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My greatest concern is...

does it matter?

In a normal world whats going on right now would be a clear signal that the D's are done in the 2024 run for POTUS, and that they should focus their efforts on retaining the senate and trying to grab as much of the house as possible so that they can block Trump efforts coming out of the White House..

But we appear to live in the Twilight Zone..

I still believe there are a HUGE number of D's that will vote for anyone other than Trump.. doesnt matter who is on the ticket.. Biden, Newsome, Harris, or Punxsutawney Phil...

And I still believe the D ground game is significantly superior to the R ground game... They will be out ballot harvesting until 1159PM.. and we'll see hundreds of thousands of votes coming in in key states (if not millions) well after most of us have gone to bed....

Then there is the threat of all of the illegals that have come across the border and piss poor state controls that would keep a significant number of non US citizens from voting...

Then, on top of everything else.. Factor in the possibility of state sponsored (i.e. China, Iran, etc) interference.. and the D's purposefully not attempting to do anything to thwart those attempts since they would likely help D's retain power (China definitely would prefer to see Biden or any other D in the White House rather than Trump)..

Im not a "they stole the election" guy in any way, shape, or form..

But I do 100% acknowledge and recognize that politics is a filthy, dirty, elicit game that is largely played by people without morals, ethics, or a sense of anything other than self service.. and that whether we like it or not, the D's of recent history are substantially better at playing the dirty, filthy game..
I think it does matter. Every time Democrats circle the wagons and squash dissent, they squash someone who might have voted Democrat. In effect, they form their own circular firing squad, and this is exactly what we are seeing in real time. It's not just Republicans who see how the media has covered for Biden, even Democrat voters realized they are being lied to.

Unfortunately, the great majority of Democrat voters are so emotionally invested in the lie, no amount of truth will turn them around.

What will make a difference come election day is how many people will the Democrats and their allies and the media turn off while trying to convince voters they didn't see what they obviously did see?
 
The DNC & RNC always have the ability to pull off dirty tricks. Look what they did to Bernie back in 2016, as well as what that rat, Mitch McConnell, did to Blake Masters, and other's.
It's not about what the voter wants, its about what the swamp wants.
 

It's not about what the voter wants, its about what the swamp wants.
You usually call the government entities the “swamp”. The reason we elect people is to handle government functions that go way beyond what the average voter is willing to envision beyond his/her immediate needs.

Now, I agree that agencies at times go way beyond their authority and mandate, so revoking the Chevron doctrine is a step in the right direction of having a representative government.
 
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Well, they knew what they were doing. The real power brokers (Rice, Soros, etc) wanted their puppet. It was a dream in the making for years. The problem is, now the reality of the situation is pretty apparent: He suffers from severe cognitive decline from dementia, Alzheimer's, etc.

They got by long enough with him being manipulatable, but not completely and outwardly demented/impaired.

At this point, it's so glaring they realized they're in trouble. I can only assume they thought they could squeeze out another 4 years and worry about it then.

They got everything that was coming to them.
And even in the first four years enormous damage has been done. The US is in a weaker position on the world stage than it was four years ago. On that metric alone the Biden presidency has been a monumental failure. It doesn't require a doctorate analysis, it is glaringly obvious.
 
One of the more entertaining theatrical renditions of your quotes. Zhukov and Khrushchev determining the fate of Beria.

"Death of Stalin" is a truly brilliant movie that almost no one has ever seen. No special effects, just great ensemble cast acting and set choice. Dark comedy at its best!
 
"Death of Stalin" is a truly brilliant movie that almost no one has ever seen. No special effects, just great ensemble cast acting and set choice. Dark comedy at its best!

My type of humor.:cool:
 
Which may well ultimately be the downfall of the D party this time around..

Make no mistake.. While Obama "endorsed" Hillary, that was entirely out of self interest..

The Obamas and Clintons hate each other with a genuine passion... like cats and dogs level hatred of each other..

If there is a genuine power struggle between the two teams... no good for the D's will come from it..
From your lips to Gods ear!
 
Except.. then they'd have to admit to lying.. .

The White House has now released a letter from Bidens personal physician stating he does not have Parkinson's, isnt receiving treatment for Parkinson's, and isnt taking Parkinson's medications..

Theyve acknowledge the Parkinson's doctors visits.. but are claiming that the guy is a "neurologist" (refusing to call him a Parkinson's specialist), and further claiming that a neurology visit is routine and a normal part of monitoring Bidens health... and going even further to make sure they state that this doctor has been the White House neurology specialist since 2012..

So if he suddenly needs to drop out next week because of Parkinson's.. They dont just have to throw the clown they have hired as the press secretary under the bus for lying, but also the White House physician, and the person that released the statement from the physician, etc..etc.. and declare them all intentional and purposeful liars that were misleading the American people all for the purpose of "Bidens personal business"...

Not a good look for the party that keeps claiming they are the party of honesty and integrity.. and that Donald Trump is the only liar in the room...
Also, our echo chamber here creates the impression everyone believes Biden has been a terrible president. It is worth remembering that half the country truly lauds his accomplishments and even should they feel he has no business running again, he is a far safer choice than what they believe is the danger represented by Donald Trump.

I am not arguing the point, simply pointing out that however bad their candidate is, they are not turning to Trump. For instance, post debate, Trump has managed only roughly a 2 point upper while fully 71% of the electorate now believes Biden shouldn't run, including a solid majority of democrats. In a normal year one would have anticipated a far greater bump for the republican candidate.

By failing to pull off this leadership putsch, I suspect the real damage has been done to democrat turnout. They can mitigate that to some extent in states with mail in ballots, drop boxes, and a strong ground game built around community organizers. But that is not going to help them with demoralized college educated suburban voters whose enthusiasm for their candidate has taken a real blow. I suspect @Saul can offer some valuable insight into that potential issue.

 
It isn't snobbery - it is genuine frustration with what many of us perceive as the simple willful ignorance of our candidate and too many of his followers. This neo-isolationist movement that has been interpreted as "America First" is essentially a withdrawal from our international leadership role. I genuinely believe, based upon a lot of experience and a decent education, that is an extremely dangerous course to follow. It is a siren call that we have turned to at great cost in treasure and blood more than once during the 20th century.

Now if you believe that opinion is one based upon a set of khakis and a blue blazer, then we clearly have no basis for discussion. But there are several members here with broad international business, military, and governmental experience. Virtually all of those in this dialogue have reservations with respect to Trump's grasp of those critical national interests. What I think is overlooked by the isolationists is that those interests are every bit as critical to the future of this country as any opposition to woke world or uncontrolled immigration.

An alliance between a resurgent Russia and China will present us with unimaginable challenges in the coming decades. Why else would Xi attempt to consummate that relationship with Putin at the '22 Olympics? I think only the most willfully ignorant or blindly obedient would not understand nipping those aspirations in the bud is in our absolute national interests and thus actually at the heart of making America First.

As I noted before, I pray for a republican House and Senate (along with a weakened Freedom Caucus to which Trump has contributed enormously). They would have the power to stop Biden (or whomever), mitigate Trump's dumber ideas, and confirm judges.

If it was logic and strategy, it would be a simple act of prioritization.
Can't get Desantis or Nikki or whoever? Nope. You get trump. Don't like trump? Correct.
Is the alternative better or worse? Worse.
So you'll vote for him anyway? Hell no... he's a class traitor and distasteful.

I know I'm drawing a broad brush but from those I've spoken to internationally and domestically, it seems like they just can't get over the fact that he's not going to do things or behave they way they would like him to. So they'd rather sit it out and let the other side win just to show him.

To jump topics a little to what you said about isolationists. First, I don't care how big and credentialed the crowd-think is. Here or elsewhere. And that doesn't mean disrespect to them it just means people should be able to think critically and independently. The old "everybody else is doing it" reminds me of when my old German grandmother used to ask if all the other kids were jumping off a bridge would I do it too?

Further, I think you are simply making a comparison but I'd like to point out that America First is not mutually exclusive with looking after national interests abroad. That's a false binary representation.
Again... I don't think you meant it that way but when people say isolationists, it has a very specific meaning.
America first is simply that. Prioritize America first. We have no functional sovereign border, we've absorbed approximately 20 million illegals that are exhausting our already insolvent tax budgets, we're losing more people per year to fentanyl than the entire vietnam war, and our public school system is full of people intervening between children and parents to convince them to cut their dicks off. Shall I go on?
 
If it was logic and strategy, it would be a simple act of prioritization.
Can't get Desantis or Nikki or whoever? Nope. You get trump. Don't like trump? Correct.
Is the alternative better or worse? Worse.
So you'll vote for him anyway? Hell no... he's a class traitor and distasteful.

I know I'm drawing a broad brush but from those I've spoken to internationally and domestically, it seems like they just can't get over the fact that he's not going to do things or behave they way they would like him to. So they'd rather sit it out and let the other side win just to show him.

To jump topics a little to what you said about isolationists. First, I don't care how big and credentialed the crowd-think is. Here or elsewhere. And that doesn't mean disrespect to them it just means people should be able to think critically and independently. The old "everybody else is doing it" reminds me of when my old German grandmother used to ask if all the other kids were jumping off a bridge would I do it too?

Further, I think you are simply making a comparison but I'd like to point out that America First is not mutually exclusive with looking after national interests abroad. That's a false binary representation.
Again... I don't think you meant it that way but when people say isolationists, it has a very specific meaning.
America first is simply that. Prioritize America first. We have no functional sovereign border, we've absorbed approximately 20 million illegals that are exhausting our already insolvent tax budgets, we're losing more people per year to fentanyl than the entire vietnam war, and our public school system is full of people intervening between children and parents to convince them to cut their dicks off. Shall I go on?
You should feel free to go on as much as you like. So there is no confusion, I meant the term neo-isolationism exactly as I used it. I also believe far too many in the America First movement have no clue about what constitutes a critical national interest. Please note that nowhere did I say that you did not. However, I do put most of the members of the Freedom Caucus in that category.

The fundamental issue is that critical national interests are not mutually exclusive and are not party unique. The fact that an administration is ignoring one doesn't make another any less or more critical because they are supporting another - or vice versa. We should ignore Russia because we are ignoring our border. That is the actual unfortunate binary illogic at work in the current political environment, and it is extremely dangerous to our long term interests.

It would be nice if a few people in my party did try thinking critically and independently. That seems in short supply at the moment.

With respect to that - how did you put it -
how big and credentialed the crowd-think is. Here or elsewhere
Knowledge and experience applies to every subject. If I have a foundation leak, I am far more interested in what a professional plumber with years of experience might think than my neighbor. If I am facing a lawsuit, you better believe that I will turn to the most experienced and capable law firm that I can find. If I am attending a course at university, I am counting on that professor to have broad knowledge and experience in his field.

We have the good fortune to have any number of people participating in this discussion with broad engagement in many aspects of this general subject matter. Most are also well read. I don't always agree with their assertions or beliefs, but I absolutely acknowledge the basis of their opinions. I assure you that respect has nothing to do with khakis and blue blazers but everything to do with their knowledge and life experience. In short, I respect them.
 
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Also, our echo chamber here creates the impression everyone believes Biden has been a terrible president. It is worth remembering that half the country truly lauds his accomplishments and even should they feel he has no business running again, he is a far safer choice than what they believe is the danger represented by Donald Trump.

I am not arguing the point, simply pointing out that however bad their candidate is, they are not turning to Trump. For instance, post debate, Trump has managed only roughly a 2 point upper while fully 71% of the electorate now believes Biden shouldn't run, including a solid majority of democrats. In a normal year one would have anticipated a far greater bump for the republican candidate.

By failing to pull off this leadership putsch, I suspect the real damage has been done to democrat turnout. They can mitigate that to some extent in states with mail in ballots, drop boxes, and a strong ground game built around community organizers. But that is not going to help them with demoralized college educated suburban voters whose enthusiasm for their candidate has taken a real blow. I suspect @Saul can offer some valuable insight into that potential issue.

I have known people affiliated with Democratic politics at some level for most of my life, and I have never before seen this level of despondency amongst the party faithful. One can only imagine what that means for turnout amongst the general populace.

What has changed post-debate is that there is now a palpable fury directed at both Biden and the Democratic Party at large. In 2020, it appeared that Biden understood that his mandate was to prevent Sanders from winning the nomination, and thus give Democrats the best chance of defeating Trump. He was running as transitional, not transformational. The debate, and Biden’s response to the fallout, has laid bare that Biden no longer believes this to be true.

What has not changed post-debate is the belief that Trump poses an existential threat to the world order, civil rights, and American democracy.

At this point, I doubt Biden will be able to win; however, I do think this gives Democrats an advantage when it comes to congressional races. Democrats are at an advantage here as voters except and party leaders understand that their politicians will diverge from the party and president in meaningful ways. This allows there to be substantive distance from Biden.

Republican politicians, on the other hand, seem to be required to pledge fealty to Trump. For those who are already not voting for Trump, they are not likely to be enthusiastic about a candidate aligned with him.
 
Biden is yelling at his teleprompter at the UN 75th speech.

Apparently he was told to show he is strong by yelling at everyone

He also took credit again for NATO members paying their share

He read the notes of what he was to do after the speech out loud

“Military will come out”

Then “Read citation”
 
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You should feel free to go on as much as you like. So there is no confusion, I meant the term neo-isolationism exactly as I used it.
Please define your terms. Isolationism vs. Neo-isolationism. It would seem to me a difference of nothing more than a Greek prefix indicating span in a time domain.


Knowledge and experience applies to every subject. If I have a foundation leak, I am far more interested in what a professional plumber with years of experience might think than my neighbor. If I am facing a lawsuit, you better believe that I will turn to the most experienced and capable law firm that I can find. If I am attending a course at university, I am counting on that professor to have broad knowledge and experience in his field.

We have the good fortune to have any number of people participating in this discussion with broad engagement in many aspects of this general subject matter. Most are also well read. I don't always agree with their assertions or beliefs, but I absolutely respect the basis of their opinions. I assure you that respect has nothing to do with khakis and blue blazers and everything to do with their knowledge and life experience. In short, I respect them.

5-6 years ago, I would have backed you completely on both of these paragraphs. Excepting the country club blue blazer reference. And you'll notice that was a reference to never trumpers and not people on this board per se.

Since then, I have witnessed the majority of what i will loosely refer to as institutions behaving like a sea cucumbers and lemmings. I.e., they turned themselves inside out and committed mass suicide.

Client attorney privilege - gone
Doctor patient privilege - gone
Doxing by the media
Doxing by the academia
Doxing & de-platforming by social media (I refer to them as anti-social media)
Doxing and persecution of political unsavories by the IRS and federal agencies
Banks actively spying on and un-banking customers
Countries in cahoots with banking companies (publicly traded no less!) freezing and on occasion seizing customer assets (Russian treasuries and Canadian truckers)
Federal agencies in a Christianity founded republic actively targeting and persecuting Christians
Medical industry with VERY few exceptions propagating a complete hoax and persecuting those that stood up to question the official narrative
Medical associations canceling hard-won certifications and licenses of doctors for challenging the narrative on a federal agency referring to an anti-malarial drug (that won a nobel prize no less) as horse de-wormer.
Same for the education industry.
Psychology institutions systematically eliminating dissenters over 6-7000 year old common sense understandings of sex and gender.


I'm sure there are some fine fellas on here and largely I like reading what they have to say. Common interests and what not.
But my awarding of credence based on associations and credentials has become so degraded that I've moved beyond Reagan's words of trust but verify. I'm at "don't trust and attempt to verify and then still don't trust."

This isn't knee-jerk. It's objective and frankly, sad. The institutions of the West have grown into the envy of the world until very recently. Now they're banana republic.

Caveat polités if you'll forgive my slang Greek
 
Biden is yelling at his teleprompter at the UN 75th speech.

Apparently he was told to show he is strong by yelling at everyone

He also took credit again for NATO members paying their share

He read the notes of what he was to do after the speech out loud

“Military will come out”

Then “Read citation”

You’re more tolerant than I am. I would throw up if I tried to watch that fool’s speech.
 

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