What is it about 404 Jeffery?

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I used Raitt’s and changed to Gentium Air Freight Services, for the work at that end. Alex Hue did a great job and were way under the other freight mob

@Rule404
Ingwe did all our stuff, I forget who our shipper is. They were booked to fly out on the 14-15th then changed to 21-22 of late month so hopefully on the way.
Bob

 

[IvW]

My daughter has comoleted her National Diploma in Game management, FGASA level 1, advanced tracking, Gun Competancy on all levels. She will be going to AUS in April for a month when she returns she will start her 2 year practical for level 2 IFGA and after that her DG foot safari guide qualification.
Her 404 Jeff on a ZKK602 action is in progress. I am also in process of having 420gr bullets designed and tested fir this rifle. The target speed is 2300fps.
She handles the 375 H&H well but it is too small for the job and the 500 Jeff is a bit too much.

I am very interested to see how this will turn out

 

[Shootist43]

IvW, who is doing the gunsmithing required to turn the 375 H&H into a 404 Jeffery? What do you expect it will cost?

 

[IvW]

Magnum Arms(Sabi rifles) will be doing the re barreling with a Walther barrel and sights to specification and 3 position safety.

Gun stock will be African wild pear done by stock maker in Naboomspruit. Being African we will keep it African.

Rifles have been built to 585 Nyati on this wood without issues.

 

[Rare Breed]

my memory suggests that the 404 was , in the day, considered as a dual purpose round, similar to the 375 h&h today.
it had a light bullet load and a heavy bullet load for different jobs.
probably not as good for dangerous game as 45 and 470 rifles, but could do the job, while possibly being more suited to plains game than the above.
for professional culling more economical than the 45/470 group.
modern bullets have altered this to some degree.
the strength of the 375 is its ability to put a 300 gn dead on at say 100 yds, with a 270 gn a little higher and a 235 a little higher again.
the lighter bullets then have a longer point blank range, and suit lighter game in more open country with the 300 ready to go on nastier things in closer, all with the same sight setting.
change ammo, not the sight.
can't say how the 404 and 416s are in this respect, as have never owned them.
bruce.

I still am amazed at the incredible long distant accuracy I experienced last April with Wintershoek on my cull PG portion of my hunt with the 404J. Two shots at 300 yards with both animals DRT and I am only an average shot which speaks for the caliber and the rifle an MRC not my ability.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I still am amazed at the incredible long distant accuracy I experienced last April with Wintershoek on my cull PG portion of my hunt with the 404J. Two shots at 300 yards with both animals DRT and I am only an average shot which speaks for the caliber and the rifle an MRC not my ability.

What load were you using? 300 yards would be a stretch for 400 gr bullets.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

My daughter has comoleted her National Diploma in Game management, FGASA level 1, advanced tracking, Gun Competancy on all levels. She will be going to AUS in April for a month when she returns she will start her 2 year practical for level 2 IFGA and after that her DG foot safari guide qualification.
Her 404 Jeff on a ZKK602 action is in progress. I am also in process of having 420gr bullets designed and tested fir this rifle. The target speed is 2300fps.
She handles the 375 H&H well but it is too small for the job and the 500 Jeff is a bit too much.

I am very interested to see how this will turn out

420 gr bullets at 2300 fps will have some jump! 400 gr out of my 404 is about all I want to handle and my gun weighs +10 lbs. Sure your daughter will be able to handle it? I'm looking at stepping down to 350 gr. With modern technology I really don't see the need for the old standard 400 gr. Maybe for elephants.

 

[IvW]

What do you know about being a qualified Advance Trail Guide in Africa?
What is the most dangerous of the DG you encounter during this work?
What do you know about dealing with this and other animals during this work?
What do you know about SD and bullet design to be able to deal with this animal when things go south?
What do you know about the legal and other requirements of the areas these safaris are conducted in?

I will rather not post my thoughts....

 

[John Telford]

My daughter has comoleted her National Diploma in Game management, FGASA level 1, advanced tracking, Gun Competancy on all levels. She will be going to AUS in April for a month when she returns she will start her 2 year practical for level 2 IFGA and after that her DG foot safari guide qualification.
Her 404 Jeff on a ZKK602 action is in progress. I am also in process of having 420gr bullets designed and tested fir this rifle. The target speed is 2300fps.
She handles the 375 H&H well but it is too small for the job and the 500 Jeff is a bit too much.

I am very interested to see how this will turn out

Interesting on the 420grns who is doing the bullets for you? BTW Rhino is under new ownership again and they have moved to our doorstep!
Bjinse also has a few options.

 

[Rule 303]

My daughter has comoleted her National Diploma in Game management, FGASA level 1, advanced tracking, Gun Competancy on all levels. She will be going to AUS in April for a month when she returns she will start her 2 year practical for level 2 IFGA and after that her DG foot safari guide qualification.
Her 404 Jeff on a ZKK602 action is in progress. I am also in process of having 420gr bullets designed and tested fir this rifle. The target speed is 2300fps.
She handles the 375 H&H well but it is too small for the job and the 500 Jeff is a bit too much.

I am very interested to see how this will turn out

Congratulations to your daughter and all the best for the rest of her course. To me the 404J is a great way to go and there is a long distance between the recoil of a 404 and a 500J, she should do well with the 404.

 

[Tex .416]

What load were you using? 300 yards would be a stretch for 400 gr bullets.

With a Barnes TSX @2300, 300 yards only requires 7.25 MOA of correction for elevation and 2.75 for a full value 10 mph wind, no big deal with a suitable scope. fwiw - the bullet still has over 2,500 ft/lbs of energy at 300.