What are my options for a current production crf 375 h&h rifle?

[BeeMaa]

I've never seen so much bullsh*t as this right here. But keep on doing you.

Funny. For someone with "Heeler" in their screen name, I would have thought you would have taken a more subtle and controlled approach.

Please feel free to contribute to the conversation in a positive way and leave the insults and passive aggressive comments for a DM.

 

[Deepfork]

Funny. For someone with "Heeler" in their screen name, I would have thought you would have taken a more subtle and controlled approach.

Please feel free to contribute to the conversation in a positive way and leave the insults and passive aggressive comments for a DM.

Ya best to be civil, but I thought what he said.

 

[rookhawk]

Funny. For someone with "Heeler" in their screen name, I would have thought you would have taken a more subtle and controlled approach.

Please feel free to contribute to the conversation in a positive way and leave the insults and passive aggressive comments for a DM.

No offense taken from me at all. Every man is entitled to his opinion. There are a lot of credible hunters that have bought into the high comb, monte carlo, pic rail, high rings, big objective craze. My mission is to explain that isn't the way, but every one of 1000 guns at Cabelas disagrees with me.

I'll take anyone to the promised land that will let me lead them there. Anyone not coming, I don't think of you as less of hunters, only that you bought into mass-marketing over equal-cost artisanship.

No hate. Only constructive disagreement.

 

[Deepfork]

Funny. For someone with "Heeler" in their screen name, I would have thought you would have taken a more subtle and controlled approach.

Please feel free to contribute to the conversation in a positive way and leave the insults and passive aggressive comments for a DM.

Why do you call out "Heeler" but not "rookhawk" for the quote below. Very personal attack though he claims its not.

You like to spend a fair amount of money on unexceptional guns, poorly laid out, poor geometry, with poor quality components. Go for it. I don't fault any man for buying what he can afford, but I do find it odd that you like to hold your rifles, cases, swivels, and pretty much everything up to be THE standard of quality when in actuality it is below the standard I would recommend to anyone of any means. Everyone I know on this forum thinks your photos absolutely undermine your points and serve as a cautionary tale to others.

I don't want to make this personal, I just think your discernment is poor when it comes to guns and equipment and that you paid way too much for way too little. I don't think you have the self awareness to pick up on that, but it certainly embarrasses yourself when you do show-and-tell proclaiming that what you have is an example of the right way to do something when its all half-ass hack jobs.

 

[375Fox]

I don't recall weighing in to reject a Model 70, CZ, Blaser, Ruger RSM or any of the other guns cited on this post. You're literally putting words in my mouth and then telling me I'm wrong.

I've owned many of the rifles discussed and what I found is that by the time I got them to a level of smooth sophistication (e.g. getting a CZ to be similar in function to an AHR derivative) my costs in time and money could have been better placed just getting a better gun for less dollars. That doesn't mean they suck, it just means I think there is a shorter distance between two places.

IF the OP said "I have $1400 to spend and not a penny more, help!" I would have advised him to spend a year looking for a bedraggled ZKK602 or CZ550. Then stop by the workshop with a six pack of beer and I'd help him get it in tip-top shape for a safari. But that wasn't his parameters, so I tried to give an opinion. My opinion didn't negate your opinion, or even counter your opinion, nor did I say your opinion was a bad opinion.

The only opinion I called into question was the fruits of Ontario Hunter's labors and his recommendation that others repeat his labors looking for a similar outcome. I don't like the labors, I don't like the outcomes, I don't like the costs to get to those outcomes. Even that isn't a personal attack, but it is a scathing critique of the finished product compared to virtually any other option.

Nothing on AH is done in a vacuum. Every established member here has a history of posts. I don’t doubt you are extremely knowledgeable on firearms, but I do think you confuse quality with luxury. I’ve been told you are great in person, but I find many of your posts on firearms and optics off putting.

 

[rookhawk]

Nothing on AH is done in a vacuum. Every established member here has a history of posts. I don’t doubt you are extremely knowledgeable on firearms, but I do think you confuse quality with luxury. I’ve been told you are great in person, but I find many of your posts on firearms and optics off putting.

That’s fair. I’m off putting to some in real life too. I grew up poor and I resent poor thinking. The best mental exercise I can do is to ask what is infinitely possible, then dial back with realistic compromises. Others start with mediocrity and hover there.

If you don’t aim for the moon, you have zero chance of getting there. Start with what is exceptional in life, then compromise to get 80% of the way there for 1% of the price.

As pertains to quality, I’m just competent enough to understand every step in gunsmithing, and just incompetent enough to know I’m incapable of quality work to a high standard in many steps. When I see quality for the sake of luxury, like drop points on a stock, I know that is a $1000 of labor, I cannot do it, and it’s free on some guns. That’s where I appreciate the luxury because I know it’s an aesthetic quality I cannot reproduce with my modest skills. Others might find an artisans skill to be worthless, ignoring an appreciation for a skill beyond myself and 99.9% of the readers unless they got a bill to have such work done personally.

 

[Deepfork]

That’s fair. I’m off putting to some in real life too. I grew up poor and I resent poor thinking. The best mental exercise I can do is to ask what is infinitely possible, then dial back with realistic compromises. Others start with mediocrity and hover there.

If you don’t aim for the moon, you have zero chance of getting there. Start with what is exceptional in life, then compromise to get 80% of the way there for 1% of the price.

Go back and read some of your post in this thread. Treat those you are trying to influence poorly and you have zero chance of having any influence.

 

[Tra3]

Another point to consider is expected frequency of use of the rifle. For a person who is certain to do one Africa trip, I can understand the goal of trying to buy a functional, yet less costly rifle. That is a smart and reasonable goal.

But, many here discover that the “one” trip turns into multiple trips. And then a different, upgraded firearm gets added for the subsequent trips. I’d be willing to bet that the the large majority of people who have been on more that one trip also bought more than one firearm for Africa. A good portion of the advice is based on an expectation that the firearm will be used for more than one hunt. The hope is to start a rifle good enough on the first trip that will also be good enough for subsequent adventures. The advice in prior posts tends to suggest using money wisely so one doesn’t get a $1500-$3000 first rifle and then a $5000 second rifle. The second rifle will position the first rifle to the back of the safe to collect dust.