A Question for Democrats (My Rant)

[BWH]

So you want a Single Payer Healthcare system?????

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Yes, we have not been successful at winning the special elections. That being said, we were not supposed to. When you normally lose by 20 points and now you only lose by 5 points, it provides a realistic opportunity (and frankly expectation) to win in purple districts where the past few cycles have been much much closer.

As stated and I will sadly not dispute, the democrats have overall lacked a backbone. Yes we have Clinton, Biden, Sanders, and Warren - but they are pretty much the only ones willing to bark as loud as many many republicans. Now just because you are the loudest it does not make you correct, but that is the way to win elections in the United Sates.

Because of this, I do agree with your assessment that we are unlikely to take a super majority in congress after the '18 election. That's not our objective though; we want to take a super majority from the 2020 election and 2018 will serve as a building block to that. Our goal is to ensure Trump or Pence is a lame duck president after next year and we prevent him from doing our country (or at least our agenda) harm. Then in 2021 we can achieve (by force if we have to but I think there will be some republican votes like there was in the Affordable Care Act) single payer medicare for all health care. That should and will be our top priority.

Single payer huh? I was just having a conversation with @Spooksar about this. He was down from Canada a few weeks ago with his wife. They came down to get her into a doctor at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale. Want to know why?


By the way the rest of your post scares the shit out of me and truly makes me fear for our country. Idiots like Reid helped set a standard and precedent by dropping the 2/3 majority in the Senate. Then the jackass Chucky Schumer intent on just this kind of bullshit and not wanting to take the blame entirely forced the hand of the Republicans with the Gorsuch nomination. And you're happy to go along with it and use it for your own agenda? Idiots never learn that the pendulum swings both directions.

 

[curtism1234]

So you want a Single Payer Healthcare system?????

Yes, as Senator Sanders is most famously quoted for saying, "We are the only major country on Earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people as a right".

 

[Royal27]

Yes, as Senator Sanders is most famously quoted for saying, "We are the only major country on Earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people as a right".

That's what we should strive for. To be like the rest of the world.

 

[Pheroze]

Yes, as Senator Sanders is most famously quoted for saying, "We are the only major country on Earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people as a right".

Please don't confuse universal access to health care to single payor. The successful examples are all in Europe and the UK. They have both a public and private mix. The single government payor system in Canada is a total disaster. I have a lot of contact with it because of my focus on medical malpractice. Health care is terribly expensive and it consumes over a third of the provincial budget. That means all other programs starve. Particularly the silent vulnerable who are made up of kids and elderly.

Care for children in the usa, such as services for autism and surgeries, is way ahead of us.

Instead of limits on payment we have denial/delayed access. Waiting lists for back surgeries for example are about a year. Access to diagnostic imaging is also restricted.

The biggest problem is that the patient has no value. All funding comes from the government, so the patient is a cost. Think Gulliver's Travels where they try to build the house from the roof down. Where insurance is allowed the patient has value because they bring the dollars with them.

Toronto had more open beds in 1968 than now.

We have one bureaucrat for each doctor.

By all means make sure the social safety protects the vulnerable. But, absolutely do not give the government the cheques.

 

[charleslabounty]

Gun control laws have nothing to do with gun safety, it is about government control of people.
Single payer has nothing to do with health care, it is also about government control of people.

AND, make no mistake about that --- the world is so jealous of Americans individual freedoms.
However, we are at a tipping point. Can we pull back from full on socialistic policies of full on government control ????
I worry.
"Single payer" would push us over the edge of no return.
Any body been asked by there Dr. if they have gun in the house.???
What do you think that was about!

 

[Brent in Az]

Anybody see the Baby Charlie story in England? The British court ordered the terminally ill child to be taken off life support, and would NOT ALOLLOW the parents to fly the child to the USA, for an experimental surgery.

Sure. Sign me up for the government healthcare death panel.

 

[BWH]

First of all anyone that wants to compare the USA to another country is simply being ignorant..... because you can't. Because a "policy" applies in one country doesn't mean it will elsewhere. So let's end that debate right now.
Why would you want Gov to being in the health insurance business..... why any insurance business..... why any business other than politics? You are asking an insutitution to take control of something that Free Enterprise can do much better, and raises the bar for.... in everything.

I get it, there are people out there.... typically the left, the unionist, the gov employees..... that say take 30-50% of my check, and just take care of me for life, and keep their fingers crossed as they are rocking in the fetal position in the corner.
We/no country or nation rose the greatness with that formula. End of story. No debate.
We can all have our own opinions.... Thankfully! I am grateful for that right!
However, opinions are like assholes..... we all have one, and we think others stink.

 

[BWH]

Last question...... Should the Gubment take care of my car insurance, home insurance, LTC, long & short term disability, motorcycle, boat, ATV, RV, Farm & ranch, business, work comp, etc. insurance?

Where does it start & stop?

 

[cagkt3]

Most government programs create dependency - period. Often things start out with the best of intentions, but soon are taken advantage of. The welfare system in the US is out of control. While it does help many families, there are also many that simply take advantage of it. Politicians love dependency on the government, because it keeps them in power. That goes for both Dems and the GOP.

Single payer does not guarantee medical care - as @Pheroze mentioned earlier. Many that support a single payer system assume it does, and that is off base - it simply guarantees medical coverage. Coverage does no good if you cannot get in to see a doctor or specialist for 6 months to a year. Sure, if you have an immediate medical emergency you will get in (heart attack). But more often than not there will be a wait. Also, many believe single payer is "free" - you still have a percentage you will have to cover.

 

[Pheroze]

I really can't say enough bad things about single payor. And, personal injury law does not really help the infirm elderly or disabled kids. So, you end up with a silent horror of people being sacrificed on the alter of policy. Come sit in my office as I talk to the survivors.

The problem is healthcare is very expensive. It takes technology and highly qualified people, both of which are expensive to pay for. Having multiple payors spreads the load. That's also why Obama needed everyone to sign on, because you need the premiums. In Canada they tackle the problem through delayed access, introducing lower qualified personnel, and delisting. Still the vulnerable die slow deaths in beds. But, relief in Canada is on the way...the option of euthanasia is now legal. Whew! We can unload those costly seniors.

 

[Royal27]

Where does it start & stop?

Way too difficult for you to understand Brad....

But never fear, the government will tell you!

 

[LivingTheDream]

It is funny in 2008 Biden was considered a political liability due to his gaffs and wasn't taken that seriously for president. And in 2016 halfway through the primaries everyone was hoping he would jump in to bring sanity to the whole thing. I have followed politics a long time and remember laughing when Bernie Sanders announced he was running, due to the fact that he is a self proclaimed socialist (I didn't laugh with Trump because I didn't think he was serious). It was scary how rabid his supporters are (don't worry the same could be said about Trump supporters). I honestly didn't give Trump a second thought until I was at a camp fire in South Africa in August 2015, and everyone there said America needs Trump, he is the only one that can beat Hillary. Which looking at how the electoral map broke, he might have been the only one to beat Hillary. Rubio and Cruz though better politicians I do not think could have built a message/base that reasonated in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

I was sick of Democrats telling me if only there was a more well spoken, moderate conservative we could surely vote for them. All I ask is did you vote for Mitt Romney...Oh you didn't well Enjoy Trump.

 

[BWH]

Way too difficult for you to understand Brad....

But never fear, the government will tell you!

Yeah.... I have no doubt that they will tell me how smart they are, how dumb we are..... fall in a go & do as told.

Call me deplorable, an infidel, whatever..... I prefer patriot or American.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Last question...... Should the Gubment take care of my car insurance, home insurance, LTC, long & short term disability, motorcycle, boat, ATV, RV, Farm & ranch, business, work comp, etc. insurance?

Where does it start & stop?

Wait the government is now offering RV insurance? If it meant k didn't have to watch another progressive or geico insurance commercial it might be worth it.

 

[BWH]

LOL!!!!! Amen!!!!!

 

[Brent in Az]

I voted for Ted Cruz in the primary. A constitutionalist.

I didn't trust Trump that much. He does seem to be trying hard to keep his promises. He will have an uphill battle against the swamp dwellers.

25 Democrats have already signed on under article 25, to try and declare Trump mentally unfit to be President.

8 years of Democrat lawlessness under Obama. Now the Dem's have been stripped of their agenda, they are freaking out.

 

[Brent in Az]

President Trump is trying to intervene in the Baby Charlie case. Chances of survival are slim, but he deserves every chance.

God bless you Mr. Trump!

 

[BWH]

Yeah.... the losers that are petitioning that are the bottom of the swamp scum BTW..... I mean look at the trash like Maxine Waters, Al Green, etc.

 

[BWH]

Let's say he were to be removed...... Then you have Mike Pence, who is much further right, conservative, faith based & well liked. Democrats would just love that..... Careful what they ask for.