Politics

[mdwest]

I think most of us can agree, this is a disaster of the Democrats own making. The Democrat machine that so effectively silences internal dissent, is now it's own worst enemy.

My greatest concern is...

does it matter?

In a normal world whats going on right now would be a clear signal that the D's are done in the 2024 run for POTUS, and that they should focus their efforts on retaining the senate and trying to grab as much of the house as possible so that they can block Trump efforts coming out of the White House..

But we appear to live in the Twilight Zone..

I still believe there are a HUGE number of D's that will vote for anyone other than Trump.. doesnt matter who is on the ticket.. Biden, Newsome, Harris, or Punxsutawney Phil...

And I still believe the D ground game is significantly superior to the R ground game... They will be out ballot harvesting until 1159PM.. and we'll see hundreds of thousands of votes coming in in key states (if not millions) well after most of us have gone to bed....

Then there is the threat of all of the illegals that have come across the border and piss poor state controls that would keep a significant number of non US citizens from voting...

Then, on top of everything else.. Factor in the possibility of state sponsored (i.e. China, Iran, etc) interference.. and the D's purposefully not attempting to do anything to thwart those attempts since they would likely help D's retain power (China definitely would prefer to see Biden or any other D in the White House rather than Trump)..

Im not a "they stole the election" guy in any way, shape, or form..

But I do 100% acknowledge and recognize that politics is a filthy, dirty, elicit game that is largely played by people without morals, ethics, or a sense of anything other than self service.. and that whether we like it or not, the D's of recent history are substantially better at playing the dirty, filthy game..

 

[Red Leg]

It would also require a 2/3 majority of Congress. The GOP would be fools to go along with it.

That would seem so, but they also can hardly be seen as willing to keep an unfit president in office for purely political reasons.

 

[skydiver386]

He has basically done nothing in his entire life, as a career politician.


Said this at the onset of all the drama: Anyone who needed 3.5 years to figure out Biden lost the last of his marbles either a) lives under a rock b) is a moron c) is blind/deaf or d) in denial.

Exactly what I've said about Democrats. They saw it with their own eyes, but the Democrat machine that controls the media told them not to believe what they were seeing. A Democrat controlled media that told a lie, and a Democrat audience willing to delude themselves and believe that lie is why Joe Biden is still their Candidate.

2 Timothy 4-3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but having itching ears, they shall heap to themselves teachers in accordance with their own lusts.

 

[Altitude sickness]

“ They will be out ballot harvesting until 1159PM”

In 2020 many ballots came in long after the legal voting period in that particular jurisdiction. Sometimes days.

The Dems sued and won many challenges to allow them to count late ballots, improperly filled out ballots, ETC. The ruling was usually along the lines of. “ we should not disenfranchise any voter. And should error on the side of counting all votes.

And this is part of the argument that the 2020 election was completely on the level. Hey a court upheld the illegal act. So that proves no fraud

 

[Saul]

I am now hearing that the WH is making implicit threats to tank campaigns if there are more defections from Biden. If true, I do not see how this could possibly hold.

 

[flatwater bill]

FWIW: The average 15 year fixed mortgage rate on the day Sleazy Joe took office: 2.27%
The average today? 6.89% (source Meta AI and FRED both nearly agree)
My new neighbor says this added about $900 a month to his new home purchase.
Go Joe! Please. Go.
This is how soaring National Debt affects the common man. (Not the wealthy or well to do, they have cash, no need to borrow. They give up nothing)
FWB

 

[mdwest]

I am now hearing that the WH is making implicit threats to tank campaigns if there are more defections from Biden. If true, I do not see how this could possibly hold.

How does the WH tank campaigns?

He'd have to control the money.. and control the narrative..

At this point I dont think anyone cares what Bidens opinion of them is... hell.. it might HELP a democrat candidate if Biden condemns them publicly at this point...

We're I running for office at any level (municipal, state, federal) and a democrat.. I'd be quietly distancing myself from the White House.. I wouldnt outright call for Biden to step down or cause any ruckus with my constituents that might remain Biden loyalists.. but at the same time I wouldnt be going on talk radio openly lying about Biden still being great for the job, in full control of his faculties, etc..etc.. which would cause ruckus with my constituents that know Biden is essentially an ambulatory (somewhat) ham sandwich in a suit at this point..

 

[HookMeUpII]

Exactly what I've said about Democrats. They saw it with their own eyes, but the Democrat machine that controls the media told them not to believe what they were seeing. A Democrat controlled media that told a lie, and a Democrat audience willing to delude themselves and believe that lie is why Joe Biden is still their Candidate.

2 Timothy 4-3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but having itching ears, they shall heap to themselves teachers in accordance with their own lusts.

Well, they knew what they were doing. The real power brokers (Rice, Soros, etc) wanted their puppet. It was a dream in the making for years. The problem is, now the reality of the situation is pretty apparent: He suffers from severe cognitive decline from dementia, Alzheimer's, etc.

They got by long enough with him being manipulatable, but not completely and outwardly demented/impaired.

At this point, it's so glaring they realized they're in trouble. I can only assume they thought they could squeeze out another 4 years and worry about it then.

They got everything that was coming to them.

 

[HookMeUpII]

How does the WH tank campaigns?

It's been done before lol. Look what they did to Sanders. It's not a far-fetched idea that they could, from the inside, quietly.

The best thing we could hope for is they do exactly that and roll Demented Joe into November and let him lose by double digit margins.

My real worry is they go with the "nuclear option" and put Newsom/Whitmer in as a replacement ticket. I don't know exactly "how" they would do that but it's a scary thought. There are a lot of people who actually feel both of them did a great job in their respective states...as wild as that is to even conceptualize.

 

[Saul]

How does the WH tank campaigns?

He'd have to control the money.. and control the narrative..

At this point I dont think anyone cares what Bidens opinion of them is... hell.. it might HELP a democrat candidate if Biden condemns them publicly at this point...

We're I running for office at any level (municipal, state, federal) and a democrat.. I'd be quietly distancing myself from the White House.. I wouldnt outright call for Biden to step down or cause any ruckus with my constituents that might remain Biden loyalists.. but at the same time I wouldnt be going on talk radio openly lying about Biden still being great for the job, in full control of his faculties, etc..etc.. which would cause ruckus with my constituents that know Biden is essentially an ambulatory (somewhat) ham sandwich in a suit at this point..

As long as the Biden campaign has their people in place at the DNC, they very well could pull campaign funding and support. Whether the DNC would ultimately go along with this, especially if the number of defections dramatically grows, remains in question.

 

[Wheels]

. As Machiavelli wrote in "The Prince," "men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries ..." Ralph Waldo Emerson modernized the sentiment when he wrote, "when you strike at a king, you must kill him"

One of the more entertaining theatrical renditions of your quotes. Zhukov and Khrushchev determining the fate of Beria.

 

[mdwest]

It's been done before lol. Look what they did to Sanders. It's not a far-fetched idea that they could, from the inside, quietly.

The best thing we could hope for is they do exactly that and roll Demented Joe into November and let him lose by double digit margins.

My real worry is they go with the "nuclear option" and put Newsom/Whitmer in as a replacement ticket. I don't know exactly "how" they would do that but it's a scary thought. There are a lot of people who actually feel both of them did a great job in their respective states...as wild as that is to even conceptualize.

That was the DNC and the party at large.. not the White House.. and that was pushing out a POTUS candidate in support of another one (Clinton).... What @Saul was referring to was the WH (Biden) tanking subordinate campaigns (senators, congressmen, etc) if they defect from supporting his bid to stay the nominee..

 

[Altitude sickness]

What can the WH do? Remember this WH is an extension of the Clinton and Obama teams.

They have many dastardly tricks up their sleeves . Send the IRS or the DOJ. The FBI.

They have imbedded team mates in all three.

 

[mdwest]

As long as the Biden campaign has their people in place at the DNC, they very well could pull campaign funding and support. Whether the DNC would ultimately go along with this, especially if the number of defections dramatically grows, remains in question.

I dont follow the DNC closely... but Im not so sure all of the key players at the DNC are staunch Biden loyalists..

Harrison (Chair) might be.. Biden nominated him.. and he seems pretty aligned with just about everything Biden is aligned with...

Korge is an old school Clinton loyalist that has been the Finance Chair since 2019 (pre-dating Biden coming into office)..

And Rae (Secretary) pre-dates Korge.. he's been a senior leader within the DNC since 2017 and has pretty much been aligned with whoever has held the most power at the time from what I can tell dating all the way back to his entry in the DNC in 2004...

Truth be told, the mere attempt to pull funding from other campaigns, whether successful or not, would be detrimental to the party... it would make it clear that the party is eating itself and that people (whether Biden or the DNC leadership or anyone else involved) are acting in their own self interest rather than the interests of the members of the party...

So, naturally I support Biden making those threats.. whether he can actually get anyone to act on them or not..

 

[mdwest]

Remember this WH is an extension of the Clinton and Obama teams.

Which may well ultimately be the downfall of the D party this time around..

Make no mistake.. While Obama "endorsed" Hillary, that was entirely out of self interest..

The Obamas and Clintons hate each other with a genuine passion... like cats and dogs level hatred of each other..

If there is a genuine power struggle between the two teams... no good for the D's will come from it..

 

[Saul]

I dont follow the DNC closely... but Im not so sure all of the key players at the DNC are staunch Biden loyalists..

Harrison (Chair) might be.. Biden nominated him.. and he seems pretty aligned with just about everything Biden is aligned with...

Korge is an old school Clinton loyalist that has been the Finance Chair since 2019 (pre-dating Biden coming into office)..

And Rae (Secretary) pre-dates Korge.. he's been a senior leader within the DNC since 2017 and has pretty much been aligned with whoever has held the most power at the time from what I can tell dating all the way back to his entry in the DNC in 2004...

Truth be told, the mere attempt to pull funding from other campaigns, whether successful or not, would be detrimental to the party... it would make it clear that the party is eating itself and that people (whether Biden or the DNC leadership or anyone else involved) are acting in their own self interest rather than the interests of the members of the party...

So, naturally I support Biden making those threats.. whether he can actually get anyone to act on them or not..

Biden’s support is more amongst the campaign strategy teams as this is more necessary to aligning with the Biden campaign and better using established ground game for multiple candidates.

I agree that an attempt to actually follow through would be met with serious pushback, but often the threat can be enough.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Obama thinks he’s smarter than everyone around him. He thinks the Clinton’s are rednecks. And he knows Biden has always been slow.

But he’s a political animal. And would get in bed with anyone. Or anything if it somehow keeps his hand on the lever.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Here’s my tinfoil hat thought for the day. Ok maybe not the only one.

The 8 Parkinson’s doctor “Neurologist” visits to the Whitehouse in 3 months.

That is the last resort parachute. It was allowed to be “accidentally” leaked.

If he can be talked into stepping down. It will be as the poor, pitiful Parkinson’s patient.

Not the incompetent boob he is.

He our benevolent dear leader. Doing what is best for a great-full nation.

I almost teared up writing his exit strategy.

He will be heralded as Gandhi, the 14th Dalai lama.

Please pray for Dear Leader

 

[mdwest]

Here’s my tinfoil hat thought for the day. Ok maybe not the only one.

The 8 Parkinson’s doctor “Neurologist” visits to the Whitehouse in 3 months.

That is the last resort parachute. It was allowed to be “accidentally” leaked.

If he can be talked into stepping down. It will be as the poor, pitiful Parkinson’s patient.

Not the incompetent boob he is.

He our benevolent dear leader. Doing what is best for a great-full nation.

I almost teared up writing his exit strategy.

He will be heralded as Gandhi, the 14th Dalai lama.

Please pray for Dear Leader

Except.. then they'd have to admit to lying.. .

The White House has now released a letter from Bidens personal physician stating he does not have Parkinson's, isnt receiving treatment for Parkinson's, and isnt taking Parkinson's medications..

Theyve acknowledge the Parkinson's doctors visits.. but are claiming that the guy is a "neurologist" (refusing to call him a Parkinson's specialist), and further claiming that a neurology visit is routine and a normal part of monitoring Bidens health... and going even further to make sure they state that this doctor has been the White House neurology specialist since 2012..

So if he suddenly needs to drop out next week because of Parkinson's.. They dont just have to throw the clown they have hired as the press secretary under the bus for lying, but also the White House physician, and the person that released the statement from the physician, etc..etc.. and declare them all intentional and purposeful liars that were misleading the American people all for the purpose of "Bidens personal business"...

Not a good look for the party that keeps claiming they are the party of honesty and integrity.. and that Donald Trump is the only liar in the room...

 

[wesheltonj]

The neurologist might be there treating him from long term effect from his two embolisms.

On another matter, the Pro-Life R are very upset, that they did not get want they wanted in the party platform. Hopefully, they don’t stay home, but they are usually one issue voters.