35 Whelen vs 9.3x62

[Viral_SIGness]

.338 Ruger Compact Magnum?

I mean the full size case. But yes, you use the .338 RCM die to make it.

 

[CoElkHunter]

I mean the full size case. But yes, you use the .338 RCM die to make it.

I noticed Ruger cut their .375 case down a bit for the .338RCM. Why? It already fit in a standard long action? Stupid! Now the .338RCM is almost non existent along with most of the other shortened and/or fat cartridges.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

bob,
i just looked up the 338-06, 338 win, 35 whelen, and 9.3x62 in the wood leigh loading manual (i am sure they use lower pressures than you are) i was trying to compare apples to apples so in that manual 2400fps was a max for the Whelen. so i tried to use that velocity as a measuring stick. i also realize that the SAAMI pressures for each cartridge are different. below is a small extrapolation of the info in the wood leigh manual:

338-06: about 50 gr avg to get 2400 fps with 250 gr bullet.

35 whelen: about 57 gr average to get 2400 fps with 250 gr bullet
(avg across all types of powder)

338 win: about 66 gr avg to get 2400 fps with 250 gr bullet

9.3x62: about 58/59 gr avg to get 2400 fps with 250 gr bullet

i suspect that one would NOT need 30 gr more powder to get similar velocity with the 338 win. (maybe you meant 30% not 30 grains) is the 35 whelen more efficient than the 338 win? yup. is it more efficient than the 9.3x62? barely. now are we after efficiency? performance? bullet weight? muzzle energy?

i think there is not a huge difference ballistically between the whelen and the 9.3. the edge of bullet weight or velocity with similar weights (at the same pressures) would go to the 9.3 it would appear.

there are more things than just pure performance to weigh in picking a caliber, available rifles, bullets, ammo, what kind of game hunted, etc. etc. I would pick the 9,3 but...i'm not right and you are not wrong. that is why there are blondes, brunettes and redheads, everyone has their own "favorites"

i do appreciate a guy that champions his cause and your handle on this site seems to proclaim a certain...bias.

i suspect that not many animals could tell the difference of which caliber they were shot by at any reasonable range and similar bullet.

@dirthawker
To max load for the 338 win mag is 77 grains of powder for a 250 grain
The max load for the Whelen is 64 grains for r a 250 gr
A 20% increase in powder to get the same velocity.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen

I went back and made you a .375-308 Pictured here with a .375 Ruger

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@Viral_SIGness
Some I made up from my 25 Epps Newton improved 25,27,30 and 35. Did it just for shots and giggles when I was bored.
Bob

 

[bruce moulds]

i have looked at the 9.3x74 necked up to 40 cal.
bruce.

 

[bruce moulds]

sometimes you need to be careful of long bodied cases when necking up, as the neck ends up where the bullet ogive is unless you go with a longer mag.
bruce.

 

[Viral_SIGness]

I noticed Ruger cut their .375 case down a bit for the .338RCM. Why? It already fit in a standard long action? Stupid! Now the .338RCM is almost non existent along with most of the other shortened and/or fat cartridges.

Length of the bullets. If you look, you will notice the .338 RUM is shorter than the 7mm, .300 and .375.

 

[Viral_SIGness]

@dirthawker
To max load for the 338 win mag is 77 grains of powder for a 250 grain
The max load for the Whelen is 64 grains for r a 250 gr
A 20% increase in powder to get the same velocity.
Bob

That goes for any comparison when comparing a larger bore to a smaller one. A .300 Win Mag can push a 180 to 3000 with less powder than a 7mm Rem Mag takes to push a 180 to 3000.

 

[DG870]

I'd like to see a pic of the .375-.300WM if you ever find one. Like many things, I've thought about a .375-.338WM since I have a lot of .338 brass? Interesting .260 Improved wildcat?

It’s already been done. 375 in a 338 case.
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[DG870]

375 Taylor. The picture didn’t post.

 

[CoElkHunter]

375 Taylor. The picture didn’t post.

Well, I know it’s been done many decades ago. But the .375 Taylor is evidently slightly different than the .375-.338? The difference either way is negligible, but Redding lists their custom dies in .375-.338, but they don’t list the .375 Taylor? Maybe somebody else makes them?

 

[Viral_SIGness]

It’s already been done. 375 in a 338 case.
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I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel. I have a huge cartridge collection, and just made some things that look neat to add to it.

 

[DG870]

It looks like the 375/338 and the 375 Taylor are the same according to this reference. I’d imaging this cartridge is even more obsolete after the 375 Ruger was introduced. Wouldn’t be a bad cartridge.

 

[CoElkHunter]

It looks like the 375/338 and the 375 Taylor are the same according to this reference. I’d imaging this cartridge is even more obsolete after the 375 Ruger was introduced. Wouldn’t be a bad cartridge. View attachment 394811

Interesting? Maybe I could just neck down my .416 Taylor cases with my .375 H and H die and have a .375 Taylor? Maybe the wildcat cartridge “investigators” Bruce Moulds and BobNelson35Whelen could chime in with their take on this matter? And/or maybe the up and coming wildcatter Viral SIGness could chime in? Viral already has shown on this thread his propensity for and ability to create wildcats for today’s “man bun” shooting world.

 

[1dirthawker]

as stated above, i had a client that had a 375/338 win. he told me his numbers for 300 gr bullets and they were very close to 375 H&H velocities as i remember. he shot a 6.5' black bear and a 8.5' brown bear with i think it was barnes x bullets. both were DRT.

 

[Viral_SIGness]

Interesting? Maybe I could just neck down my .416 Taylor cases with my .375 H and H die and have a .375 Taylor? Maybe the wildcat cartridge “investigators” Bruce Moulds and BobNelson35Whelen could chime in with their take on this matter? And/or maybe the up and coming wildcatter Viral SIGness could chime in? Viral already has shown on this thread his propensity for and ability to create wildcats for today’s “man bun” shooting world.

Your .375 H&H die should size it, but the neck won't be Win Mag style. I was able to make my dummy round by pushing a 300WM case into the .375 Ruger sizer to open it up.

The .375 Taylor and .375-338 are indeed one in the same.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Your .375 H&H die should size it, but the neck won't be Win Mag style. I was able to make my dummy round by pushing a 300WM case into the .375 Ruger sizer to open it up.

The .375 Taylor and .375-338 are indeed one in the same.

If you look at the photo that DG870 provided, the .375-.338 case has a longer neck than the .375 Taylor Chatfield case? The .375 Taylor’s neck length resembles my formed (from .458WM brass)
.416 Taylor case? Unless the photo is playing an optical illusion with my eyes? I guess it’s a moot point because a barrel chambered with a longer throat would fit either cartridges. A little free bore could be beneficial anyways? The photo states the bottom pictured case was made in SA. They probably ran a .458WM case through a .375 Taylor die, thus the shorter neck like my .416 Taylor? Or, ran the WM case through a .416 Taylor die (more common) and then ran it through a .375 H and H die, which created the shorter necked .375 Taylor? I’m just surmising cause I don’t really know. I guess I should run a .416 Taylor case through my .375 die just for neck sizing. I’m still working on a .416 Lott, but I jacked up one case cause I didn’t have the .416 Taylor die high enough in the press and kind of crushed the Lott case shoulder. I NEED MORE TIME!

 

[Viral_SIGness]

If you look at the photo that DG870 provided, the .375-.338 case has a longer neck than the .375 Taylor Chatfield case? The .375 Taylor’s neck length resembles my formed (from .458WM brass)
.416 Taylor case? Unless the photo is playing an optical illusion with my eyes? I guess it’s a moot point because a barrel chambered with a longer throat would fit either cartridges. A little free bore could be beneficial anyways? The photo states the bottom pictured case was made in SA. They probably ran a .458WM case through a .375 Taylor die, thus the shorter neck like my .416 Taylor? Or, ran the WM case through a .416 Taylor die (more common) and then ran it through a .375 H and H die, which created the shorter necked .375 Taylor? I’m just surmising cause I don’t really know. I guess I should run a .416 Taylor case through my .375 die just for neck sizing. I’m still working on a .416 Lott, but I jacked up one case cause I didn’t have the .416 Taylor die high enough in the press and kind of crushed the Lott case shoulder. I NEED MORE TIME!

That could just be the picture got the edge cut also. I did find this

 

[CoElkHunter]

That could just be the picture got the edge cut also. I did find this
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Look how much longer the neck is vs the .375 Taylor pictured? I don’t know, I’ll have to do some more investigation?

 

[Viral_SIGness]

Look how much longer the neck is vs the .375 Taylor pictured? I don’t know, I’ll have to do some more investigation?

I am investigating. Did find that there was brass made for the 375 Taylor