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Tanks said:
Karl Marx would be proud. Those that are well-off are an easy target. Heck, many Trumpies love Trump because he "will stand against the swamp". You can't get swampier than a real estate developer in NYC. It is amazing how he can make the working class people feel hat they can relate to him.
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I find it really sad. I voted for this guy twice based upon the alternative, but the snake oil he sells is outrageous, non more so than the swamp. Ask the average foot soldier in the Trump brigades what that means and he or she immediately starts pointing fingers at RINO's as led by the likes of Romney or McConnell and any other Republican who doesn't support Trump with unquestioned loyalty. There are ample examples throughout this thread.

He knows that there is absolutely nothing he can do about elected representatives of the people. But he is happy to seemingly champion whatever it is his followers believe he can do (while they hurry down ballot to support Mitch et al).

Second, I suppose are the various appointed agency heads. FBI Director Ray seems the current most hated swamp creature. Of course he was was appointed by Donald Trump. :unsure: I would agree that the bureaucracy is getting out of control, but what exactly did Trump do his first time around to restrain it?

What I find really objectionable is his use of campaign funds to pay his current legal fees. Most of those are currently coming in from individual donors - many of whom could probably be using those dollars somewhere else - a billionaire using blue collar contributions to pay his lawyers. Only in America.
 
cash_tx said:
Just started to listen to this interview with Col. Douglas McGregor by Tucker Carlson, but it clearly tries to establish the perspective that the Ukrainians are doomed and there will be a direct fight between the US/NATO and Russia. I am a neophyte on the geopolitical stuff, but this prompted me to dig up Red Leg's post on this from April to re-read it. I would be curious to hear the group's current thoughts on this:

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I posted this with respect to the good colonel back in January.

Douglas Macgregor is a pathetic remnant of an American army officer. I should also add that he and I served at the same time. My comments are not an opinion but an informed observation.

During Desert Storm, as a 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment (ACR) squadron (armor battalion) S3 he performed competently at the battle of 73 Easting where the 3rd ACR destroyed a BDE+ of the Tawalkana Republican Guard mechanized Infantry division. The lead elements initially in contact with the Iraqi division were commanded by then Captain HR McMaster (Trump's first National Security Advisor and retired 3-Star). The battle was orchestrated and conducted by then Colonel Don Holder who would later retire also as a Lieutenant General.

In writings and interviews after the Gulf War, Macgregor took ever more credit for the performance of the the Regiment during the battle. He even eventually published a book further glorifying his heroics. The Army and many of us who were there have a very different view.

In the late nineties as a serving Colonel, he wrote a book called "Breaking the Phalanx." It argued that the Army's organizational model built around brigades and divisions was outmoded and that the whole army should be reorganized around battalion-sized battle groups. The Army leadership found the thesis interesting, but not particularly compelling - particularly since the author had no experience commanding at the Brigade or division level.

Self promotion, particularly at the expense of other fellow warriors, is not a characteristic much admired in my army. Macgregor was never selected to command a brigade or for promotion to general officer. The esteem with which he held himself was incompatible with the Army's view of his qualities. Upon retirement, he created a role for himself as a critic of the institution whose self evident corruption was demonstrated by his failure while less deserving men like Holder and McMaster were rewarded.

Over the years he became a regular on Russian R1 where he provided criticism of the American way of war and lauded Russian reorganization reforms that created the Battalion Tactical Groups that greatly resemble the recommendations in his book. At the start of the war, he was a regular guest on Tucker Carlson where he would intone in his John Kerry voice that Ukraine "had already lost;" that the Russian Army was the most competent in the world, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

Along with his friends in the Russian propaganda studios, he has become an "expert" source for the isolationist wing of the American right.

He is also repeating a classic bit of false history with respect to Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor.

I have no use for him.
 
WAB said:
I have listened to it. I am amazed at the appeal. IMO he’s not a very good singer and it’s not a very good song. And the comment on Marx is spot on. This song should appeal to the Dems not the republicans.
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He admits that he is not the best singer, guitar player, or song writer. The appeal is most people feel that way, no matter what side of the party lines you are on. I'm not sure how it should appeal to Dems not not Republicans? He is talk about the value of the dollar is not what it used to be, that we are getting taxed more than we should. Heck he ever brought up the "Island" which everyone as stayed away from.

Maybe I'm missing what you are hearing? Songs are very interpretative, I can see how two people can see it in a different light.
 
Red Leg said:
I find it really sad. I voted for this guy twice based upon the alternative, but the snake oil he sells is outrageous, non more so than the swamp. Ask the average foot soldier in the Trump brigades what that means and he or she immediately starts pointing fingers at RINO's as led by the likes of Romney or McConnell and any other Republican who doesn't support Trump with unquestioned loyalty. There are ample examples throughout this thread.

He knows that there is absolutely nothing he can do about elected representatives of the people. But he is happy to seemingly champion whatever it is his followers believe he can do (while they hurry down ballot to support Mitch et al).

Second, I suppose are the various appointed agency heads. FBI Director Ray seems the current most hated swamp creature. Of course he was was appointed by Donald Trump. :unsure: I would agree that the bureaucracy is getting out of control, but what exactly did Trump do his first time around to restrain it?

What I find really objectionable is his use of campaign funds to pay his current legal fees. Most of those are currently coming in from individual donors - many of whom could probably be using those dollars somewhere else - a billionaire using blue collar contributions to pay his lawyers. Only in America.
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I agree wholeheartedly with this, it is depressing it has come to this in a country that has provided so much good to the world. I’m sick of Trump but given the alternative if it comes down to it I will hold my nose turn my head and cough and vote for him again. SAD
 
This is interesting. I have no clue about the source. Would appreciate ya’lls point of view on this subject.

 
WAB said:
I have listened to it. I am amazed at the appeal. IMO he’s not a very good singer and it’s not a very good song. And the comment on Marx is spot on. This song should appeal to the Dems not the republicans.
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Except for that jab at the fat guy getting welfare to pay for his Twinkies or whatever it was. I'm not a country music fan generally nor this song. But I did listen to the lyrics and interpreted this song to be more a punch at all politicians including Dems.
 
Inline6 said:
He admits that he is not the best singer, guitar player, or song writer. The appeal is most people feel that way, no matter what side of the party lines you are on. I'm not sure how it should appeal to Dems not not Republicans? He is talk about the value of the dollar is not what it used to be, that we are getting taxed more than we should. Heck he ever brought up the "Island" which everyone as stayed away from.

Maybe I'm missing what you are hearing? Songs are very interpretative, I can see how two people can see it in a different light.
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I’m referencing the vilification of the wealthy. Financial reward for hard work and sound decisions is the bedrock of our country. Perhaps I’m reading more into it than is intended.
 
Jfet said:
This is interesting. I have no clue about the source. Would appreciate ya’lls point of view on this subject.

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It makes some since, seems as if anyone we have fought before are now allies, England ( the war of 1812), Japan and Germany (WW2)to name a few and a couple of WW2 allies China and Russia are our biggest foes.
 
WAB said:
I’m referencing the vilification of the wealthy. Financial reward for hard work and sound decisions is the bedrock of our country. Perhaps I’m reading more into it than is intended.
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I did not get that out of the song, he is talking about politicians (rich men north of Richmond, DC)
 
Red Leg said:
I find it really sad. I voted for this guy twice based upon the alternative, but the snake oil he sells is outrageous, non more so than the swamp. Ask the average foot soldier in the Trump brigades what that means and he or she immediately starts pointing fingers at RINO's as led by the likes of Romney or McConnell and any other Republican who doesn't support Trump with unquestioned loyalty. There are ample examples throughout this thread.

He knows that there is absolutely nothing he can do about elected representatives of the people. But he is happy to seemingly champion whatever it is his followers believe he can do (while they hurry down ballot to support Mitch et al).

Second, I suppose are the various appointed agency heads. FBI Director Ray seems the current most hated swamp creature. Of course he was was appointed by Donald Trump. :unsure: I would agree that the bureaucracy is getting out of control, but what exactly did Trump do his first time around to restrain it?

What I find really objectionable is his use of campaign funds to pay his current legal fees. Most of those are currently coming in from individual donors - many of whom could probably be using those dollars somewhere else - a billionaire using blue collar contributions to pay his lawyers. Only in America.
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For myself, I find it sad at our lack of quality choices. I get it, I would never want to have everything in my personal life plastered everywhere. I'm not sure what the right answer is.
 
Jfet said:
I prefer this “Working Man Song”

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Wow! What a coincidence. Just yesterday, I was singing this song while driving. Where it came from I have no idea as I haven’t heard it in over 20 years. I guess it was in anticipation of your post.
 
Red Leg said:
Ask the average foot soldier in the Trump brigades what that means and he or she immediately starts pointing fingers at RINO's as led by the likes of Romney or McConnell and any other Republican who doesn't support Trump with unquestioned loyalty. There are ample examples throughout this thread.
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The issues I take with RINOS like Romney, McConnell, ect, have absolutely nothing to do with the coincidence that they may have butted heads with or no longer endorse Trump... These scumbags are accountable for career-long laundry lists of feckless, ineffectual, and anti-conservative policies, positions, and legislation of their own doing long before Trump appeared on the political landscape. They are career politicians who are collectively responsible for many years of disservice to populist conservative ideologies, and anyone failing to recognize that reality has bigger issues to acknowledge far beyond their dislike for Trump.
 
meigsbucks said:
Wow! What a coincidence. Just yesterday, I was singing this song while driving. Where it came from I have no idea as I haven’t heard it in over 20 years. I guess it was in anticipation of your post.
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This is a cleverly done remake of the song, “16 Tons.” My grandparents were able to get away from a ”Mill Town.” My dad always sang this song. He was 12 when they moved out of the cotton mill village in Roanoke, AL.

 
BSO Dave said:
The issues I take with RINOS like Romney, McConnell, ect, have absolutely nothing to do with the coincidence that they may have butted heads with or no longer endorse Trump... These scumbags are accountable for career-long laundry lists of feckless, ineffectual, and anti-conservative policies, positions, and legislation of their own doing long before Trump appeared on the political landscape. They are career politicians who are collectively responsible for many years of disservice to populist conservative ideologies, and anyone failing to recognize that reality has bigger issues to acknowledge far beyond their dislike for Trump.
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I am not arguing that point Dave at all and not defending them. Though, I do think McConnell deserves most of the credit for shaping the current Supreme Court. My only point is that there isn't a thing Donald Trump or any other president can do about them unless he seizes the government and rules as a dictator. At that point, I think we can agree we no longer have an actual president or a republic.

Those RINOs or Uni-party members of the Swamp or whatever name one wants to apply were elected by their constituents - most of whom also voted for Trump in the last two elections - though not quite enough in the second. It is why I find the same people ranting about them as swamp denizens so ridiculous. I guess everyone is a swamp monster except my swamp monster.

Traditionally, a successful president had the skills to widen his base in order to successfully govern - the Gipper’s big tent. Biden seemingly has broken that mold and is getting regrettably a lot done because we have become divided into two separate camps, and theirs is a couple of percentage points larger than ours. This continuing focus on ideological purity married to a someone viewed as a detestable candidate by that slightly larger half of the electorate can destroy us as a national party.
 
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Red Leg said:
...This continuing focus on ideological purity married to a someone viewed as a detestable candidate by that slightly larger half of the electorate can destroy us as a national party.
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The so-called ideological purity is also why we lost a lot of races that we should have won in the '22 midterm election in red leaning districts. Flawed candidates whose biggest virtue was bowing to the altar of Trump won the primaries and proceeded to lose the general election.

Personally, I'd rather get 90% of something instead of 100% of nothing.
 
As I understand it, there are 26 States where a convicted felon can not be on the ballot. If Trump is convicted on one of these charges, even if it is under appeal, does that not effectively mean that he cannot run as the nominee?
 
WAB said:
As I understand it, there are 26 States where a convicted felon can not be on the ballot. If Trump is convicted on one of these charges, even if it is under appeal, does that not effectively mean that he cannot run as the nominee?
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Would be interesting if there was a conviction prior to the election.

There is no convicted felon exclusion in the Constitution. See Article 2 below. Would Article 6 force States to allow a convicted felon on the ballet. The Federal Districts and Circuits are going to be busy. Probably even SCOTUS.

Trump probably runs a write in campaign and looses if his name is off the ballot in 26 States.

The next 15 months may be the most interesting in our lives.



Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
 
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