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[Red Leg]

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That explains a lot...

The self-righteous arrogance and willful ignorance of the liberal elite is always amusing to me. It is particularly amusing when parroted by someone in - oh I don't know- South Africa? Bushpig, I have no doubt you are one of the most educated people on our forum. No doubt with advanced degrees from several major universities. But, believe it or not, there are an amazing number of successful (very), well educated (extremely) Americans who are not only registered Republicans, but who also voted for Donald Trump. Many of those same educated voters, like me, see the very clear perils of internationalism, and are strong proponents of nations, particularly our own, operating in our national interests. And frankly, I think it is long past time that we quit worrying about how much that might offend some of our international friends. Lest we forget, allies are forged by shared interests, not largess. I am abroad a bit, and see the caricature of our president provided the rest of the world by the likes of CNN International. Should the Republic survive, I am confident saner future generations will study this period as a case study of out of control media-led propaganda effort. Do I wish our President was more articulate - sure. Do I wish he would pick fewer twitter fights with people who do not matter - of course. But it is my educated belief, if he isn't successful in stemming some of this self-destructive liberal agenda, the Republic as we - and as our allies - have come to depend upon it - will fail.

 

[Foxi]

I suspect it's not so much a wall they object to as Trump. He seems to engender unreasoning, mouth foaming rage in some people.

d'accord.
Obama would build it, no rooster would crow at it.
He had probably rejected more people at the US borders than DT.
It didn't bother the world at all.

The "Berlin Wall" (border between East and West Germany) worked, because it was a death strip.
1,400 km long with landmines on the right and left.
If you wanted to cross it, the communists shot you down.

The world doesn't like your president.
Much is overdrawn, he certainly has to answer for his own share(right word ?)

@ Hogpatrol:
Acting wisely does not mean per se to offend everyone.

 

[mdwest]

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That explains a lot...

I have 2x post graduate degrees..

what does it explain?



My statistics professor in my undergrad program said it best..

"there are 3 types of liars in the world.. liars, damn liars, and statistics.."


You can pretty much put together a stat to support just about anything you like....


So.. lets think about percentages of voters as they are related to college graduates in the US.. and see how those stats pan out....


Among the eldest generation living in the US currently (pre-baby boomers), less than 15% obtained even an undergrad degree.

Among boomers about 22% have a degree (largest generational population living in the US right now).

Gen X = about 24%

Millennials are pushing 36%


When we start talking post grad the separation get significantly bigger.. Millenials are far and away the most educated generation EVER in the US.. between 2000-2012 the number of people moving straight from an undergrad program to a masters program in the US increased by 63%.

By in large Millenials are also the latest bloomers, slowest starters, and least experienced generation however in the US workforce.. not only measured by actual years (which would be unfair since they are the youngest working generation) but also against other generations when they were the same age.. Millenials as a rule work less, work in lower level positions, dont establish their own households, dont become responsible for their own debt, dont get married, and dont have children nearly as early as prior generations...


So.. what does all of this tell us about the HRC getting a higher percentage of voters with post graduate degrees?

Seems to me that it is highly likely she got a much higher percentage of people to vote for her that have done little in their lives other than go to college... that arent thinking about the future for their children (they dont have any), arent worried about the economy (they arent working or are working low level jobs that dont warrant their higher education levels), that dont have a mortgage to pay, and wouldnt have much experience at any of the above even if those things did matter to them since they havent been of legal voting age long enough to know what "right" looks like if it hit them in the face..



But Ill ask you again @Bushpig4Ever since you avoided answering the previous time...

How exactly is it you are opposed to walls in the US when you have walls of your own in South Africa (that border 2 countries.. and have killed numerous people over the years)?




Before I end the post.. lets look at 1 more set of stats...

Greater than 82% of adults that were born to families in the US at the highest income levels have degrees.. but only 8% of adults born to in the lower class obtain them in the US...

So.. if a whole bunch of educated people (the majority of whom are most likely from the younger generations according to the statistics) are voting against trump.. and we know the vast majority of people with educations in the US are from wealthy families..

Who does that make the typical voter outlined in the meme post above out to be?

Sounds like young people raised with silver spoons in their mouths (if you want to believe statistics)...

Is that who we believe should be making all of the decisions in the US?

Is that who South Africa wants making all of its decisions?

 

[Blue Moon]

Sure, Trump could go about things in a smarter way and get more things done, but obviously he's getting energy from flipping the bird at the establishment. And who wouldn't want to do that, biased as they are? I think many (even those that have spent too many years at universities, like myself) can see past manners and visualize a pragmatic policy. Just look at what the progressive socialists and extremist liberals have done to my country (Sweden) the last 10-15 years. It's going down the drain: Education, health care and elderly care are going in one direction while taxes and crime stats are going in the opposite direction. It's going to be difficult for republicans to win elections in the future (10-15 years from now) with the current immigration rate from socialist Latin American countries. It might even be difficult for moderate liberals to win elections.

 

[sgt_zim]

Anecdotal, to be sure...
In my family there are
1 PhD (and retired vice chancellor of one of the largest land grant universities in the country)
2 MD (soon to be a 3rd)
2 PharmD
1 MEd
1 law student
1 grad student (data analytics)
1 BS in education
then there's me, without even a BS.

I didn't vote for HRC. You couldn't get me to vote for a democrat if you stood in a polling booth with me and had a 475 Linebaugh screwed in my ear. But I'm the only one in my family who didn't vote for Trump.

 

[Blue Moon]

d'accord.


The "Berlin Wall" (border between East and West Germany) worked, because it was a death strip.
1,400 km long with landmines on the right and left.
If you wanted to cross it, the communists shot you down.

I once shared an apartment with a guy whose parents succeding in crossing the border. He told some horrifying stories about failed attempts. I can't recall whether they did it by using an air ballon or dug a tunnel, either one it was.

 

[mdwest]

Something else to note regarding the "education" statistic that I forgot to add....

You also have to look at a map of the US..

The 50 most educated counties in the US... guess where they are largely located?

New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Illinois,California, and Virginia..

With the exception of Pennsylvania, every one of those states voted democrat in the last election..

Lets see... those are among the states in the US with the highest crime rates, highest state debt, highest unemployment, etc..etc...

It doesnt appear all of that education is helping them make the best decisions at the state level all that much..

So we want to follow their lead at the federal level?

 

[sgt_zim]

Sure, Trump could go about things in a smarter way and get more things done, but obviously he's getting energy from flipping the bird at the establishment. And who wouldn't want to do that, biased as they are? I think many (even those that have spent too many years at universities, like myself) can see past manners and visualize a pragmatic policy. Just look at what the progressive socialists and extremist liberals have done to my country (Sweden) the last 10-15 years. It's going down the drain: Education, health care and elderly care are going in one direction while taxes and crime stats are going in the opposite direction. It's going to be difficult for republicans to win elections in the future (10-15 years from now) with the current immigration rate from socialist Latin American countries. It might even be difficult for moderate liberals to win elections.

Exactly this. It's on this point where I part with libertarians and objectivists. Far too many people immigrate here without ever stopping to think for a moment that the reason they've voted with their feet to come here is precisely because we are not immersed in the sort of politics which made their prior homes places they wanted to leave.

It happens domestically, too. Californians started getting tired of the taxes and regulation there years ago, so they started leaving. A lot of them landed in Colorado and have turned it blue. They did the same to Oregon and Washington as well. It's the same with a lot of folks who leave the northeast (NY, NJ, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc). With scant few exceptions, the most expensive places to live in the world also happen to be the places with the most government. And those people move to the better places, then vote to ultimately have the same sort of government they fled.

 

[Wheels]

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That explains a lot...

American's with a high school education elected a president (Trump) with a bachelors in business.

South African's with, up to, multiple DPhil's elected a president (Zuma) with a fifth grade education.



Trump has reduced government regulations and taxes. Lowered the unemployment rate to the lowest level in years, while growing the economy at the highest level in years.

Zuma did ??????

How's that doing for ya?

 

[bilmcc]

I would like to see the plans or budget for that part of the wall that is costing $5.x billion. Except for classified projects, and the wall, which is common knowledge, line items are explained in the humongous budget document. I wonder if that money is just to serve as Trump's slush fund, paying, for example, for the flock of new White House attorneys recently hired. Oh, I am sure at least 50 feet of wall would be built, and perhaps some would pay off the good citizens of McAllen, TX, who patiently tried to explain the futility of a wall to Trump on his recent visit. They seem more concerned about security than about the wall.

 

[WAB]

Maybe because no terrorists enter the country via the southern border, but they arrive through the airports?

Terrorists will attack any soft spot. They may not have used it yet, but that is not an excuse not to harden it. I have hunted along the border in NM with retired law enforcement from the area. The cartels bring human mule trains through running drugs constantly. I was more heavily armed for a quail hunt than I ever expected to be! The feds have signs up warning you to enter at your own risk due to illegal smuggling activity. Anyone who thinks we don’t need a hard border needs to man up and go spend some time on it.

 

[bilmcc]

I would like to see the plans or budget for that part of the wall that is costing $5.x billion. Except for classified projects, and the wall, which is common knowledge, line items are explained in the humongous budget document. I wonder if that money is just to serve as Trump's slush fund, paying, for example, for the flock of new White House attorneys recently hired. Oh, I am sure at least 50 feet of wall would be built, and perhaps some would pay off the good citizens of McAllen, TX, who patiently tried to explain the futility of a wall to Trump on his recent visit. They seem more concerned about security than about the wall.

The rest of this post has been blocked. Quoting a part of it is a waste of time.

 

[sgt_zim]

I would like to see the plans or budget for that part of the wall that is costing $5.x billion. Except for classified projects, and the wall, which is common knowledge, line items are explained in the humongous budget document. I wonder if that money is just to serve as Trump's slush fund, paying, for example, for the flock of new White House attorneys recently hired. Oh, I am sure at least 50 feet of wall would be built, and perhaps some would pay off the good citizens of McAllen, TX, who patiently tried to explain the futility of a wall to Trump on his recent visit. They seem more concerned about security than about the wall.

I guess you didn't see the video from a week or two ago at Tijuana where the "Hondurans" kept shouting alahu akbar.

 

[tarbe]

I spent this past weekend in and near Falfurrias, TX.

Most of the people in this area are "hispanic".

I spent about 20 hours in a truck or blind with three different guides - all of them close enough to their roots that their Spanish is better than their English.

I was somewhat surprised that all three supported Trump and his attempts at slowing down illegal immigration by way of the wall.

The most commonly cited reasons were crime and wages.

I also spent an hour talking to one of the cooks, Arthur, whose English was difficult to understand...but his passionate support of Trump clearly came through.

These people are not "racist" or xenophobic. They understand that the current situation with immigration and our border makes them and their families less safe and less prosperous.

It doesn't take a degree in Economics to figure this stuff out!

 

[sgt_zim]

I spent this past weekend in and near Falfurrias, TX.

Most of the people in this area are "hispanic".

I spent about 20 hours in a truck or blind with three different guides - all of them close enough to their roots that their Spanish is better than their English.

I was somewhat surprised that all three supported Trump and his attempts at slowing down illegal immigration by way of the wall.

The most commonly cited reasons were crime and wages.

I also spent an hour talking to one of the cooks, Arthur, whose English was difficult to understand...but his passionate support of Trump clearly came through.

These people are not "racist" or xenophobic. They understand that the current situation with immigration and our border makes them and their families less safe and less prosperous.

It doesn't take a degree in Economics to figure this stuff out!

My barbers are hard-core Texicans, can trace their roots back to the origins of El Campo, when it was just 'the camp'. They are solid behind Trump, too.

 

[Nature Boy]

American's with a high school education elected a president (Trump) with a bachelors in business.

South African's with, up to, multiple DPhil's elected a president (Zuma) with a fifth grade education.



Trump has reduced government regulations and taxes. Lowered the unemployment rate to the lowest level in years, while growing the economy at the highest level in years.

Zuma did ??????

How's that doing for ya?

I would say "horseshit".

 

[Nature Boy]

I would like to see the plans or budget for that part of the wall that is costing $5.x billion. Except for classified projects, and the wall, which is common knowledge, line items are explained in the humongous budget document. I wonder if that money is just to serve as Trump's slush fund, paying, for example, for the flock of new White House attorneys recently hired. Oh, I am sure at least 50 feet of wall would be built, and perhaps some would pay off the good citizens of McAllen, TX, who patiently tried to explain the futility of a wall to Trump on his recent visit. They seem more concerned about security than about the wall.

You missed the point entirely but you did prove you are from Virginia.

 

[Nature Boy]

ILLEGAL immigration is ILLEGAL. That is all you need to know. Can I steal cars? Can I sell cocaine? The numbers are staggering in terms of $$ for health care and education(lol). Culturally, we will be toast if it is allowed. Life is cheap in many of these places. Those people only understand the iron fist, we have zero fist. Thus, they do as they please. It's insulting and a national disgrace. Regarding the 5B for the wall, that is a MUST for Trump or he has NO SHOT to win in 2020, his base demands it. That is 95% of what this is about. Personally, I would budget for speakers and tell all who try to cross, we will shoot on sight. I would mine it and drop bombs from drones as well. Then, let's get serious. Hammer any employers, no visa overstays, etc. It's EASY to stop if we had any leadership who actually cared about the country vs their $$$. Illegal immigration crushes the working poor, crushes state budgets, etc. We don't need poverty as an import, we don't need anymore people, nor does the world. That's far and away the biggest problem.

 

[flat8]

And those people move to the better places, then vote to ultimately have the same sort of government they fled.

Exactly.

 

[WAB]

I spent this past weekend in and near Falfurrias, TX.

Most of the people in this area are "hispanic".

I spent about 20 hours in a truck or blind with three different guides - all of them close enough to their roots that their Spanish is better than their English.

I was somewhat surprised that all three supported Trump and his attempts at slowing down illegal immigration by way of the wall.

The most commonly cited reasons were crime and wages.

I also spent an hour talking to one of the cooks, Arthur, whose English was difficult to understand...but his passionate support of Trump clearly came through.

These people are not "racist" or xenophobic. They understand that the current situation with immigration and our border makes them and their families less safe and less prosperous.

It doesn't take a degree in Economics to figure this stuff out!

I had a tree planting crew at our farm two weeks ago. All legal workers from Mexico. The lead man, Juan, and I had a long talk. He strongly supports a hard border. It is not safe for him to return to his home in Mexico due to cartel activity. In his mind we need to do whatever it takes to keep the same influences out of the US.