PHOENIX PHIL
AH ambassador
I think America has no appetite to invade Russia. Nato... I don't feel as confident. Like all government entities, they exist to grow and metastasize.
I also think Ukraine had at least 2-3 big opportunities to make peace since this started. One supposedly blown up by Boris Johnson (who always looks like he just rubbed a balloon on his hair.)
The other 2, I believe Zelensky passed on the opportunity.
You make a good point about it being their choice, but they appear to have chosen bloodshed, devastation of homeland, and complete financial ruin. Why would we support it?
(Side note - line up the timeline on bond market actions with the handful of banks in UK and EU with the timing of the debt service deadlines Ukraine owes. It's a little overly coincidental. Blackrock, Fideltiy, JPMorgan, PIMCO, etc., are all involved in negotiations that suddenly get "better" with rate and policy changes)
I may be wrong. Won't be the first time. But I don't see Russia going "the full Hitler" (trying to takeover the world) as much as finally putting his foot down for what he views (and I don't, mind you) as an existential threat to his country.
There's also some "re-unify old Russia" type flavor in his head as well I think.
I'll take a stab at speculating that maybe the sticking point is that some of us view lack of support as aid to the Russians. I view lack of support as it's not vital to our interests when other fires are burning brighter so support those instead.
I've been asked before "What about when Putin invades America after we pacify him in Ukraine?"
A - I think it's silly
B - We've been stuck in this 1 data point Chamberlin/Hitler/Churchill though process for too long
C - If he or someone else did invade, because of our poor prioritization of things we should be attending to, they'll takeover a burned out shack.
The idea of NATO as a whole invading Russia without the support of the USA sees about as likely as Sandra Bullock finding me attractive.
I do think if Putin had his wishes he most certainly would continue to make trouble. Putin in reality is the most signficant existential threat to Russia at this point.
I've no idea who has seriously asked when Putin invades America after we pacify him in Ukraine. Eastern Europe however could certainly be game? If there's any aspect where I have agreement with those not in support of Ukraine is that the weakness of Russia.
Russian military strength was greatly over estimated. No one thought Ukraine would last more than few days or weeks when Russia invaded. But Ukrainian resolve was under estimated along with Russia being overestimated. And now thanks to the position Putin put himself in, his military has been decimated. It will take a long time for Russia to rebuild to the not so great state it was in prior to the war, much less one to be greatly feared.
If that's the case, it's a reasonable question to ask then why continue? My answer to that is if Putin wants to continue walking his military of the cliff and all it takes from us is supplying Ukraine with the weapons to help him do that, why not?