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This is - or perhaps was? - Hezbollah's version of Baghdad Bob about to give an update an update on the group's success in its war against the Zionist entity.


If nothing else, one has to appreciate Israeli timing and creativity in their strikes. And to think he was just congratulating himself on leaving the pager with his wife.
 
It is always possible to not vote for president because you deem both candidates unfit. I personally do vote for a candidate every election year. A person can be agnostic on both subjects.
But do you then accuse people who don't support your view of being lackeys of the other side?
Ask the guys who liked your post I'm replying to.
 
That is a legitimate question. Russia was perceived to have had the second most capable army on the planet until they were shown to be something far less. The potential capabilities of their systems led to that original estimate. What was largely unknown was the actual status of their doctrine, training, and organization. That is what has been shown to be pretty bad by US standards.

However, victory has a way of healing a lot of injury. We, and by that I mean the US defense establishment, would assume that Russia will take a litany of lessons learned from this fiasco to apply to their post conflict armed forces in organization, training, and materiel design and acquisition. Being able to do that in the wake of a successful conclusion to this war will be far easier, both economically and politically. Anything that Russia adds as new territory will be an economic bonanza that will help fuel that renaissance.

Defeat, on the other hand, opens the door much wider for corrective measures. Rather than merely fixing an army, perhaps Russia will work at finally fixing their government and national aspirations as well. There are Russians who imagine a state rich in natural resources working closely with Western Europe. Imagine a Russia a generation from now as a contributing member to the EU rather than a 19th century empire threatening all who surround it.

They may also again revert to type. But there too, should this Special Military Operation be perceived as something far less than successful, it will be a generation or more before they again represent a meaningful conventional threat to the West.

Whatever direction Russia takes, Ukraine and its people will have fought and won their right to self-determination. They will have a foundation story, like our revolution, that will unite them for generations. Rather than being yet another subject people under a Russian bootheel, they will have the opportunity to chart a future allied economically, culturally, and politically with Western Europe. Considering some of our bad choices since World War II, in what world is that not in our interests.

Finally, this cost thing is truly an argument for the uninformed. This country spent 6+ trillion dollars last year. The pittance we provided Ukraine truly is a round-off number. Moreover, fully half the defense related contribution was materiel taken out of US storage. An outdated Bradley sitting in the desert will never again carry US troops. Demilling it to scrap metal is incredibly expensive. When we give it to Ukraine, its value (after all tax dollars purchased it) is deducted from the funds allocated to Ukraine. It is an accounting drill. That is true of combat platforms and most munitions we have provided.

Also, this notion that Europe isn't doing their part is another argument for the ignorant. I assume you would agree that if you donated a million dollars to the Red Cross and Warren Buffet did the same that though it would be equal from the perspective of the charity, it would not be exactly the same thing from a donation perspective. You could argue very persuasively that your donation was far more meaningful. The same is true with regard to supporting Ukraine. The US has donated to date approximately .03 % (as in POINT ZERO THREE) of its GDP to the effort in Ukraine. Poland, on the other hand has commited .5% and provided shelter for a million Ukrainian refugees. From a GDP perspective, the US is not quite middle of the pack.

This is as clear an effort in our national interests as I have seen in my lifetime.
A future more constructively aligned to a re-oriented Russia is overwhelmingly sensible and the the best way to balance the future world.
 
Technology is definitely changing the nature of conflict. This word we throw about a bit lightly, 'existential', has profound implications. What we are seeing is that smaller nations facing literally being swallowed up can now stand firm and defend themselves, say NO, you may not! Russia did not have to invade Ukraine, differences could have been sorted out. Iran and it's religious fervor does not have to obliterate Israel, they have it in their heads that that is essential, and they will just have to re-orient. We are currently being given a master class of what a little nation Israel can and will do to defend itself. Likewise what Ukraine has been doing, and no doubt what Taiwan will do.
None of these little nations attacked their aggressor first, but they will fight like maddened leopards because they are fighting for their very existence. And they will win, because technology gives them the tools that were never there before. All of this is right and defendable, and all that the US is being asked to do is support their defence. At the cost of pennies. In my book that seems like a pretty honorable and painless cause.
 
What we are seeing is that smaller nations facing literally being swallowed up can now stand firm and defend themselves, say NO, you may not!

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Colonel Colt made them equal.

Long before we knew what a meme was, there were comics like this...
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This was the issue and who allowed the invasion. If our government stood firm and gave firm warning, maybe the invasion wouldn't have happened.

Yes...absolutely....thank you for noting and posting that....this had to be a factor in Putin's decision to invade.
 
Attached is really good video regarding Russia's ability to sustain the war in Ukraine. One of the themes that pops up regularly in the rightwing oriented non-MSM press and is consequently often reflected in our discussions here by those critical of supporting Ukraine is the assumption that Russia has unlimited resources to continue this war. Hence, it is a mistake for the West and Ukraine to believe the Russians can be outlasted. I personally think anyone can prove that is not true from a materiel perspective with a bit of data a pencil and a napkin on which to do some math.

I have followed Anders Puck Nielson's analysis of the war for over a year now, and he has been one of the clearest and fairest commentators in the litterature. He is a member of the faculty of the Danish Defense College and well respected military analysts. His analysis and conclusions, which focus on some economic realities, are worth a few minutes of time.

 
This is - or perhaps was? - Hezbollah's version of Baghdad Bob about to give an update an update on the group's success in its war against the Zionist entity.


If nothing else, one has to appreciate Israeli timing and creativity in their strikes. And to think he was just congratulating himself on leaving the pager with his wife.

Impressive... and tells a very clear story if Hezbollah is paying any attention at all...

"We know where you are.. we know where youre going to be... we have chosen in the past not to take action against you individually.. but we clearly can any time we like.. and when we do it will be at a time of the greatest advantage to us... like... ummmmm... I dunno... maybe when you are live on TV in front of the rest of the Palestinian world..."...

Ive got to hand it to the Israelis.. they started things out 11 months ago swiftly and strongly.. knew when it was appropriate to take a bit of a tactical pause.. and now are demonstrating the depth and the capability of their intelligence resources as well as their surgical strike capability..

As long as Iran keeps sending in money and resources, I dont think Hezbollah or Hamas will concede to a loss.. but.. much like the Russians in Ukraine, even if the war were to end tomorrow, theyre going to be set back for a couple of decades... while Iran can replace the munitions and continue to incentivize Palestinians to "join the cause" with cash and other accoutrements.. and as a people/culture I think the Palestinian resolve to hate Israel will still be present... you cant replace senior leadership or simply "train up" another substantially sized fighting force overnight.. Its going to be a little while before either Hezbollah or Hamas represent the same level of threat they did to Israel just last year..
 
Impressive... and tells a very clear story if Hezbollah is paying any attention at all...

"We know where you are.. we know where youre going to be... we have chosen in the past not to take action against you individually.. but we clearly can any time we like.. and when we do it will be at a time of the greatest advantage to us... like... ummmmm... I dunno... maybe when you are live on TV in front of the rest of the Palestinian world..."...

Ive got to hand it to the Israelis.. they started things out 11 months ago swiftly and strongly.. knew when it was appropriate to take a bit of a tactical pause.. and now are demonstrating the depth and the capability of their intelligence resources as well as their surgical strike capability..

As long as Iran keeps sending in money and resources, I dont think Hezbollah or Hamas will concede to a loss.. but.. much like the Russians in Ukraine, even if the war were to end tomorrow, theyre going to be set back for a couple of decades... while Iran can replace the munitions and continue to incentivize Palestinians to "join the cause" with cash and other accoutrements.. and as a people/culture I think the Palestinian resolve to hate Israel will still be present... you cant replace senior leadership or simply "train up" another substantially sized fighting force overnight.. Its going to be a little while before either Hezbollah or Hamas represent the same level of threat they did to Israel just last year..

Except from birth to death, they are taught to hate Jews and Israel. Plenty of available replacements in the wings.
 
That is a legitimate question. Russia was perceived to have had the second most capable army on the planet until they were shown to be something far less. The potential capabilities of their systems led to that original estimate. What was largely unknown was the actual status of their doctrine, training, and organization. That is what has been shown to be pretty bad by US standards.

However, victory has a way of healing a lot of injury. We, and by that I mean the US defense establishment, would assume that Russia will take a litany of lessons learned from this fiasco to apply to their post conflict armed forces in organization, training, and materiel design and acquisition. Being able to do that in the wake of a successful conclusion to this war will be far easier, both economically and politically. Anything that Russia adds as new territory will be an economic bonanza that will help fuel that renaissance.

Defeat, on the other hand, opens the door much wider for corrective measures. Rather than merely fixing an army, perhaps Russia will work at finally fixing their government and national aspirations as well. There are Russians who imagine a state rich in natural resources working closely with Western Europe. Imagine a Russia a generation from now as a contributing member to the EU rather than a 19th century empire threatening all who surround it.

They may also again revert to type. But there too, should this Special Military Operation be perceived as something far less than successful, it will be a generation or more before they again represent a meaningful conventional threat to the West.

Whatever direction Russia takes, Ukraine and its people will have fought and won their right to self-determination. They will have a foundation story, like our revolution, that will unite them for generations. Rather than being yet another subject people under a Russian bootheel, they will have the opportunity to chart a future allied economically, culturally, and politically with Western Europe. Considering some of our bad choices since World War II, in what world is that not in our interests.

Finally, this cost thing is truly an argument for the uninformed. This country spent 6+ trillion dollars last year. The pittance we provided Ukraine truly is a round-off number. Moreover, fully half the defense related contribution was materiel taken out of US storage. An outdated Bradley sitting in the desert will never again carry US troops. Demilling it to scrap metal is incredibly expensive. When we give it to Ukraine, its value (after all tax dollars purchased it) is deducted from the funds allocated to Ukraine. It is an accounting drill. That is true of combat platforms and most munitions we have provided.

Also, this notion that Europe isn't doing their part is another argument for the ignorant. I assume you would agree that if you donated a million dollars to the Red Cross and Warren Buffet did the same that though it would be equal from the perspective of the charity, it would not be exactly the same thing from a donation perspective. You could argue very persuasively that your donation was far more meaningful. The same is true with regard to supporting Ukraine. The US has donated to date approximately .03 % (as in POINT ZERO THREE) of its GDP to the effort in Ukraine. Poland, on the other hand has commited .5% and provided shelter for a million Ukrainian refugees. From a GDP perspective, the US is not quite middle of the pack.

This is as clear an effort in our national interests as I have seen in my lifetime.

There was a lot packed in there and I had to digest it a bit.
I can understand your view on the "if-->then" scenarios with Russia in the region a good bit better.

Cost is cost and if it's such a trifle and rounding error, they shouldn't need our tax dollars. Every bit counts and if it didn't, I'd still be buying 1 oz of gold at $1600 like I did 2 Octobers ago.

I can see how some would view this as a parallel for Ukraine to gain their independence such as America did from the British. But I can't quite get there.
I would like to get there, but several things are tripping me up.

Ukraine has a strong and well-earned reputation for being as corrupt as they come.
As in Obi-wan said about Mos-Eisley - "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
And Zelensky is no George Washington.

While people can change for the better, he has a sleazy background as an actor dancing in heels and supposedly playing the piano with his wanker.
(Before anyone asks, I'm not interested in researching that further. :cool:)
**here's your opening to troll about Trump's background Tanks**

He's shut down churches, media that disagreed with him, and oversaw the imprisonment of journalist Gonzalo Lira, an American citizen, who died in prison, supposedly from neglect. Some would categorize that as a war crime.
We are also well past elections deadline so I believe I'm correct in saying he's currently operating as an un-elected dictator.

I did really like one of your statements that said something to the effect of a cold assessment of data to make decisions for our interests or something like that.
It's like an actuary... someone has to put value on loss of limbs and what not. Not a job for everyone.
 
I find it interesting that the people who say lack of support for Ukraine equals support for Putin are the same ones who say lack of support for Trump (to include telling everyone that he is unfit to be President) IN NO WAY means they support Harris.

You need a mic drop emoji for that one.
 
Attached is really good video regarding Russia's ability to sustain the war in Ukraine. One of the themes that pops up regularly in the rightwing oriented non-MSM press and is consequently often reflected in our discussions here by those critical of supporting Ukraine is the assumption that Russia has unlimited resources to continue this war. Hence, it is a mistake for the West and Ukraine to believe the Russians can be outlasted. I personally think anyone can prove that is not true from a materiel perspective with a bit of data a pencil and a napkin on which to do some math.

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Yeah, "the forever wars" is a talking point that is mentioned a lot by the isolationists. As mentioned in the video the west can support Ukraine indefinitely as long as there is political will to do so. Russia not so much.

That being said, Trump has already stated, if elected he would "stop" the war and Vance has already outlined how Trump would go about it.

A lot at stake in this election for the World.

My personal ranking of best compromise scenario to Worst.

Kamala POTUS GOP House GOP Senate
Kamala POTUS Democrat House GOP Senate
Trump POTUS GOP House GOP Senate
Trump POTUS Democrat House GOP Senate
Trump POTUS GOP House Democrat Senate
Trump POTUS Democrat House Democrat Senate

The two possibilities below I have mixed feelings in weighing foreign vs domestic policies.

Kamala POTUS GOP House Democrat Senate -- Possible leftist SCOTUS, still restrained in domestic policy.
Kamala POTUS Democrat House Democrat Senate -- Domestic policy, and SCOTUS Armageddon.

As one can see from above, I consider the GOP Senate the most important of the three branches of the government in this election.
 
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Cost is cost and if it's such a trifle and rounding error, they shouldn't need our tax dollars.
You missed the part about "in relation to our spending". Also, as @Red Leg explained previously, most of the material aid is an accounting exercise as we are providing equipment that has been retired for the most part. Your tax dollars had already been spent, now just being used instead of sitting in a depot somewhere to rot (figuratively speaking).

Jeff Bezos spending a few million dollars on a shopping spree for his fiancé is a rounding error in regard to his wealth, for most people it is greater than a lifetime of earnings.

It's all relative.
 
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Id agree that while the POTUS race is absolutely important.. and that not nearly enough people are thinking deeply enough about the importance of who is going to control the house and the senate..

I dont entirely disagree with @Tanks rank order list.. although I'd put all the trump options on the top and all of the harris options on the bottom...

the two combinations that absolutely terrify me are Harris with a D senate and an R house.. and Harris with a D senate and a D house.. I think either of those outcomes could very easily bring on the end of the republic as we know it.. and have huge negative impact on the western world at large..

any other combo will suck to varying degrees.. but risks could be mitigated and non recoverable problems could be averted (if the R's could figure a way pull their proverbial heads out of their own asses)...
 
The biggest concern for me even if the GOP takes the house and senate and Harris takes the White House would be what kind of crazy assed executive orders she would come up with!
I doubt it would be much worse than what Biden has been doing. She would be stopped from her spending and extreme cabinet, judgeship and SCOTUS options and would not be able to pass her tax policies.
 
The biggest concern for me even if the GOP takes the house and senate and Harris takes the White House would be what kind of crazy assed executive orders she would come up with!

That doesnt scare me too much..

She would definitely try some truly dumb shit...

But without control of either house, and with the judiciary now leaning more right than left.. those orders wouldnt last long... and would likely only serve to piss off the American people so severely that they would ensure 4 years later that she'd be replaced with a republican..
 
It is always possible to not vote for president because you deem both candidates unfit.

Not voting for either candidate is certainly an option, but by doing so, that individual is pissing away one of the greatest freedoms known to mankind. Participation in the process better ensures future existence of the process... And, by not voting, said individual also loses the right to bitch and complain about either candidate or the consequences of their election...
 
I was at a safari camp in Botswana when the DNC choose Harris and Walz. There was a large party of Americans whom by their talk that you couldn't help but hearing, were out and out Democrats. They said of Harris "she is so pretty and smart". But of Walz they said he is "just another gray haired old white dude". Deep assessments, I thought, as the night sounds filtered through and a hyena chuckled at the waterhole.
 

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