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Please define what you think the "MAGA" crowd is exactly?

I think you confuse the term "MAGA" with a "Trump supporter" which are by no means always synonymous.... I am the perfect example of that... Anyone here who is a Constitutionalist, who believes in the rule of law, and loves this country and wishes to preserve its culture and customs is, by definition, "MAGA"... You can certainly be "MAGA" and not necessarily love Trump or blindly embrace his rhetoric. I would further argue that anyone who calls themself a true Reagan conservative should embrace the principles of "MAGA"... If he were here today, I think Reagan, above all else would want to "make America great again"...
I despise the word MAGA.
We are still the greatest country on the face of the Earth with our freedoms, diversity, economy, rule of law and military no matter who is the governing party or President.
As far as culture and customs, they have changed throughout our history and will keep changing adapting to a changing world, either you like it or not.
Culture, often appears fixed to an observer at any one point because cultural mutations occur incrementally but they have been happening faster in modern times.
 
Several things. First, as always, even in disagreement, I appreciate your civil tone and that you do spend time attempting to articulate your positions.

Trump is playing them for no other reason than his ego and desire to resume power.

I absolutely, whole-heartedly believe this to be true. And I do not need Red Leg or anyone else to convince me of it. He is easily the most narcissistic political figure of my lifetime. Trump is about Trump and nothing else. I follow my own conscience, which should be evident by the fact I say I will not vote for him again, rather than follow the lead of a good number of you on this forum. No, Trump is indeed following his own ego and that is, IMHO, his only goal - returning to power.

No matter what you think of his character, his policies worked...

Yes they did. I would note: past tense, which is the correct form of the verb. And I thought him loathsome during his first term as well.

No matter what you think of his character, his policies worked, and they will work again.

And here is where you and I (and others) disagree, and why I won't vote for him: I do not believe - not a single part of me - that his policies will work again. I think he has alienated too many people to accomplish anything close to what he did before. I further believe his mental capacity - his ego specifically - is much greater than it was during his term in office, or rather it's more open. Some of you say it's all for show; I don't happen to believe that. I think we're hearing the real Donald J. Trump, because he is emboldened by his most devout sycophants. He will not get my vote. I'll continue to hope for a last minute miracle that gives me an alternative.
 
I despise the word MAGA.

My only problem with the term is the "again" part...

We should never have had the need to make America great "again".... I should have always been the greatest country on this planet. Sadly, that is changing fast due to many factors including, but not limited to, the erosion and degradation of the culture and morality that used to unite us uniquely as Americans despite our political affiliations. That is no longer the case...

We are still the greatest country on the face of the Earth with our freedoms, diversity, economy, rule of law and military no matter who is the governing party or President.

I completely disagree...

Everything you listed above is under attack by the left by unprecedented means. The governing party and the POTUS have had a direct and profound impact on these principles. To think otherwise is baffling?

As far as culture and customs, they have changed throughout our history and will keep changing adapting to a changing world, either you like it or not.
Culture, often appears fixed to an observer at any one point because cultural mutations occur incrementally but they have been happening faster in modern times.

Of course, customs and culture changes, but that does not equate to progress, hence the term "conservatism"...

The erosion of the American culture, our customs, and the concept of assimilation to these unifying principles is precisely what is under attack by the left. You are G-D right I don't like it and anyone who really loves this country and what it is supposed to stand for shouldn't like it much either...

And here is where you and I (and others) disagree, and why I won't vote for him: I do not believe - not a single part of me - that his policies will work again. I think he has alienated too many people to accomplish anything close to what he did before. I further believe his mental capacity - his ego specifically - is much greater than it was during his term in office, or rather it's more open. Some of you say it's all for show; I don't happen to believe that. I think we're hearing the real Donald J. Trump, because he is emboldened by his most devout sycophants. He will not get my vote. I'll continue to hope for a last minute miracle that gives me an alternative.

I respectfully disagree...

I firmly stand by my previous assertions that Trump can fix a huge amount of what is destroying this country within his first day in office by the stroke of a pen. Particularly where the border invasion and energy independence are concerned. These issues can be addressed immediately and effectively by executive order.

I really feel to many folks like yourself are getting caught up in his rhetoric (which is nothing new by the way), and not paying attention to his actual actions. Frankly, the "pearl clutching" by many anti-Trump republicans is laughable... I will remind you all that in 2015 the left predicted Trump's election would doom the world, the economy would crash, and we would be in WW3 before too long, etc,... Ironically, those predictions are more true for the current POTUS and not the former...

Trump's policies will continue to work in spite of Trump because they are sound, common sense-based policies. I agree that there are other republican candidates who could have done the same thing without all of the drama that the mere mention of Trump's name elicits, but that is not to be... We will have Trump as the republican candidate, and the alternative is no alternative at all if you want to recognize this country in the next 4 years...
 
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Don Trump Jr. on the Hornady podcast.
Discussion of conservation through hunting from 22:45.

"On this episode … special guest, Donald Trump Jr. at the Dallas Safari Club show. The guys start the conversation with how Don was introduced to hunting and shooting sports at a young age and how he dove into the science and art of long-range shooting. The conversation wraps up with Don’s involvement with the Field Ethos brand and his dedication to conservation around the world. We hope you enjoy the show!"

 
For those who support Trump unconditionally, I absolutely respect your right to do that. My own thoughts about him, especially over the past few years, well... I think the Greeks beat me to it.

;) :p

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I think most members on this site would agree that Biden is a historically bad president. I would say he is in a category by himself of really bad. However, we members might not accurately represent a true cross section of today's America.

I recently heard that some group suggested Biden was number 14 on the lists of presidents. Ahead of Reagan and Grant. Imagine that. Trump was listed dead last.

Given all this, it might explain the current polling numbers. Trump and Biden, head to head, is a very close race. Should Trump be kicking butt in the polls, if we are to believe the rhetoric by some of the Trump faithful?

 
I have a hard time believing that any objective ranking could muster Biden out of the bottom 3 or 4. And as much as I have been dogging on Trump because I don't want for him to be my party's nominee for the next election, based strictly on his first term I would think he would rank at least middle of the pack. Perhaps those with a far deeper knowledge of the history of administrations can correct me if I am wrong on that.
 
I‘m curious of what criteria was used, if it was who could raise interest rates, inflation and piss off half of the country, Biden is definitely the man right up there with Carter in my lifetime anyway.
 
All talk about Trump is a waste of time, air, energy, and thought. He WILL NOT be president again, even if he is elected. The ruling class and bureaucrats are playing every card in the deck to keep him out of the Whitehouse without murdering him but if he is elected, they will murder him. They're in charge of the military, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the DOJ, etc. and the media. When Trump dies in his sleep, or his plan crashes, or his house explodes the media will say, "thank goodness" and the DOJ will investigate and determine it was an accident or the act of a disgruntled citizen and that, will be that.

The presidential election of 2024 is going to produce Biden 2.0, whether or not Joe Biden actually runs or wins the election. If you think our borders have been open for the past 3 years, just wait until the US Navy and Air Force start ferrying migrants into the US in 2025. The numbers will likely be in the millions per month.

I would love to be wrong but many of you know I'm not.

The fact of the matter is that conservative Americans need to figure out other ways to defend traditional values. Worrying about Trump is tilting at windmills.
 
All talk about Trump is a waste of time, air, energy, and thought. He WILL NOT be president again, even if he is elected. The ruling class and bureaucrats are playing every card in the deck to keep him out of the Whitehouse without murdering him but if he is elected, they will murder him. They're in charge of the military, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the DOJ, etc. and the media. When Trump dies in his sleep, or his plan crashes, or his house explodes the media will say, "thank goodness" and the DOJ will investigate and determine it was an accident or the act of a disgruntled citizen and that, will be that.

The presidential election of 2024 is going to produce Biden 2.0, whether or not Joe Biden actually runs or wins the election. If you think our borders have been open for the past 3 years, just wait until the US Navy and Air Force start ferrying migrants into the US in 2025. The numbers will likely be in the millions per month.

I would love to be wrong but many of you know I'm not.

The fact of the matter is that conservative Americans need to figure out other ways to defend traditional values. Worrying about Trump is tilting at windmills.
It won't be Biden 2.0, because Biden is Obama 2.0. It will be Obama 3.0 if anything.
 
I will provide the reasoning...

McConnell is the epitome of the "RINO" which is an acronym for "Republican in Name Only" for those who seem to forget or confuse the true meaning of the term. He has earned the title of King of the Swamp creatures by demonstrating time and again his willingness, if not eagerness, to not just over-compromise, but capitulate on policy with the dems who have now moved much farther left than when McConnell began his career in the Senate which I believe was just at the end of the Civil War.

His career body of work has no resemblance whatsoever to that of a Reagan conservative. His motives are purely in the effort to keep the dysfunction and cronyism in D.C alive for what must be no other reason than for personal gain. Aside from all that, his health is now a factor as it is for Brandon. McConnell has had two TIAs in public that we are aware of, and he clearly is no longer capable of functioning as a U.S Senator let alone it's minority leader.

I disagree with your assessment of McConnell's legacy which will be determined by which party holds power in the next 20 years. History is written by the victors, and sadly, I assume the victors will be the socialists who will likely praise McConnell for his assistance in achieving their mission.

Thank you for including me both directly and indirectly in this reply Dave.

With respect to McConnel, you have offered your feelings about him. He is "king of the swamp creatures" and has been guilty of "over compromise" or he has been willing to "capitulate" on policy.
Fair enough. To which policies or legislation are you referring? What should or could he have done differently? A minority leader or majority leader in an opposing party administration, only has so much power. How should or could that power have been wielded differently? Any senate leader has to have the votes.

What he was particularly adept at from an out of power position was in exploiting the filibuster to not just change the court but to also delay and force changes to democratic legislation. His successful use of the ploy so infuriated Harry Reid that he employed the "nuclear option" to end filibuster and push through Obama appointees.

Some key efforts: He led the republican senate fight against Obama care and further tried to insure its repeal. In both he failed. One has to have the votes. However, he did salvage repeal of the individual mandate tax and ended IPAB.

He reshaped both the Supreme Court and Federal judgeship for a generation or more. As majority leader, McConnell pushed more than 230 of Donald Trump’s judicial nominees through the Senate, including three Supreme Court justices. By the end of his tenure, Trump had appointed one-third of federal appeals court judges in the country. Those vacancies were available to fill due to McConnell’s efforts to slow Barack Obama’s nominees during his tenure, giving the Republican president a head start in appointing as many judges as possible at the start of his term.

The most consequential act during the Trump administration was tax reform that lowered corporate taxes. McConnel insured that the final bill accomplished those goals and sailed through the senate.

He used the Congressional Reform Act 16 times to roll back Obama era regulatory measures.

In spite of enormous environmentalist pressure he was able to shepherd through the senate opening of the Alaska refuge to oil production.

He sponsored banking reform legislation and moved it through the senate that provided relief from some of the more onerous requirements of Dodd-Frank and to date has successfully avoided any legislative reinstatement.

The VA Mission Act of 2018 which he sponsored and shepherded into enactment was the first significant and effective reform to the VA since Vietnam. I can speak from personal experience the act dramatically changed among other things the VA assessment and appeals process from the one I first experienced in 2003. The bill also provided the largest funding increase in history for veterans care and services, and modernized the VA’s electronic health record system. And for you more recent vets reading this, I would love to take you back through my VA retirement experience twenty years ago.

There are a lot more.

Oh yes, he also kept Donald Trump in office when it was within his power to have seen him out the door.

Was he likeable? Absolutely not and with Pelosi's retirement, he has become the face of our dysfunctional legislative system.

I won't speak for Dave, but I do think much of the angry right's (sound better than MAGA?) distain for McConnel is McConnel's eventual distain for Donald Trump.

He did in fact say, Trump was “practically and morally responsible”, for January 6, and the demonstrators had “been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth because he was angry he lost an election." That and other comments seem to have made Trump unhappy.

One can hardly blame McConnel because to some extent the discord was also personal. After all, in typical Trump form, he had referred to McConnel's wife, Elaine Chao, as "Coco Chow" or his "China-loving wife." Truly a comedic genius, and I am sure the multitude laughed. I remember Secretary Chao's response and was able to find it. I always thought the two comments exemplified the difference between conservativism and the Trump act.

"When I was young, some people deliberately misspelled or mispronounced my name. Asian Americans have worked hard to change that experience for the next generation. He doesn’t seem to understand that, which says a whole lot more about him than it will ever say about Asian Americans.”

All that said, I suspect McConnel will actually come out and endorse Trump before the election - my guess would be following super Tuesday. Whatever his feelings about Trump, he knows this is the best chance to take and hold the senate that the republicans will have in the foreseeable future. I expect he will do everything in his power to keep the down vote in play. We'll see.
 
A thought crossed my mind today, regarding Trump's VP pick and its importance. Trump gets elected and either promptly resigns or is convicted. In either case, the VP becomes president. Even if it doesn't play out this way, the VP is critical. The Republicans need to set up a strong candidate for 2028.

I also think one of the reasons Nikki Haley is continuing her run is if something happens (conviction, shoots himself in the foot, etc.) to Trump between now and the convention or election.
 
A thought crossed my mind today, regarding Trump's VP pick and its importance. Trump gets elected and either promptly resigns or is convicted. In either case, the VP becomes president. Even if it doesn't play out this way, the VP is critical. The Republicans need to set up a strong candidate for 2028.

I also think one of the reasons Nikki Haley is continuing her run is if something happens (conviction, shoots himself in the foot, etc.) to Trump between now and the convention or election.

I believe that about Haley as well, and am hoping the stars align for her to be in position to do that.

I have had that thought about the VP pick too. At one time, early on, I loved the idea of DeSantis and Noem. I have been disappointed in recent months that Noem has been so pro-Trump. Still, it is something to think about. I said the first two times, in '16 and '20, that I actually cast my vote for Pence.

My most hoped for outcome is there is some sort of Hail Mary play that bails us out before November.
 

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