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I had a tree planting crew at our farm two weeks ago. All legal workers from Mexico. The lead man, Juan, and I had a long talk. He strongly supports a hard border. It is not safe for him to return to his home in Mexico due to cartel activity. In his mind we need to do whatever it takes to keep the same influences out of the US.

These cartels don't exist to supply drugs to Mexicans. There wouldn't be enough money in that business to keep any of them in bullets. They exist because of a seemingly insatiable demand for illegal drugs from the US. If I was a Mexican, I'd be more than a little pissed at what this demand has done to my country.
 
The government should just poison the confinscated drugs and turn them back on the street. End of problem.
 
These cartels don't exist to supply drugs to Mexicans. There wouldn't be enough money in that business to keep any of them in bullets. They exist because of a seemingly insatiable demand for illegal drugs from the US. If I was a Mexican, I'd be more than a little pissed at what this demand has done to my country.

Drugs are big, but so is human trafficking. People that are legal have no problem. The going rate that the cartels in the New Mexico/Texas corridor were charging illegals to cross in 2018 was around $6,000 each. This is unscientific and is my sample size obtained from asking around a dozen people last year. The numbers I heard were anywhere from $4,500 up to $8,000. This does not include the fact that around a third of the women down to girls as young as eight are getting raped. Many of them multiple times. People that try to cross by going around the cartels are killed. How many people cross per year? A million, two million, more? The math starts getting large fast. The number of cartel members involved in human trafficking on a daily basis greatly exceeds those involved in moving drugs on a daily basis.

Human trafficking has been on Trump's agenda since announcing his run for president. Sessions set a number of pendulums in motion. There are probably massive investigations going on at the present time. Look for a number of cases to start being made in the next two years. Control of the border is imperative to stopping human trafficking.

BTW, realize that the majority of Canadian drugs cross the Mexican/American border. (This information is a few years old. I presume it is still good) It is not just an American problem.
 
These cartels don't exist to supply drugs to Mexicans. There wouldn't be enough money in that business to keep any of them in bullets. They exist because of a seemingly insatiable demand for illegal drugs from the US. If I was a Mexican, I'd be more than a little pissed at what this demand has done to my country.

There's not much to be done about the demand. The same demand exists in all corners of the globe, just like there is for beer, whiskey, and other such things.

Decriminalize it and watch the price plummet.

Then there still wouldn't be enough money in that business to keep any of them in bullets, and it wouldn't cost us a single penny to do it.

Banning anything, whether it's drugs or Levi's blue jeans (think about the Russian black market for Western things during the Cold War), will create a black market for that thing, and black markets *always* attract the worst elements of society as purveyors of those things.

Think about the kind of people in the US that ran the booze trade during the 1920s. Why isn't the booze trade still full of people like that?
 
BTW, realize that the majority of Canadian drugs cross the Mexican/American border. (This information is a few years old. I presume it is still good) It is not just an American problem.

Absolutely. The only difference is that (1) Canada is about 1/10th the size of the US in terms of population, so the problem is proportionately smaller and (2) it's pretty risky for most of the Canada bound drugs to enter the US first, so they typically come into Canada directly from a source country, which of course varies with the type of drugs involved. Hence Canada likely contributes to problems elsewhere, as well as to a much lesser extent in Mexico.

There's not much to be done about the demand. The same demand exists in all corners of the globe, just like there is for beer, whiskey, and other such things.

Not sure I agree with you on that one. There has always been (and likely always will be) a demand for certain types of "recreational" drugs, but there are lots of factors which go to increasing and decreasing demand, including economic ones. If you mean, though, that banning things won't solve the demand problem, then I agree completely.

One thing which you'd think governments might fund with some of the money they make from taxing things like alcohol, tobacco and gambling is research on addiction. If we could figure out the physical (brain chemistry) sources of addiction, we might not only make a lot of lives better, but we might put a pretty big dent in the profits these criminals make. And save ourselves a bunch of money on law enforcement and health care, not to mention lost productivity.

Having said all of that, bit of a funny thread for a hunting site!
 
Not sure I agree with you on that one. There has always been (and likely always will be) a demand for certain types of "recreational" drugs, but there are lots of factors which go to increasing and decreasing demand, including economic ones.

The only economic factor I care about are actual market demands. Every attempt, via Keyensian economic "stimulation," will ultimately have unintended (and often worse) consequences than allowing the market to do its thing to begin with.

If you mean, though, that banning things won't solve the demand problem, then I agree completely.

Bear in mind I used to be a Houston police officer. Subsequent to that, I was a nurse. I know first hand the effects drugs have on people. But I also have first hand experience with what the war on drugs has done to police departments around the country, and I like that far less than what a few idiots do to themselves and/or their families.

One thing which you'd think governments might fund with some of the money they make from taxing things like alcohol, tobacco and gambling is research on addiction. If we could figure out the physical (brain chemistry) sources of addiction, we might not only make a lot of lives better, but we might put a pretty big dent in the profits these criminals make. And save ourselves a bunch of money on law enforcement and health care, not to mention lost productivity.

Having said all of that, bit of a funny thread for a hunting site!

It is not the government's business to save us from ourselves. That always devolves into criminalizing activities which merely offend people's sensibilities. I dislike the idea of putting people in cages because some other people were offended (not injured, mind, but merely offended) by what they did. "Society" cannot be injured, only individuals can. There are already legal remedies for wives/children who are physically harmed or neglected. We don't need drugs criminalized in order to avail ourselves of those remedies.

But even more than local police, what has the WoD done as far as the federal government believing (and many of us cheering it, btw) it can do WRT over-stepping its bounds? As stupid as Prohibition was, at least there was a constitutional amendment authorizing it. There is nothing in the US constitution which authorizes this "war," and that's a far worse thing than the drugs themselves.

My apologies if this comes across as bristly or hostile.
 
The only economic factor I care about are actual market demands. Every attempt, via Keyensian economic "stimulation," will ultimately have unintended (and often worse) consequences than allowing the market to do its thing to begin with.



Bear in mind I used to be a Houston police officer. Subsequent to that, I was a nurse. I know first hand the effects drugs have on people. But I also have first hand experience with what the war on drugs has done to police departments around the country, and I like that far less than what a few idiots do to themselves and/or their families.



It is not the government's business to save us from ourselves. That always devolves into criminalizing activities which merely offend people's sensibilities. I dislike the idea of putting people in cages because some other people were offended (not injured, mind, but merely offended) by what they did. "Society" cannot be injured, only individuals can. There are already legal remedies for wives/children who are physically harmed or neglected. We don't need drugs criminalized in order to avail ourselves of those remedies.

But even more than local police, what has the WoD done as far as the federal government believing (and many of us cheering it, btw) it can do WRT over-stepping its bounds? As stupid as Prohibition was, at least there was a constitutional amendment authorizing it. There is nothing in the US constitution which authorizes this "war," and that's a far worse thing than the drugs themselves.

My apologies if this comes across as bristly or hostile.

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I agree with you. I also think the breakdown of the family is an issue.
 
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Let's keep it respectful even if we have different opinions or political orientations, thx.
 
You missed the point entirely but you did prove you are from Virginia.

Watch what you say about Virginia! Lol!

I just wish Democrats could use the same terminology for all issues, the gun wasn't purchased illegally, it was just undocumented and was on it's way to a sanctuary home.

Breaking and entering, no its unauthorized residential co-habitation.

Grand Theft Auto, no its undeed ride sharing.

We can fix all of those illegal things and make then better and less offensive.
 
Bushpig must be a major dumb ass.

As in "The Count of Monte Cristo" Alexander Dumas! A literary genius.


Sorry, my demented mind won't allow allow an opportunity to go to waste.:D
 
The only economic factor I care about are actual market demands. Every attempt, via Keyensian economic "stimulation," will ultimately have unintended (and often worse) consequences than allowing the market to do its thing to begin with.



Bear in mind I used to be a Houston police officer. Subsequent to that, I was a nurse. I know first hand the effects drugs have on people. But I also have first hand experience with what the war on drugs has done to police departments around the country, and I like that far less than what a few idiots do to themselves and/or their families.



It is not the government's business to save us from ourselves. That always devolves into criminalizing activities which merely offend people's sensibilities. I dislike the idea of putting people in cages because some other people were offended (not injured, mind, but merely offended) by what they did. "Society" cannot be injured, only individuals can. There are already legal remedies for wives/children who are physically harmed or neglected. We don't need drugs criminalized in order to avail ourselves of those remedies.

But even more than local police, what has the WoD done as far as the federal government believing (and many of us cheering it, btw) it can do WRT over-stepping its bounds? As stupid as Prohibition was, at least there was a constitutional amendment authorizing it. There is nothing in the US constitution which authorizes this "war," and that's a far worse thing than the drugs themselves.

My apologies if this comes across as bristly or hostile.
No need to apologize. While we don't agree on everything, we do actually agree on a fair bit!
 
The "border wall" will not work as currently envisioned. It's a solid wall from CA to El Paso, Texas. Once its reaches Texas, the Texas portion is only around metropolitan areas, the rest of the Texas border is left open. Remember that water will alway take the path of least resistance. You will have hundreds of miles of Texas border without a wall. There is your new path of least resistance. It will increase unlawful and illegal border crossing into Texas.

Of course if you had a solid Texas border, you will have every wildlife NGO suing to stop the wall as it would stop that natural migration of wildlife between Texas and Mexico.
 
I have already seen post about the wildlife. I really don't think there is that big of migration.
 
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As in "The Count of Monte Cristo" Alexander Dumas! A literary genius.
Sorry, my demented mind won't allow allow an opportunity to go to waste.:D

@Wheels and all other well educated participants of this thread, a simple mind from Europe like me explains this connection ?
 

It indeed does. We have for many years noticed that tertiary education has become somewhat of a mockery.

As a graduate from what I believe to be the best medical school in South Africa, namely Stellenbosch University, I can assure you that every student governing body at the various universities in SA are ANC led, or ANC coalition run.

Hence, by your reasoning that dictates that we currently have the best government for our country. We can go into post 1948 National Party University indoctrination here as well. Or most academic- political links over the last 100 odd years.

I am astounded that you advertise your services as a tour guide/ PH in your posts, on a forum where you constantly offend the majority of the members with inflammatory political cartoons, which are cleary opposed to their views.

It must be difficult to be you.
 
I am astounded that you advertise your services as a tour guide/ PH in your posts, on a forum where you constantly offend the majority of the members with inflammatory political cartoons, which are clearly opposed to their views.

Firstly I’m not advertising any services. Secondly I’m offended by THEIR “inflammatory political cartoons”. Should I keep quiet but they are permitted to post their political views? Don’t be silly! Best would be to remove the political forum altogether, it has really nothing to do with hunting.

Is that ‘Weekend at Ginsburg’s’ cartoon more acceptable than the cartoon I posted? I don’t think so. What goes around, comes around.
 
Firstly I’m not advertising any services. Secondly I’m offended by THEIR “inflammatory political cartoons”. Should I keep quiet but they are permitted to post their political views? Don’t be silly! Best would be to remove the political forum altogether, it has really nothing to do with hunting.

Is that ‘Weekend at Ginsburg’s’ cartoon more acceptable than the cartoon I posted? I don’t think so. What goes around, comes around.

I find the exchange on political issues very interesting, even if it gets intense(except personel insults).
I hope it doesn't stop.
But Bushpig is right.
Political views and their statements must apply to everyone.
Large parts of the Trump group here are also not necessarily a haven of tenderness ;)
Stay alert
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