Good point. I have worked up loads with Varget, Rl15, Rl16, Rl17, 4350's, 4831s and H100V and 4955 plus a few more. Anything faster than 4831s benefits from a wad. Yes you can increase powder charge by about 3 grains for the RL16, Rl17 and 4350's without using a wad but less cost and better...