Politics

[Ray B]

Enough, you guys can keep beating the dead horse. I'm out.

PROMISES PROMISES

 

[Doubleplay]

PROMISES PROMISES

Promise kept because that was about oil discussion. Not the EV's.
You should investigate better.

 

[CoElkHunter]

With regard to electric cars- gleaned from the above comments I calculate that a charging station that operates at 240v and 80a = 19,200 w (19.2kwh) which moves the car 52 miles. Using the average of 1,000 miles per month a car would use 369kwh per month.
The average electricity use in the US is 886kwh per household per month.
If the households had one car and it was driven 1,000 miles per month the electricity use would increase from 886 to 1255kwh, a 42% increase in electrical use.
Just considering the increase load on the power grid (not counting all the infrastructure involved) I do not see that a mass changeover to electric cars is even in the realm of possibility.

Not to mention the MANY 250-400 unit or more apartment complexes they're building just where I live as an example. Can you imagine the cost of the electrical infrastructure to provide even a small number of level 2 charging stations within the complexes? Who would pay for that? I guess the already record rental rates would have to increase so all the EVs could line up at 0300 to charge their cars before going to work.

 

[Brent in Az]

And. ....just like that. The CDC warns of new Covid variants.
I'm sure the Democrat's and their Chinese overlords will unleash something before the election.

 

[cash_tx]

Zeihan's take on the F-16s for Ukraine.

Btw, thank you to whomever put me on to Peter Zeihan; I have enjoyed listening to his content and find it very educational.

 

[fourfive8]

Promise kept because that was about oil discussion. Not the EV's.
You should investigate better.

Explain how to extricate one from another in the context. Now if we get into legitimate long term possibilities for small package vehicle transportation that require some serious r&d, I’m all in. But the current pseudo-green push to cram junk EV down everyone’s throat is simply wasteful and stupid. How about serious effort into r&d of real and practical subs for fossil fuel. Sorry but the current EV push ain’t it! The solution or evolution is likely many years in process. I’d be more interested in kicking around fusion/plasma small package energy than the current battery based electric motor EV crap

 

[Doubleplay]

Explain how to extricate one from another in the context. Now if we get into legitimate long term possibilities for small package vehicle transportation that require some serious r&d, I’m all in. But the current pseudo-green push to cram junk EV down everyone’s throat is simply wasteful and stupid. How about serious effort into r&d of real and practical subs for fossil fuel. Sorry but the current EV push ain’t it! The solution or evolution is likely many years in process. I’d be more interested in kicking around fusion/plasma small package energy than the current battery based electric motor EV crap

I have no idea what you're talking about. That discussion was about the oil production and price which was mostly about politics and have nothing to do with facts of global supply and demand.

Secondly as far as EV's:

I don't own one.
I don't advocate them.
I'm not going to buy one in the near future.

As far as EV push nobody is pushing anything. Buy and drive whatever you want.
Car manufacturers are independent companies in a global capitalist environment trying to maximize their profits for their shareholders,
When most of them say they'll stop production of combustion engines in the mid 2030's everybody should pay attention including sceptics.
They have a lot of brilliant scientists working for them and I'm not stupid enough to question their decisions but I'm old enough not to care much because probably I won't see how this will play out.
Respectfully.

 

[Red Leg]

I have no idea what you're talking about. That discussion was about the oil production and price which was mostly about politics and have nothing to do with facts of global supply and demand.

Secondly as far as EV's:

I don't own one.
I don't advocate them.
I'm not going to buy one in the near future.

As far as EV push nobody is pushing anything. Buy and drive whatever you want.
Car manufacturers are independent companies in a global capitalist environment trying to maximize their profits for their shareholders,
When most of them say they'll stop production of combustion engines in the mid 2030's everybody should pay attention including sceptics.
They have a lot of brilliant scientists working for them and I'm not stupid enough to question their decisions but I'm old enough not to care much because probably I won't see how this will play out.
Respectfully.

 

[Doubleplay]

Explain how to extricate one from another in the context. Now if we get into legitimate long term possibilities for small package vehicle transportation that require some serious r&d, I’m all in. But the current pseudo-green push to cram junk EV down everyone’s throat is simply wasteful and stupid. How about serious effort into r&d of real and practical subs for fossil fuel. Sorry but the current EV push ain’t it! The solution or evolution is likely many years in process. I’d be more interested in kicking around fusion/plasma small package energy than the current battery based electric motor EV crap

Another example of how auto and oil companies are to trying adapt. These are all capitalist for profit companies.
They are not doing this because of charity. They know what's coming either we like it or not.

Shell has EV-charging-only mobility hubs in China and the Netherlands, in addition to the Fulham location. The company intends to own more than 70,000 public EV charge points worldwide by 2025, and 200,000 by 2030, according to an email statement from Barbara Stoyko, senior vice president of mobility for Shell Americas.

BP also sees the need for mixed-use hybrid refueling and EV charging stations, according to Sujay Sharma, chief executive of BP’s electric vehicle charging business in the U.S. “Today’s gas stations are well positioned to adopt EV charging due to locations in high-demand areas, in addition to their existing convenience offerings including restrooms, food and beverage,” Sharma stated in an email.

Franchise car dealers are also increasingly getting on board, thanks to pushes from automakers like GM and Ford.

As of late last year, 65% of Ford’s dealers had opted into the EV certification program (a little under 2,000, according to data shared by Ford), as it has started to make the role of car dealers central to the EV transition process.

The National Automobile Dealers Association said in a May release that franchise owners will spend an estimated $5.5 billion on EV infrastructure across OEM brands, with per store costs ranging from $100,000 to over $1 million.

 

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[rookhawk]

Another example of how auto and oil companies are to trying adapt. These are all capitalist for profit companies.
They are not doing this because of charity. They know what's coming either we like it or not.

Shell has EV-charging-only mobility hubs in China and the Netherlands, in addition to the Fulham location. The company intends to own more than 70,000 public EV charge points worldwide by 2025, and 200,000 by 2030, according to an email statement from Barbara Stoyko, senior vice president of mobility for Shell Americas.

BP also sees the need for mixed-use hybrid refueling and EV charging stations, according to Sujay Sharma, chief executive of BP’s electric vehicle charging business in the U.S. “Today’s gas stations are well positioned to adopt EV charging due to locations in high-demand areas, in addition to their existing convenience offerings including restrooms, food and beverage,” Sharma stated in an email.

Franchise car dealers are also increasingly getting on board, thanks to pushes from automakers like GM and Ford.

As of late last year, 65% of Ford’s dealers had opted into the EV certification program (a little under 2,000, according to data shared by Ford), as it has started to make the role of car dealers central to the EV transition process.

The National Automobile Dealers Association said in a May release that franchise owners will spend an estimated $5.5 billion on EV infrastructure across OEM brands, with per store costs ranging from $100,000 to over $1 million.

The oil industry has been buying up EV patents since the 1990s. Think of them just like big tobacco that bought up all the e-cigarette companies and then ran non-profits trying to get people to give up tobacco. Literally, cannibalizing their own market to survive.

That's what big oil has done for most of our adult lifetimes. Bought into the next technologies. In 100 years, the oil companies probably won't even have oil production. They're pretty savvy on controlling energy and automotive industries by any means.

 

[WAB]

If this transition is really going to start we’d better all start investing in solar systems for our homes!

 

[rookhawk]

If this transition is really going to start we’d better all start investing in solar systems for our homes!

Solar isn't the half of it. If we're worried about scarcity of resources, the need is in-home battery storage for power, whether you obtain that from a grid, hydro, wind, solar, or by peddling a bicycle hooked to a generator.

 

[mdwest]

Solar isn't the half of it. If we're worried about scarcity of resources, the need is in-home battery storage for power, whether you obtain that from a grid, hydro, wind, solar, or by peddling a bicycle hooked to a generator.

Yep...

Ive got a friend thats lived in Haiti since the late 90's... his house is 100% off the grid.. largely because the grid is close to worthless where he is (up the mountain in Peitonville, outside of Port Au Prince)..

His biggest challenge isnt generating power.. between his solar and wind systems he generates more than enough to keep his house running 24/7/365..

His biggest challenge is power storage.. keeping his battery banks serviced, operational, functional, etc.. has been the most long term expensive and difficult part of the equation for him..

 

[jeanes]

by peddling a bicycle hooked to a generator

"Soylent Green" ??

 

[rookhawk]

"Soylent Green" ??

 

[Ray B]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Respectfully.

To paraphrase Abe Lincoln- A person who says nothing is thought to be stupid- another talks and removes all doubt.

 

[WAB]

To paraphrase Abe Lincoln- A person who says nothing is thought to be stupid- another talks and removes all doubt.

Really????

 

[Doubleplay]

To paraphrase Abe Lincoln- A person who says nothing is thought to be stupid- another talks and removes all doubt.

"The study of psychology teaches us that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling".
Not by Abe Lincoln.

 

[Brent in Az]

Commie Joe scumbag, is quickly selling off the border wall materials that is supposed to be used to finish the wall.
This action came after a Republican suggested giving this material to Texas, so that the state could finish it.

Going for two cents on the dollar.

There's not enough rope........