Why all the 6.5 Creedmoor Hate?

[Doug Hamilton]

So...does that mean the list of cartridge I have done this with are not satisfactory either? 6X, 6CM,6.5PRC, 7WSM, 308, 300WM, 300NM,338LM ?

I never encouraged anyone to take that shot on an animal. I was stating the merits of the cartridge.

I understand. But those statements have encouraged people to think that the 6.5 Cm is a thousand yard elk rifle, which it isn't. This is what is causing the negative feelings towards the Creedmoor, which is what the original question was about.

I'm still planning on buying one for my grandson when he gets a little older. I think it would be a fine deer cartridge for a kid or anyone else that wants a short, light rifle with little recoil.

 

[Inline6]

I understand. But those statements have encouraged people to think that the 6.5 Cm is a thousand yard elk rifle, which it isn't. This is what is causing the negative feelings towards the Creedmoor, which is what the original question was about.

I'm still planning on buying one for my grandson when he gets a little older. I think it would be a fine deer cartridge for a kid or anyone else that wants a short, light rifle with little recoil.

That doesn't make sense to me, that is the equivalent of saying I drive a vett that can do 180mph and no one told me I would get a speeding ticket for driving 100mph in a 55mph zone. It is my responsibility to know the speed limits of where I'm driving. When has personal responsibility gone to the wayside? If you don't know what your bullet is doing at a given distance you should limit your shots to point blank range.

Just because someone can hit a target at 2k doesn't mean they should shoot an animal at that range. Just because someone can't hit a target at 1k doesn't mean I should not if the conditions are right. It is a personal responsibility to know what one can and cannot do. If my bullet is below the 1500# mark I'm not risking it, that is a self imposed threshold. Everyone has their own way of looking at things, I respect that. What a good many people forget what works for one doesn't translate to the whole community.

 

[CBH Australia]

I understand. But those statements have encouraged people to think that the 6.5 Cm is a thousand yard elk rifle, which it isn't. This is what is causing the negative feelings towards the Creedmoor, which is what the original question was about.

I'm still planning on buying one for my grandson when he gets a little older. I think it would be a fine deer cartridge for a kid or anyone else that wants a short, light rifle with little recoil.

Or a 7mm-08 so he doesn't get teased, and he won't grow out of it.

I can see for and against. If @Inline6 is a long range shooter and knows ballistics and long range shooting great. He's not the problem.

I shot a respectable score last weekend at 900 with someone coaching for wind.

The man bun problem is caused by relatively new shooters who think it can do things nothing else has ever done.

I'm far from an expert but they quote ballistics at long ranges based on velocity, wind drift and trajectory. They then state it is more effective than a .300wm , or others. Perhaps it has better ballistic figures but that's with the right projectiles, that's been calculated using target ammo etc. Putting a .300wm bullet in the same point on the same animal is likely to be more effective than a .6.5cm

They make statements that it is better. Better is subjective based on the use.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

That doesn't make sense to me, that is the equivalent of saying I drive a vett that can do 180mph and no one told me I would get a speeding ticket for driving 100mph in a 55mph zone. It is my responsibility to know the speed limits of where I'm driving. When has personal responsibility gone to the wayside? If you don't know what your bullet is doing at a given distance you should limit your shots to point blank range.

Just because someone can hit a target at 2k doesn't mean they should shoot an animal at that range. Just because someone can't hit a target at 1k doesn't mean I should not if the conditions are right. It is a personal responsibility to know what one can and cannot do. If my bullet is below the 1500# mark I'm not risking it, that is a self imposed threshold. Everyone has their own way of looking at things, I respect that. What a good many people forget what works for one doesn't translate to the whole community.

I agree, but there is a lot of hype out there that has been convincing to the naive. The claims that the 6.5 can kill anything that walks, at any distance that you can see it, causes many knowledgeable hunters to look down their nose at those that are drawn to the cartridge (the man bun comments). This is also why you hear the jokes about how you can shoot at a deer at 1000 yards, and the animal will be dead, gutted and skinned by the time you walk over there.
I'm sure that Creedmoor is a fine hunting cartridge within it's limitations, but some people are trying to make it into something that it isn't. That will always generate negative comments.

 

[Inline6]

I agree, but there is a lot of hype out there that has been convincing to the naive. The claims that the 6.5 can kill anything that walks, at any distance that you can see it, causes many knowledgeable hunters to look down their nose at those that are drawn to the cartridge (the man bun comments). This is also why you hear the jokes about how you can shoot at a deer at 1000 yards, and the animal will be dead, gutted and skinned by the time you walk over there.
I'm sure that Creedmoor is a fine hunting cartridge within it's limitations, but some people are trying to make it into something that it isn't. That will always generate negative comments.

I'm sure the old times in the pubs when metallic cartridges were invented were saying the same type of things.

I get the reasoning, jeeps had the same effect on me. I disliked them because most people that owned them thought they were the greatest offroad vehicle made. It was off putting, so I get the sediment.

 

[Gemsbok45]

I really like it for deer hunting. Low recoil and plenty of energy out passed 300 yards. I’m just a 300 or 338 for Elk and bigger. My comfort zone!

 

[WAB]

I'm sure the old times in the pubs when metallic cartridges were invented were saying the same type of things.

I get the reasoning, jeeps had the same effect on me. I disliked them because most people that owned them thought they were the greatest offroad vehicle made. It was off putting, so I get the sediment.

Yep, jeeps seem fine until you drive an FJ40!

 

[Doug Hamilton]

I'm sure the old times in the pubs when metallic cartridges were invented were saying the same type of things.

I get the reasoning, jeeps had the same effect on me. I disliked them because most people that owned them thought they were the greatest offroad vehicle made. It was off putting, so I get the sediment.

That's it. I have often wondered if the internet had existed when say the .270 came out if it wouldn't have received a lot of bad comments. Actually, I guess it did, but now people understand the limits, and nobody thinks badly of it now.

 

[ChrisG]

Yep, jeeps seem fine until you drive an FJ40!

Or, if you could keep it running, an old Leyland Land Rover

 

[JGRaider]

Don't worry about Creedmoor haters. They're just butthurt over a better mousetrap

 

[Inline6]

Don't worry about Creedmoor haters. They're just butthurt over a better mousetrap

Lol, I'm not either. Just trying to educate the people that might be on the fence. It would probably more beneficial if I said nothing at all. Less pressure on ammo and components

 

[ashtonjanke4]

I think just about all calibers have their haters…. 308, 30-06, etc.

The 6.5 is a great flat round that has great performance. However, my personal experience is that it is fast & is not designed to open up fast. Do anything inside 100…. It’s not expanding, anything over 300 it may lose some energy. So then one argues… why not just use a 270, 7M, etc.

It’s a great gun, great round….. but just another niche variant. I own one. But it doesn’t really do much that others don’t do as well or better. No recoil BTW.

How is it not designed to open up fast? That’s more to do with bullet selection then cartridges

 

[WAB]

6.5 PRC at 150 yds. 140 gr accubond at 2900 fps. Vaporized both lungs, deer ran about 100 yards. No different result than any number of calibers I’ve used on deer. However, this rifle is capable of sub 1/2 moa at distance.

 

[Odinsraven]

I am a dealer here in Iceland - I have never promoted or sold Creedmoor due to the ammo supply issue - so other dealers have sold lots of them and there is no ammo to be had - the primer shortage is also stirring the pot - the Creedmoor offers nothing the 6.5x55 does not - and have 5k rounds of ammo in stock for that ! So a lot of people here are stuck with rifles and no ammo for them - so they become fanatical about it - preaching from the mount about its abilities etc.

One quite famous Gunsmith and all-round gentleman took his reindeer this year with a 7x57 ! As a joke I said the .275 Rigby was a superior round ! Yes took a couple of phonecalls asking did I have any in stock !

Before the Great War, all DG calibres were sorted

Before WW2 plains game calibres were sorted

everything since then has been marketing - with the advent of scientific bullet production accuracy has improved - both for the "new kids" and the old war horses!

 

[Inline6]

I am a dealer here in Iceland - I have never promoted or sold Creedmoor due to the ammo supply issue - so other dealers have sold lots of them and there is no ammo to be had - the primer shortage is also stirring the pot - the Creedmoor offers nothing the 6.5x55 does not - and have 5k rounds of ammo in stock for that ! So a lot of people here are stuck with rifles and no ammo for them - so they become fanatical about it - preaching from the mount about its abilities etc.

One quite famous Gunsmith and all-round gentleman took his reindeer this year with a 7x57 ! As a joke I said the .275 Rigby was a superior round ! Yes took a couple of phonecalls asking did I have any in stock !

Before the Great War, all DG calibres were sorted

Before WW2 plains game calibres were sorted

everything since then has been marketing - with the advent of scientific bullet production accuracy has improved - both for the "new kids" and the old war horses!

A few things it does better.

1. Offers more consistent ammo for shooting distance.
2. The ability to run it like you need it in a short action.

Get the ammo shortage over there, it is the opposite here in the states. Plenty of 6.5CM ammo not as much offered for others, although things are starting to look better ammo wise.

 

[Flewis]

It’ not the round it’s self, it’s the hype!

 

[WAB]

It’ not the round it’s self, it’s the hype!

I think we need to stop hating on a round that is bringing so many new shooters into the sport. Also, I can’t think of another round with so many high quality options in ammunition. Who cares if it’s ballistics are eerily similar to a 6.5 Swede? That’s actually a positive vote as the Swede is a proven killer.

 

[F. Vaccaro]

I think we need to stop hating on a round that is bringing so many new shooters into the sport. Also, I can’t think of another round with so many high quality options in ammunition. Who cares if it’s ballistics are eerily similar to a 6.5 Swede? That’s actually a positive vote as the Swede is a proven killer.

Aaaaand the Creedmoor is offered in more rifles here in the U. S.
I agree it’s so close to the Sweed you can’t live on the difference, but it’s more available here.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

I don’t think the 6.5 creedmore is bringing any new shooters in. The new shooters want in, and read gun magazines that tell them the creedmore is the best ever. Being new, and inexperienced they believe most or all of the claims made about the caliber.
It’s not much different than the 220 swift or 250-3000 being good for Tigers back in the day. The weatherby craze is also very similar to the Creedmore fad. It’s all similar but different.
If the new/inexperienced shooter who doesn’t know listens to people who tell him the creedmore is a 1000 yard deer rifle, they are bound to believe it. If they listen to grandpa who used a 30-06 they probably know better than to believe the magazines.
I will appreciate the the creedmore as much as any other fad, but I feel this one will hang around a bit longer than some.

 

[Inline6]

I don’t think the 6.5 creedmore is bringing any new shooters in. The new shooters want in, and read gun magazines that tell them the creedmore is the best ever. Being new, and inexperienced they believe most or all of the claims made about the caliber.
It’s not much different than the 220 swift or 250-3000 being good for Tigers back in the day. The weatherby craze is also very similar to the Creedmore fad. It’s all similar but different.
If the new/inexperienced shooter who doesn’t know listens to people who tell him the creedmore is a 1000 yard deer rifle, they are bound to believe it. If they listen to grandpa who used a 30-06 they probably know better than to believe the magazines.
I will appreciate the the creedmore as much as any other fad, but I feel this one will hang around a bit longer than some.

It is bringing in new shooters, I have seen it to many times.

The difference is we have better barrels, better ammo, better scopes, and better computer programs (then back in the time frames you are speaking on). People are making quality hits at distance with little effort. Way easier and more consistent than just 10 years ago all factory loads. It doesn't take long for word to get around and more people jump on the train.