35 Whelen vs 9.3x62

[CoElkHunter]

I am investigating. Did find that there was brass made for the 375 Taylor

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Wow, we’re leaving the original topic of this thread in the dust? But, since there was no consensus (and never will be) as to the .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62 debate, we must continue forward with our quest.
As a circus sideshow, here’s a .416 Taylor case formed from .458WM brass obviously on the left and my jacked up attempt at the .416 Lott. Good thing I unscrewed the decapper rod! A couple more turns up with the Taylor die and I’ll be there. Reload wildcats free or die! Ha! Ha!

 

[Viral_SIGness]

Wow, we’re leaving the original topic of this thread in the dust? But, since there was no consensus (and never will be) as to the .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62 debate, we must continue forward with our quest.
As a circus sideshow, here’s a .416 Taylor case formed from .458WM brass obviously on the left and my jacked up attempt at the .416 Lott. Good thing I unscrewed the decapper rod! A couple more turns up with the Taylor die and I’ll be there. Reload wildcats free or die! Ha! Ha!

Here are some other wild ones.

.458-416 Rigby, .404-375 Ruger, and .458-350 Rem Mag

 

[Deleted member 53080]

Here are some other wild ones.

.458-416 Rigby, .404-375 Ruger, and .458-350 Rem Mag
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Would the .458-416 Rigby actually be the 450 Rigby?

 

[Viral_SIGness]

Would the .458-416 Rigby actually be the 450 Rigby?

Your guess is as good as mine. A friend sent these to me, and the head stamp is scratched up. That would make sense, there is a 50R written on it. I measured the bullet and found it was .458. 450 it is, thank you for that!

 

[Forrest Halley]

Here are some other wild ones.

.458-416 Rigby, .404-375 Ruger, and .458-350 Rem Mag

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Your number system is backwards. Parent case first...a la .450/.400...tsk tsk!

 

[Viral_SIGness]

Your number system is backwards. Parent case first...a la .450/.400...tsk tsk!

I have a .450/400 and it looks nothing like what I posted above.

 

[Forrest Halley]

I have a .450/400 and it looks nothing like what I posted above.

Sigh...the parent case numbers come first...then the new diameter...just like the .450/.400...I know there isn't one there.

 

[Viral_SIGness]

Sigh...the parent case numbers come first...then the new diameter...just like the .450/.400...I know there isn't one there.

No, here in Murica it is written new diameter then parent. Please refer to the .30-378 and .338-378 and apologize for your wrongness.

 

[Forrest Halley]

No, here in Murica it is written new diameter then parent. Please refer to the .30-378 and .338-378 and apologize for your wrongness.

This system only works with necking down of cases. Otherwise it sounds like you have a chamber shaped like a Smith carbine.
Please rename your cases as .404 Ruger and .458 Remington Short Magnum to further confuse everything.
I'll have to circle back to you on my wrongness.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel. I have a huge cartridge collection, and just made some things that look neat to add to it.

@Viral_SIGness
Have you got a 38 cal Dardeck tround.
Yes it is real it is a cashless triangular round.
Bob

 

[Viral_SIGness]

@Viral_SIGness
Have you got a 38 cal Dardeck tround.
Yes it is real it is a cashless triangular round.
Bob
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Noooo I do not! That's cool.

 

[Viral_SIGness]

This system only works with necking down of cases. Otherwise it sounds like you have a chamber shaped like a Smith carbine.
Please rename your cases as .404 Ruger and .458 Remington Short Magnum to further confuse everything.
I'll have to circle back to you on my wrongness.

First, I'm just kidding, and second, I didn't make them. Just used the names the creator gave them.

 

[Forrest Halley]

First, I'm just kidding, and second, I didn't make them. Just used the names the creator gave them.

I know...you've been inducted into our club of jokesters. Welcome!

 

[Forrest Halley]

So might this be in a double? Bruce!

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What kind of powder are they using in this? It's long enough you'd think they'd be coming in a cigar box.

 

[CoElkHunter]

What kind of powder are they using in this? It's long enough you'd think they'd be coming in a cigar box.

Forrest,
I wouldn't have any idea? Surely, one of the double rifle collectors here would have one, if not they need to have one built and be the first one in their double club with one. If all else fails, I'm sure Bruce Moulds could extrapolate the reloading data from a 9.3x74 and share with you the data.
CEH

 

[bruce moulds]

c e h,
from memory the cartridge used about a 190 gn bullet, in other words an express load.
it had a short neck to cater for short bullets.
rifles would have probably had a twist to suit light bullets.
i think it was around in about 1900, so who knows what powder was used..
extrapolating a load from 9.3x74 might be a bit risky.
certainly the cartridge would suit break open guns or falling blocks more than repeaters.
with the bullets it was designed for, probably a 270/280 would be far more useful.
bruce.

 

[shootist~]

Cordite, possibly.

 

[bruce moulds]

there were all sorts of semi smokeless powders, semi developed smokeless, and of course black was still in use to some degree.
the cartridge was obviously developed with black powder technology as its basis, as being an express it needed speed, and a light bullet with a massive charge achieved this.
when smokeless finally took over guys were shocked at the increase in performance.
bruce.

 

[CoElkHunter]

there were all sorts of semi smokeless powders, semi developed smokeless, and of course black was still in use to some degree.
the cartridge was obviously developed with black powder technology as its basis, as being an express it needed speed, and a light bullet with a massive charge achieved this.
when smokeless finally took over guys were shocked at the increase in performance.
bruce.

I think a "modern" type of Cordite smokeless powder would be interesting? Pre measured by grains spaghetti or fettucine noodle sized strands of powder. Hand load them into the cartridge case. It would be more convenient and quicker than changing powder in hoppers? With our modern magnum primers of today it probably wouldn't be a problem igniting the strands? I'm just brimming with great ideas! Ha! Ha!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

c e h,
from memory the cartridge used about a 190 gn bullet, in other words an express load.
it had a short neck to cater for short bullets.
rifles would have probably had a twist to suit light bullets.
i think it was around in about 1900, so who knows what powder was used..
extrapolating a load from 9.3x74 might be a bit risky.
certainly the cartridge would suit break open guns or falling blocks more than repeaters.
with the bullets it was designed for, probably a 270/280 would be far more useful.
bruce.

@bruce moulds
Stuff it full of FFG black powder or trail boss and go bang.
Bob