortable with having to defend Scholz’s failures on arms and sanctions.
On the centre-Left, many Germans are regretting the fact that Olaf Scholz rather than Annalena Baerbock became Chancellor after last September’s election. And on the centre-Right, they regret the fact that they fought that election under the leadership of the pro-Russian Armin Laschet rather than Röttgen.
In fact, the important division that is emerging in German politics is not between Left and Right, but between the doves of the pro-Russian political establishment and the hawkish dissidents who want to give wholehearted backing to Ukraine.
It is not inconceivable that the “traffic-light coalition” and its three parties will split. A parliamentary realignment could produce a new coalition of hawks from all the major parties under the leadership of Annalena Baerbock. She would join the other warrior women of the North who now lead Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia and Lithuania. With Norbert Röttgen as her Foreign Minister, Germany under Chancellor Baerbock could face the world with some confidence.
Most likely, however, politics in Berlin will stagger on under the status quo. Scholz’s only virtue is that the rest of his party, the largest in the coalition, are just as compromised by appeasement as he is. The German Social Democrats are the oldest centre-Left party in Europe, even older than the Labour Party or the now almost defunct French Socialists. Unless they wake up and ditch an Ostpolitik that has long since become an albatross around their necks, they are doomed.
The tragedy of the German elites is that in striving to be equal to a noxious past, they rendered themselves unequal to the demands of the present. It isn’t conscience that has made cowards of them all, but the imbecile conviction that Europe could never again fall under the spell to which Germany once succumbed. It has indeed happened again — in Russia.
Germany is no longer a great military power, but it can make itself Europe’s arsenal of democracy. The German people owes that much to Ukraine, to its allies and to itself.
 
As an Aussie, you may have the luck to not care. Americans and Europeans do not.
I think you may be a bit confused. You're quoting BSO Dave who is American, not Australian.
With the exception of Marksman, most Australians are deeply concerned with the events in both Ukraine and the Pacific.
 
For he benefit of our American cousins, Anzac Day is a public holiday in both Australia and New Zealand, similar in concept to Veterans Day in the US. It originally honoured the members of the Australian and New Zealand Army Corp (ANZAC) who served in the Gallipoli Campaign. Over time it has evolved to to commemorates the contribution and suffering of all who have served or are still serving.
 
For he benefit of our American cousins, Anzac Day is a public holiday in both Australia and New Zealand, similar in concept to Veterans Day in the US. It originally honoured the members of the Australian and New Zealand Army Corp (ANZAC) who served in the Gallipoli Campaign. Over time it has evolved to to commemorates the contribution and suffering of all who have served or are still serving.
I just Wikipediad the Gallipoli Campaign. Pretty brutal affair and catastrophic losses on both sides in a little over ten months of fighting. I can see why Anzac Day is important to the Australians and New Zealanders.
 
Ummm… Ukraine is a founding member of the UN… then while part of the Soviet Union was represented by the USSR… then when Ukraine separated from the USSR in 1991 they retained their original 1945 seat…

They have been part of the UN since it’s inception..

That that I believe the US has any duty or obligation to all UN members… as far as I’m concerned most UN nations can burst into flames and I wouldn’t care… and the UN itself can suck start a Glock…
“can suck start a Glock”. Ha! I’ll have to remember that one!
 
The evil of Communism can be a challenge to get across to people in the U.S. because the Soviet Union was our allie during WW2. I have seen one of my former students go to MIT and then go down the path of communism. His FB post about ”burn down the capitalist system” are met with strong arguments from his former classmates. Some of their responses to his classic communist statements are quite sophisticated. I thought they had been sleeping in class. We have to constantly be pointing out the evil of communism.
It's kinda funny.

The 1 real difference (which ultimately wasn't much o a difference at all) between the Communists and the NAZIs was that the former nationalized all commercial interests. But when the state tells those business owners in Germany what to make, how much to make, and how much they will be paid, ownership is nominal only.

The Cossacks (evil, money-grubbing landowners, lots of them Jews) were as reviled in the USSR as the Jews were in Germany. USSR had its NKVD, Germany had its brown shirts and then later the Allegemaine SS, all of whom repressed political dissidents ruthlessly. The list of commonalities between them is nearly endless.

One of the most skillful feats of legerdemaine in all of world history was labeling the NAZIs as "right wing." In reality, the NAZIs and Communists were simply opposite sides of the same coin.
 
It's kinda funny.

The 1 real difference (which ultimately wasn't much o a difference at all) between the Communists and the NAZIs was that the former nationalized all commercial interests. But when the state tells those business owners in Germany what to make, how much to make, and how much they will be paid, ownership is nominal only.

The Cossacks (evil, money-grubbing landowners, lots of them Jews) were as reviled in the USSR as the Jews were in Germany. USSR had its NKVD, Germany had its brown shirts and then later the Allegemaine SS, all of whom repressed political dissidents ruthlessly. The list of commonalities between them is nearly endless.

One of the most skillful feats of legerdemaine in all of world history was labeling the NAZIs as "right wing." In reality, the NAZIs and Communists were simply opposite sides of the same coin.
My father was a historian. Pretty good one. He always said the best way to view the left and the right was with a circle rather than a line. The farther one went in either direction the closer they became in actual behavior.
 
Being a world leader is kind of like being a professional dog trainer. You still have to go shovel dog shit.
That's deep man, really deep. (y)
 
@Red Leg,

Although I still think your explanation for the justification in our escalated involvement in Ukraine is a broad generalization, I will say that the plan of action you outlined is specific and precise which is far more than I have heard offered up by our own experts. I would emphasize again that the problem with all of this is the instability of Putin and the nuclear card he holds. That's the truly scary part that has only one end game. I would be interested to hear your plan if he were to utilize a nuclear weapon?

As always, I appreciate your opinions and insight although I am not sure if I am in total agreement with you on what the USA's role should be going forward.

“I honestly don’t care what NATO, Europe or the rest of the world for that matter does.”

Really? Sorry, but it is rather naive to think that just because the Atlantic and Pacific separates the US from its allies and foes that we in the US can just get by on our own without any alliances. Do you not remember the Cold War when the Soviet Union was trying to expand around the globe? Do you really think that we should have stayed out of WWII if Japan had not attacked us? The world would be a much scarier place if Germany would have succeeded in the 1930s & 1940s.

Just because we sit over here in the US in the relative comfort of the Western Hemisphere doesn’t mean we should naively think the rest of the world is irrelevant. Like it or not, we are a superpower and with that comes great responsibility and leadership. A lack of American leadership is exactly why we find ourselves having to pick a side now, after the fact. As an Aussie, you may have the luck to not care. Americans and Europeans do not.

LOL..! I'm a lot of things friend, but naïve is certainly not one of them! True naiveté is NOT asking these very obvious questions as to what our role should be in Ukraine or globally for that matter and if we are ready to pay those costs as a nation.

I'm certainly not an isolationist, but I am 100% America-first and there is a BIG difference.. Comparing the US's eventual involvement in WW2 to the Ukraine/Russian war is comparing apples and oranges. We had real, immediate, tangible economic and political interests in supporting Great Britain, France, and western Europe.. Our involvement in WW2 was inevitable and justified for many reasons that do not exist here and now in my opinion.

My comment about NATO was meant to be facetious, but not totally inaccurate. Real allies are of vital importance, but NATO has proven to be feckless organization with the vast majority of the financial and physical burden being provided by the USA for the last 20+ years. The USA can exist without NATO, but NATO is as useless as tits on a bull without the USA, and none of our political leaders had the balls to say it before Trump... Where was NATO's presence pre-invasion? Where are they in this conflict now? Why is the USA once again doing the heavy lifting? Let's say for the sake of argument that the US does escalate it's participation which results in direct US/Russian conflict. Is NATO going to join the fight? An attack on one is an attack on all right?? I guess we will see...

I do, however, agree with you on the USA's total lack of leadership throughout. The non-plan in the Afghanistan withdrawal made that crystal clear.. I have less than zero confidence in the Brandon Administration's ability to salvage a positive outcome out of this war.

BTW, I'm not an "Aussie".. Born and bred America citizen and a recently retired police officer with over 30 years service in the second largest county in Florida. I think that qualifies me to have an opinion on this country's discourse that differs from yours.. ;)
 
'm certainly not an isolationist, but I am 100% America-first and there is a BIG difference.. Comparing the US's eventual involvement in WW2 to the Ukraine/Russian war is comparing apples and oranges. We had real, immediate, tangible economic and political interests in supporting Great Britain, France, and western Europe.. Our involvement in WW2 was inevitable and justified for many reasons that do not exist here and now in my opinion.
Had we been involved in the 1930’s would the 1940’s have happened?
 
Although that is a little harsh on the British and the Poles, BSO Dave, who have been at the forefront of providing material support to the Ukraine, followed by the Americans, Canadians, and the Australians - the Anglosphere, more-or-less.

As Winston Churchill put it, the Americans can always be counted upon to do the right thing, having first exhausted all other opportunities. Despite the uselessness of the shambling halfwit currently in the White House, it is quite possible that the West has out-manoeuvred Putin and forced him into a catastrophic error in the Ukraine. The Russians are tied down in a 'can’t win' conflict and the current minimal support to the Ukraine can be be ramped up as needed; Russia’s military has been exposed as a paper tiger; and, meanwhile, NATO expansion to add Finland and Sweden is almost certain. At this rate, Russian shipping won’t be able to leave either the Black Sea or the Baltic.

Two interesting articles:

The Fear of Victory
What Russians think of the War

From a British perspective, the matter is a simple case of standing up for a bullied state, and a desire to give Putin a bloody nose: he having twice poisoned British subjects (with polonium and novichok, respectively) and killed 10 Britons when flight MH17 was shot down in 2014.
 
My father was a historian. Pretty good one. He always said the best way to view the left and the right was with a circle rather than a line. The farther one went in either direction the closer they became in actual behavior.
To my understanding, the only feature the NAZIs share/d with people like us is a strong sense of nationalism.

Nationalism != NAZIism, no matter how much the left wants it to be.

The best philosophical unpacking of NAZIism I ever read was Ominous Parallels, by Leonard Peikoff. It was first published around 1980. It's still in print, paperback is available for cheap from Amazon.
 
Fkn hell you are talking so much bullshit...an education from you..I doubt it judging from your last two posts...check I said Russia isn't communist ...but basically a dictatorship that is rapidly heading back to how the government was run under the hard line soviet leaders....and I honestly cant be bothered spending fruitless time responding to the other bullshit you have put on...so yeah as far as I am concerned you are still talking out of your arsehole....I think you are the one in need of some education... :E Doh:
I just Wikipediad the Gallipoli Campaign. Pretty brutal affair and catastrophic losses on both sides in a little over ten months of fighting. I can see why Anzac Day is important to the Australians and New Zealanders.
You may enjoy the movie
 
Although that is a little harsh on the British and the Poles, BSO Dave, who have been at the forefront of providing material support to the Ukraine, followed by the Americans, Canadians, and the Australians - the Anglosphere, more-or-less.

As Winston Churchill put it, the Americans can always be counted upon to do the right thing, having first exhausted all other opportunities. Despite the uselessness of the shambling halfwit currently in the White House, it is quite possible that the West has out-manoeuvred Putin and forced him into a catastrophic error in the Ukraine. The Russians are tied down in a 'can’t win' conflict and the current minimal support to the Ukraine can be be ramped up as needed; Russia’s military has been exposed as a paper tiger; and, meanwhile, NATO expansion to add Finland and Sweden is almost certain. At this rate, Russian shipping won’t be able to leave either the Black Sea or the Baltic.

Two interesting articles:

The Fear of Victory
What Russians think of the War

From a British perspective, the matter is a simple case of standing up for a bullied state, and a desire to give Putin a bloody nose: he having twice poisoned British subjects (with polonium and novichok, respectively) and killed 10 Britons when flight MH17 was shot down in 2014.
Thanks for the links. So far this morning I've scanned BBC, CBC, CNN, FOX, TASS, AL Jazerra and read the articles you've shared including comments by various other AH members like @Red Leg. I followed up on watching the Scott Ritter tape, been to the Wiki site regarding Mr Ritter (yesterday) etc. About all I can say is that I've observed a lot of information, now I have to digest it. If anyone cares to suggest an outlet for news that is objective I would love to explore it.
 

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