35 Whelen vs 9.3x62

Maybe he could use my creation. The .375 CreedMORE

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Then he could still feel like a man, and keep his man card?
.375 Crudmoor? Nice! Now you've done it! A new wildcat for the large bore wildcatters on here. You need to start a thread here and have Bruce Moulds and Bob Whelen work up some loads for it. I'll bet with a 235 or 250gr bullet, It'll become a very attractive cartridge for the "man larger bun" crowd!
 
this is an interesting thread and i will attach some more information to it. (i own neither a 35 whelen OR 9.3x62 ...yet ;)

this is a list of cartridges and their water capacities in grains taken from 2 sources:

30-06 69 gr
35 whelen 70/71 gr
338 winchester 85/86 gr
9.3x62 77gr
9.3x74r 82gr
375 h&h 95gr

so, clearly the 9.3 has an advantage in case capacity. also as bore diameter is increased, the same weight of projectile, at the pressure...the larger the bore, the faster the larger/more energy the larger bullet will go with the same power plant. there are efficiency gains, take for instance the

7mm mag: 3000 ft lb 175 gr
338 win : 4000 ft lb 250 gr
458 win: 5000 ft lb 500 gr

3006- 3000 ft lb 180gr
35 whelen 3500 ft lb 250gr

of course this is a generalization. it would appear that a 35 whelen with less case capacity AND bore diameter, pushed to the SAME pressures would have slightly less energy with the same weight bullet.

now @Bob Nelson 35Whelen this is not me dirt shirting your favorite caliber, this is just an observation based on previous information i have seen/read i will follow this up with an article from a site called impact Dynamics
1 dirthawker,
I own neither a .35 Whelen, 9.3x62 or even a .30-06. Not that I wouldn't want to own one or all of them some day. But for now I only have a lowly .338 WM with more case capacity than any of the former mentioned cartridges. Sucks to be me I guess? Ha! Ha!
CEH
 
I need to add this. I do not own or condone the Crapmoor. I think its an over hyped load of crap, that does nothing the .260 never did. It just proves if you stick it on every gun rag cover, every issue, it will sell.

My wife shopped for, and bought her own rifle. She found one she liked, and I kept my mouth shut about it being 6.5 CM.

The picture I attached, is where I took one of her fired cases, ran it in a 300 WM die, then my .375 Ruger die. I made it as a joke and posted it on another forum. Guys are already talking up its merits, and I don't doubt someone will have one soon. The middle in that picture is a 7mm version.

My coolest goof-around creation is a 7-08 case with the CM shoulder. So basically a .260 Improved.

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Or maybe my .375-300 Win Mag, which I can't seem to find a pic of.

I have no association with the MBGAOP.
I'd like to see a pic of the .375-.300WM if you ever find one. Like many things, I've thought about a .375-.338WM since I have a lot of .338 brass? Interesting .260 Improved wildcat?
 
.375 Crudmoor? Nice! Now you've done it! A new wildcat for the large bore wildcatters on here. You need to start a thread here and have Bruce Moulds and Bob Whelen work up some loads for it. I'll bet with a 235 or 250gr bullet, It'll become a very attractive cartridge for the "man larger bun" crowd!
@Bob Nelson 35Whelen

I went back and made you a .375-308 :) Pictured here with a .375 Ruger

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.358 Win, .35 Whelen, 9.3x62

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Well, I know the '06 has been necked up to .40 (.400 Whelen), not sure about the 9.3, but I think you might have a winner with the .375 Winchester? I don't know that it's been necked up above .35? Actually, the .375 Winchester is based on the straight walled .38-55 rimmed case, so you have a different cartridge based on the .308 case.
 
@CoElkHunter

7-08, .260 Imp, 6.5 CM, .375-300, .375 Ruger

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The "260 Imp", I actually call the .265 IWB (I Was Bored)
Your .265IWB (perfect!) appears to blow the Crudmoor out of the water ballistically? The .375-.300 appears to give the Ruger a run for it's powder charge? Especially if one has copious amounts of .300 brass laying around? Where's those reloading ballistic gurus Bruce and Bob at? They go to bed already?
 
.416 Taylor 400gr Barnes Original left, .416 Rigby 400gr Hornady DGS right

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Well, I know the '06 has been necked up to .40 (.400 Whelen), not sure about the 9.3, but I think you might have a winner with the .375 Winchester? I don't know that it's been necked up above .35?
the 9.3x62 is pretty close to a 9.3-06. i believe the 06 has been necked up to .411 or 416, can't remember what they called it. if you have a 338 win, you have a great cartridge already!! i had one and hunted it for 20 years. ended up trading in for a 375 ruger. shot lots of deer, caribou, moose and bears with the .338 win.

the 338 case is a great starting point for a wildcat, a 375/338 was a wildcat a client had, did a great job on a brown bear. of course the 416 is a 416 taylor, another great cartridge.
 
the 9.3x62 is pretty close to a 9.3-06. i believe the 06 has been necked up to .411 or 416, can't remember what they called it. if you have a 338 win, you have a great cartridge already!! i had one and hunted it for 20 years. ended up trading in for a 375 ruger. shot lots of deer, caribou, moose and bears with the .338 win.

the 338 case is a great starting point for a wildcat, a 375/338 was a wildcat a client had, did a great job on a brown bear. of course the 416 is a 416 taylor, another great cartridge.
Yeah, I know we're constantly splitting hairs here with these cartridges as far as actual effect on game animals. But, it's fun and entertaining this time of year with no real hunting seasons available and not much else going on here in the U.S. Heck, you can't find much ammo to just shoot with! I was in a local gun store today, and they had a bunch of Remington .25-06 for $20/box and 7.5x54 (Chinese?) at $20/box. Everything else was $40-60/box. I haven't had time to reload much. So, here we are?
 
Your .265IWB (perfect!) appears to blow the Crudmoor out of the water ballistically? The .375-.300 appears to give the Ruger a run for it's powder charge? Especially if one has copious amounts of .300 brass laying around? Where's those reloading ballistic gurus Bruce and Bob at? They go to bed already?
I think my .265 has potential, now that you mention it. I made these for fun, while sitting around talking with my son. It does obviously have more case capacity, and has the 25° shoulder. In a 1:8 barrel, it would be phenomenal.
 
the 9.3x62 is pretty close to a 9.3-06. i believe the 06 has been necked up to .411 or 416, can't remember what they called it. if you have a 338 win, you have a great cartridge already!! i had one and hunted it for 20 years. ended up trading in for a 375 ruger. shot lots of deer, caribou, moose and bears with the .338 win.

the 338 case is a great starting point for a wildcat, a 375/338 was a wildcat a client had, did a great job on a brown bear. of course the 416 is a 416 taylor, another great cartridge.
My .375-300 has slightly more capacity.
 
agreed,

i bet the neck is a bit short tho. in practical terms is not a huge deal tho. the 30-338 is pretty close in performance to the 300 win with a little less powder.
 
agreed,

i bet the neck is a bit short tho. in practical terms is not a huge deal tho. the 30-338 is pretty close in performance to the 300 win with a little less powder.
I never found the neck to be an issue on a .300 Win Mag. I've told mine repeatedly, that it can't be accurate with only a .264" neck. Stubborn are keeps shooting 1/2" groups lol

I could see the .375 needing a little more neck though.

I'm a huge fan of the .375 Ruger case. If I ever have another .338 it will be built on it.
 
I never found the neck to be an issue on a .300 Win Mag. I've told mine repeatedly, that it can't be accurate with only a .264" neck. Stubborn are keeps shooting 1/2" groups lol

I could see the .375 needing a little more neck though.

I'm a huge fan of the .375 Ruger case. If I ever have another .338 it will be built on it.
.338 Ruger Compact Magnum?
 
Well somebody both stoked up Bob and managed to further castrate a .375 all in the same day. I like it.

Hey maybe we can make it subsonic and sell it to the AR fanboys with a K Can and call it the .375 Toot shooter: worlds smallest elephant gun! Works right along the lines of more for less.
 
Well somebody both stoked up Bob and managed to further castrate a .375 all in the same day. I like it.

Hey maybe we can make it subsonic and sell it to the AR fanboys with a K Can and call it the .375 Toot shooter: worlds smallest elephant gun! Works right along the lines of more for less.
Forrest,
That is a GREAT idea with the AR platform! Nothing else out there like it!
CEH
 
yup,

i remembered the gist of his thoughts were that it is a terrific rifle. the book was next to me, so i looked it up:

"it was an excellent weapon and a great killer" "My friend, the german hunter to whom i frequently refer, used on of these rifles fitted with a Zeiss scope and killed most of his elephant with it. It is strongly recommended if you can get the shells for it, but it may be that this cartridge will not be loaded again."

my impression is that the 9.3x64 is a ballistic equivalent to the 375 h&h. one could nit pick about which one is the best comparing those 2 as well. even if the 9.3 was ever so slightly better than the 375 ballistically, i would likely pick the 375 simply due to availability of guns and ammo.

but, the 9.3x64 is a legit big game cartridge!
yup,

i remembered the gist of his thoughts were that it is a terrific rifle. the book was next to me, so i looked it up:

"it was an excellent weapon and a great killer" "My friend, the german hunter to whom i frequently refer, used on of these rifles fitted with a Zeiss scope and killed most of his elephant with it. It is strongly recommended if you can get the shells for it, but it may be that this cartridge will not be loaded again."

my impression is that the 9.3x64 is a ballistic equivalent to the 375 h&h. one could nit pick about which one is the best comparing those 2 as well. even if the 9.3 was ever so slightly better than the 375 ballistically, i would likely pick the 375 simply due to availability of guns and ammo.

but, the 9.3x64 is a legit big game cartridge!
So might this be in a double? Bruce!

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