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[freefall]

"Trump Will Start WWIII " Says Party Autographing Bombs To Be Launched At Russia- Babylon Bee

 

[DillonG]

But do you then accuse people who don't support your view of being lackeys of the other side?
Ask the guys who liked your post I'm replying to.

I’m not going to start asking people random questions on your behalf. If you would like to ask a question to someone who likes my post, feel free.

I also don’t think people are “lackeys” for disagreeing with my political opinion. I find the subject to be a fun debate, not life or death. If you get easily offended, I would suggest clicking the “ignore” button on me.

 

[Tanks]

This is an excellent piece on the historical and cultural underpinnings of the Russian will to fight and sustain casualties. It also dovetails into some of the economic perspectives offered by Nielson in the commentary that I posted yesterday. As I have noted before, Putin and his regime will keep this up until it suddenly can't.

The lack of ability to respond meaningfully to the Kursk incursion (yes, the UA is still there and gradually expanding their foothold), the ever collapsing inventory of armored fighting vehicles, catastrophic losses in munitions, and the ever more desperate effort to find more canon fodder to feed Putin's generals argues that the Russian Army and State may be reaching a military tipping point. Those casualties and the Russian economic situation create slowly growing societal strains.

Though the author carefully does not address the issue directly, I think it is ever more evident that Putin is counting on a Trump presidency to save him from this fiasco. Listening to Vance's incoherence about international issues only underscores that perception on my part.

Trump seems to think opposite, that Russia is a military juggernaut.

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[Wishfulthinker580]

Infomercial to push his sponsor selling gold certificates.

Doesn’t exactly mean there’s nothing to it.

It’s also your estimation that Kamala is the better choice for POTUS…

 

[Hunt anything]

I see a lot of we’ll warranted criticism of Vances international experience, but I don’t see much on Harris’s plan if you can make it out or find it anywhere and none on Walz inexperience on just about everything.

 

[freefall]

I’m not going to start asking people random questions on your behalf. If you would like to ask a question to someone who likes my post, feel free.

I also don’t think people are “lackeys” for disagreeing with my political opinion. I find the subject to be a fun debate, not life or death. If you get easily offended, I would suggest clicking the “ignore” button on me.

Jeeze cupcake, talk about easily offended...

 

[Datchew]

I have the impression our state dept and president houseplant is not taking this seriously.
In fact I'd say they're acting like he's bluffing.

I suspect they'll interpret it as a sign he's desperate and losing.

And he may be. Who is to say?
But the stakes of this poker game are far too high to merit supporting Ukraine if this is a possible consequence.
Even if it's a 5% probability it's still nuclear war.

I just can't see the juice being worth the squeeze with risk like this being on the table.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838987646456217843

 

[Tanks]

I have the impression our state dept and president houseplant is not taking this seriously.
In fact I'd say they're acting like he's bluffing.

I suspect they'll interpret it as a sign he's desperate and losing.

And he may be. Who is to say?
But the stakes of this poker game are far too high to merit supporting Ukraine if this is a possible consequence.
Even if it's a 5% probability it's still nuclear war.

I just can't see the juice being worth the squeeze with risk like this being on the table.

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He has been rattling the nuclear saber since Day One of aid. F-16s, Himars etc. he has threatened it. The reverse is also true, get out of Ukraine and then there is no more threat. He also knows if he does attack, then Russia will cease to exist.

Plus, all he needs to do is wait if Trump wins, then he will get Ukraine on a silver platter.

 

[Hunt anything]

He has been rattling the nuclear saber since Day One of aid. F-16s, Himars etc. he has threatened it. The reverse is also true, get out of Ukraine and then there is no more threat. He also knows if he does attack, then Russia will cease to exist.

Plus, all he needs to do is wait if Trump wins, then he will get Ukraine on a silver platter.

I understand your logic but a nagging question is if Trump is okay with Russia having parts of Ukraine why did he wait until Biden was in office to invade.

What has Harris said she would do? Increase arms shipments, keep the status quo or what? She won’t answer simple questions much less a complicated question like Ukraine. At least that I’ve seen but I’m so sick of the continuous election cycle I’m almost tuned out.

 

[Datchew]

I agree, he has been giving warnings. It seems pretty arrogant to dismiss them unless we know already he's not capable of backing them up. And if we do, why aren't we playing a slow motion proxy war?

I understand the thought narrative of him being connected with Russia as well.
(even though classically, the democrats LOVE Russia and the fact that the Russian collusion has now been so thoroughly debunked and shown to be funded by the Clintons that it's almost painful to bear the repetition)

But Hunt Anything has a point - why wait until Biden was there?

Also... outside of that narrative mentioned above, we're still risking nuclear war.

So let's follow this thought process.
He knows that Russia will cease to exist if he attacks with nukes? I would agree. That also means a significant (let's be optimistically conservative that some of his weapons are faulty) portion, say I give you 35% of the Western targets are also toast.

If you put that risk together with the supposed gains of preventing Russia from becoming the preeminent military power in the region and helping Ukraine gain independence (except that after they had a democratic vote and we then supported a color revolution to upend it) I still don't see how it ends up as a good thing.

2.8 million people cease to exist at the 35% mark.

 

[Red Leg]

I agree, he has been giving warnings. It seems pretty arrogant to dismiss them unless we know already he's not capable of backing them up. And if we do, why aren't we playing a slow motion proxy war?

I understand the thought narrative of him being connected with Russia as well.
(even though classically, the democrats LOVE Russia and the fact that the Russian collusion has now been so thoroughly debunked and shown to be funded by the Clintons that it's almost painful to bear the repetition)

But Hunt Anything has a point - why wait until Biden was there?

Also... outside of that narrative mentioned above, we're still risking nuclear war.

So let's follow this thought process.
He knows that Russia will cease to exist if he attacks with nukes? I would agree. That also means a significant (let's be optimistically conservative that some of his weapons are faulty) portion, say I give you 35% of the Western targets are also toast.

If you put that risk together with the supposed gains of preventing Russia from becoming the preeminent military power in the region and helping Ukraine gain independence (except that after they had a democratic vote and we then supported a color revolution to upend it) I still don't see how it ends up as a good thing.

2.8 million people cease to exist at the 35% mark.

So, let us indeed follow this thought process. We allow Putin his every objective because he has nuclear weapons………. I suspect Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave, because we have just made this nation a hostage to Putin’s threats and ambitions.

After all, your logic, and that of the historically ignorant isolationists, says we should stand by while he invades a country that has been independent for thirty years because he has nukes. Do some reading about the Balkans and the Baltic coast. Do we roll over again when he moves on Lithuania which has been independent just as long as Ukraine. How about Estonia and Latvia? I guess he should have those as well because, you know, he had nukes. Why not Finland and Sweden, their history of conflict with Russia goes far deeper into history. Or let's make a clean sweep of the whole mess and give him Poland, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic. Then we can put a quarter of million troops back in Germany, raise our defense spending to 5% of GDP and work at ignoring the Pacific.

I think this argument is self-defeating and ignores the reality of the current situation which is whatever Putin does with nuclear weapons, the West can repay tenfold. I assure you Putin realizes this, even if his apologists allies in the West do not.

 

[Datchew]

So, let us indeed follow this thought process. We allow Putin his every objective because he has nuclear weapons………. I suspect Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave, and this nation is a hostage to Putin’s threats.

I'm starting to see a very black and white thought process here.

Or perhaps more accurately, an argument technique that attempts to force those you disagree with into a false binary narrative.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Let me ask a different question. What is the world response or at a minimum the Biden/Harris administration's response if Putin uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine?

I honestly don't know, I dont think we go to war or that any NATO country launches a nuclear weapon at Moscow.

 

[mdwest]

Let me ask a different question. What is the world response or at a minimum the Biden/Harris administration's response if Putin uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine? .

Sadly, my guess is a strongly worded letter and some economic sanctions… and nothing more…

 

[Tanks]

I understand your logic but a nagging question is if Trump is okay with Russia having parts of Ukraine why did he wait until Biden was in office to invade.

Probably not ready until then. And we already know Trump is okay with Russia having parts of Ukraine from Vance's statements.

Let me ask a different question. What is the world response or at a minimum the Biden/Harris administration's response if Putin uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine?

The answer is below:

I think this argument is self-defeating and ignores the reality of the current situation which is whatever Putin does with nuclear weapons, the West can repay tenfold. I assure you Putin realizes this, even if his apologists allies in the West do not.

I would also think if a nuclear weapon went off in Ukraine the fallout would be felt in countries around it. There would be consequences of more than a stern letter.

 

[Red Leg]

Let me ask a different question. What is the world response or at a minimum the Biden/Harris administration's response if Putin uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine?

I honestly don't know, I dont think we go to war or that any NATO country launches a nuclear weapon at Moscow.

I think that is a legitimate question.

First, I do not know, because I am no longer in those circles. However, and contrary to @mdwest, I suspect even the pearl clutchers in the NSC have provided Russia with a clear message that our response would "probably" (remember, we have no restrictive chains on our use of nuclear weapons) be conventional and likely disasterous to a successful Russian conclusion to this war. Assuming responsibility for air and missile defense of Ukraine and allowing them free use of all our conventional weaponry would seem a logical first proportional step.

No one, including Putin knows the actual condition of his nuclear forces. Thermonuclear weapons require constant and very expensive upkeep (it is a tritium thing for those with no experience with the weapons) - something we have seen very little of since the collapse of the Soviet Union. While uncertain of his, Putin and his MOD, despite their bluster, know that virtually every single American and British warhead will strike its target and perform as designed. The Russian nation, its culture, its history, and Putin himself will vanish from the planet.

I am not saying this would not be a worldwide catastrophe, but in that sort of calculus, I see that as an unacceptable exchange for a Putin.

 

[cwpayton]

Let me ask a different question. What is the world response or at a minimum the Biden/Harris administration's response if Putin uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine?

I honestly don't know, I dont think we go to war or that any NATO country launches a nuclear weapon at Moscow.

Most likely our response would be a meeting , a really big meeting , lots of political spin, posturing ,and finally a decision on Ukraine using the longer range missiles, if there is anything left of Ukraine; oh yea and a really big laugh by K amaala CAMMALLA KAMAILLA kamall lla.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I think that is a legitimate question.

First, I do not know, because I am no longer in those circles. However, and contrary to @mdwest, I suspect even the pearl clutchers in the NSC have provided Russia with a clear message that our response would "probably" (remember, we have no restrictive chains on our use of nuclear weapons) be conventional and likely disasterous to a successful Russian conclusion to this war. Assuming responsibility for air and missile defense of Ukraine and allowing them free use of all our conventional weaponry would seem a logical first proportional step.

No one, including Putin knows the actual condition of his nuclear forces. Thermonuclear weapons require constant and very expensive upkeep - something we have seen very little of since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin and his MOD, despite their bluster, knows that virtually every single American and British warhead will strike its target and perform as designed. The Russian nation, its culture, its history, and Putin himself will vanish from the planet.

I am not saying this would not be a worldwide catastrophe, but in that calculus of a Putin, I see that as an unacceptable exchange.

Thats a fair assessment, probably the unknown of what would happen is the only reason is that it hasn't happen.

 

[PARA45]

Does our current administration has the guts to retaliate if Russia uses a tactical nuke against Ukraine?

 

[freefall]

Most likely our response would be a meeting , a really big meeting , lots of political spin, posturing ,and finally a decision on Ukraine using the longer range missiles, if there is anything left of Ukraine; oh yea and a really big laugh by K amaala CAMMALLA KAMAILLA kamall lla.

Don't forget, there would be several "Harrumphs".