Video of giraffe harvested with 6mm

[Bluebeam]

well most times i have asked for the best place to take a shoot it has been constantly advised to focus just beneath the shoulder close to the stomach basically focused on stopping the hart..

 

[Grumpy gumpy]

I got a bit confused there……why was someone hunting a head of lettuce with a bow??


Gumpy

 

[Doug Hamilton]

I got a bit confused there……why was someone hunting a head of lettuce with a bow??


Gumpy

Ah,those lettuce are very wary, and can be dangerous! The heads look good on the wall though.

Doug

 

[FlyGuy]

I’ll jump in on the bowhunting thing…
All the videos you see of some poor animal running off with an arrow sticking out its side, is because the shooter was too lazy to spend the time and effort tuning his bow with the ideal fixed blade broadheads.
It’s much easier to screw in a mechanical broadhead, because they pretty much shoot the same as a field point.

It’s exactly the same as not spending the time and effort to practice with a more powerful rifle.

 

[saswart]

Can you show me where 6mm is illegal on giraffe in South Africa. Serious question.

HI Daisy and rest, I have not read through all of the replies, just first 3 pages. Some people added and did refer to Provincial ordinances. I will briefly try and explain the current SA law. There is a Act in SA, called the Biodiversity Act and the Minister may issue directives/norms etc. from time to time regulated certain aspects. The current Norms and Standards (attached) states the minimum required bullet weight for hunting Giraffe is 250 gr. But in a previous version, dated 2009, the norms stated a caliber min of 375H&H - however the 2009 norms were never promulgated and signed into law, although the document is being used by people who are not aware that it was a "draft - for consideration" and think when they find it, it is actually a formal law signed and accepted...

Other countries use the joule/power factor. South Africa currently has the weight category.

Interestingly enough (RSA specifically) if you apply the norms and standards (2011), strictly you could use a smaller caliber than a 375 on Buffalo as long as it is a 250 gr bullet - caveat - you have to check the province you are hunting in own rules - which can always be more stringent, not less than the norms; e.g., Natal I am aware has said they wish to change to min of 375 for all dangerous game incl buffalo. There is always a loophole though...

It is due to these ambiguities that the standard rule is to use a 375H&H. Also the norms and standards states when hunting thick skinned animals you should use solids and mono bullets, which is absurd for something like a buffalo where people prefer a lead core/bonded.

Bottomline and not to confuse all, hunting the giraffe with a 6mm, which will never be able to shoot a 250 gr bullet, makes it illegal...

 

[RichieG]

“Respect your quarry” to me means use enough gun, use the right projectile, practice and don’t broadcast it like it’s some sort of game or experiment. It’s a matter of life and death so worth taking seriously. Personal though I guess.

For me the day I lose those mixed feelings when I take an animal is the day I stop hunting.

 

[russ473]

If the hunter can shoot a .223 then they can shoot a .308 or .30 06 which isnt the best but is way better than a .223 for giraffe, dont give the greenies, antis more ammunition against hunters

 

[CBH Australia]

I wonder what the Venn diagram would look like between those who use the word “harvest” to describe killing an animal and those who do this type of shooting.

I guess like any research paper or anything that is in debate it depends on the information that is presented and the agenda of those preparing it.

 

[SRvet]

I’m late to the party but the video shows a total disregard for the welfare of the animal in several ways, particularly the use of such a small calibre and the total absence of a follow up shot or shots. Another point I would like to bring up is that the video only shows the Giraffe falling over, it does not record the moment of death which perhaps could have occurred much later. Was it ethical, sensible or humane…. No in my opinion it was not. Is there any need for this type of video….. no, it only serves the ego of those that made it. As others have said this is not a good thing to put on social media!

 

[IvW]

HI Daisy and rest, I have not read through all of the replies, just first 3 pages. Some people added and did refer to Provincial ordinances. I will briefly try and explain the current SA law. There is a Act in SA, called the Biodiversity Act and the Minister may issue directives/norms etc. from time to time regulated certain aspects. The current Norms and Standards (attached) states the minimum required bullet weight for hunting Giraffe is 250 gr. But in a previous version, dated 2009, the norms stated a caliber min of 375H&H - however the 2009 norms were never promulgated and signed into law, although the document is being used by people who are not aware that it was a "draft - for consideration" and think when they find it, it is actually a formal law signed and accepted...

Other countries use the joule/power factor. South Africa currently has the weight category.

Interestingly enough (RSA specifically) if you apply the norms and standards (2011), strictly you could use a smaller caliber than a 375 on Buffalo as long as it is a 250 gr bullet - caveat - you have to check the province you are hunting in own rules - which can always be more stringent, not less than the norms; e.g., Natal I am aware has said they wish to change to min of 375 for all dangerous game incl buffalo. There is always a loophole though...

It is due to these ambiguities that the standard rule is to use a 375H&H. Also the norms and standards states when hunting thick skinned animals you should use solids and mono bullets, which is absurd for something like a buffalo where people prefer a lead core/bonded.

Bottomline and not to confuse all, hunting the giraffe with a 6mm, which will never be able to shoot a 250 gr bullet, makes it illegal...

Well. Said except for thick skinned game which in general means Rhino and elephant and can include hippo on land and not buffalo

 

[khesser]

My plan has been to use my 338 Lapua for non dangerous game on my 2025 Africa trip. I am rethinking to my 6.5prc but haven’t decided. I will 100 percent be using my 416 Ruger on my Buffalo! But it will be supressed so I’ll catch heck for that here. Haha

The 338 Lapua is most definitely more gun than needed for Plains game but is very effective. I used my custom 338 Lapua on a recent trip to RSA to take two animals then used my 7 PRC for the rest of the hunt. Nice to carry a lighter rifle. For 338 bullets I do like Berger 300gr OTMs at 2700-2750fps. Down range energy with them is awesome.

 

[saswart]

Well. Said except for thick skinned game which in general means Rhino and elephant and can include hippo on land and not buffalo

Thanks IVW, yes the act defines thick skin as Ele, Buff, Rhino, Hippo and croc (note the definition). For the specific 250 gr (section 5(1)(c) requirement) it specifically excludes Thick Skinned animals but incl Buff, Giraffe and Lion. 300gr is required for all animals larger than 5(1)(c) which incl Ele, Rhino and Hippo. The mono bullet requirement (section 5(2)) refers to Thick Skinned being the mentioned (Ele, hippo, buff, croc and Rhino). Hope this clarifies it.

 

[IvW]

Before the 243 sniper gang start taking potshots at these....

 

[375Fox]

I had a long drive today and decided to listen to two podcasts by the individuals advocating the small caliber agenda and performing this stunt. It’s not a waste of time to educate yourself on how the other side thinks, however If I had no respect for them before I have less now. The podcast prior to their FIRST African trip was incredibly arrogant and naive at the same time. They had a different tone after their first trip but it’s clear their priorities are with the shooting. A few quotes before their first trip. “If the F’er bleeds it can die.” I’ll shoot the Mother F’er behind the shoulder and drop it.” Speaking of the giraffe with 6mm. I don’t understand how these guys get followers for their agenda that’s prevalent on another forum.

 

[DLSJR]

I’ll wait for clarification from Daisy, but if comment the other day was correct. This was done by one of the same individuals advocating for 223 on bear, elk, and moose on a different forum. It really makes me upset to see target shooting stunts on animals because I think it shows a complete disrespect to the animals they are hunting.

Any idiot who advocates using a .223 on bears, elk or moose is a Mucking Foron who shouldn’t be allowed in the woods. Same goes for shooting a giraffe with a 6mm. He’s a complete f*cking idiot.

Under the concept of F*ck around and find out, he should go bull elephant hunting with that 6MM. Maybe a pissed off elephant would end this nonsense.

 

[Inline6]

If the hunter can shoot a .223 then they can shoot a .308 or .30 06 which isnt the best but is way better than a .223 for giraffe, dont give the greenies, antis more ammunition against hunters

They did not use a 223.

I'll say it again for the sake of it, any animals hunter on film will be used by the antis/greenies. They don't care, all they see is a " beautiful animal being murdered". The rest They don't care about, no matter how you try.

Ethical hunters do care about what is used, and the manner that takes place, which is a different conversation altogether, from my POV.

I can state for a fact, a giraffe shot with a 375H&H took about that long to fall to the ground with a shoulder shot as the one in this video. They are huge animals with a lot of blood, with a shoulder shot. It will not have a bang flop effect.

I'm not advocating, I'm just stating what I have personally witnessed.

 

[gbflyer]

I had a long drive today and decided to listen to two podcasts by the individuals advocating the small caliber agenda and performing this stunt. It’s not a waste of time to educate yourself on how the other side thinks, however If I had no respect for them before I have less now. The podcast prior to their FIRST African trip was incredibly arrogant and naive at the same time. They had a different tone after their first trip but it’s clear their priorities are with the shooting. A few quotes before their first trip. “If the F’er bleeds it can die.” I’ll shoot the Mother F’er behind the shoulder and drop it.” Speaking of the giraffe with 6mm. I don’t understand how these guys get followers for their agenda that’s prevalent on another forum.

They do seem to act incredibly short in stature don’t they? I have learned a lot on the site, I however don’t believe I would enjoy him in my camp, I’m sure that would be a mutual thing.

 

[uplander01]

I like animals to expire quicker than that if possible. To each his own, I like big calibers. That said, I'll never shoot a giraffe, but they are good to eat for sure.

 

[towserthemouser]

Why a 416? THe 6,5 will kill it...

How many times do I have to say it’s not my video. I’ve never harvested a giraffe. Stop being a jerk.

The animal died in a very normal time frame for animals shot. Many animals run off and die 100 yards away one minute later. You can say the hunter should have shot again having a clear shot. That’s fine. But that animal didn’t suffer longer than many of the animals everyone here harvests all the time.

@Daisy you clearly posted this video to stir, and stayed on this thread to argue about it. Now you're calling names and using ad hominem attacks.

Although it may not be your video, you posted it and you apparently know the people behind it, as you made claims about their experience, etc. And you're trying to act as if you "just want to have a discussion about the data," but for someone who just wants a discussion and is "curious about thoughts" you're mighty quick to lobby for your viewpoint.

So I don't think you came for a discussion, I think you came for an argument. Most on this forum find this behavior unethical and unacceptable and just plain uncool. That giraffe was not hunted, it was slaughtered. And by posting the video and then arguing in favor of it, you're culpable.

As a result, you have now officially become only the 2nd person on this entire forum I've chosen to "Ignore." Buh-bye.

 

[Kynadog]

Can it be done? Yes. They proved that. Should it be done? No (my personal opinion).

The thing that bothered me the most about this video was the lack of a follow up shot. We owe it to the animals we hunt to make clean, humane shots with a minimum amount of suffering. To me it was gut wrenching to watch that giraffe when a second shot could have ended any suffering sooner. Why did they hesitate? Just to say they had a one shot kill with a 6mm?