TV star hunts livestock

[Blue Moon]

I can’t change the facts. Out of curiosity, did any of your hunting companions have an “elchhund “? They are common in Scandinavia. They aren’t used to chase and hold red stag. I speak German, almost fluently. The German word for “moose” is “Elch”. You can also look that up yourself. And I can use the Jaeger Sprache Lexicon as well as most. There is no “moose” in it. Just saying. I would suspect your guides were using moose out of courtesy to an American hunter.

My family has had a couple of hounds for moose hunting. The breed was Norwegian Elkhound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Elkhound
I also have acquaintances who have or have had Swedish Elkhounds/Moosehounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jämthund

 

[Red Leg]

They are wonderful dogs. Intelligent and very loyal. Out of curiosity, does your family use the term elg or moose when speaking of the moose in their native language?

My family has had a couple of hounds for moose hunting. The breed was Norwegian Elkhound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Elkhound
I also have acquaintances who have or have had Swedish Elkhounds/Moosehounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jämthund

 

[Foxi]

I also lived and hunted in Europe for 5 years and I never heard heard a single hunter refer to a Moose as "Elk" I hunted with many Germans who hunted in Scandinavia and many Swedes/Norwegians they all called Moose "Moose"

North American Elk are called either Elk or Wapiti, both names are correct

I could sign them all,what Red leg has written.

In Germany we call the moose Elch (in Scandinavia it sounds similar Alg or Elgen ,Finland is not Scandinavia)
The elk (cervus canadiensis) is in G. only Wapiti and his brother in Asia (cervus c. sibiricus) we call Maral.We never say elk.
The English translation elk in Moose is an obvious mistake, but only zoologically interested people know the difference in my country.
Markferringo,in my opinion, the reason is (probably) that you have surrounded yourself with English-speaking Europeans and there is the German word Elch correctly translated with moose.

Couple of years ago,I spent holiday on a beautiful,romantic cattle ranch in BC,near Cranbrook.
In the evening always a bunch of wapitis/elks jumped over the barbed wire and greased with the horses on the meadows.
A phantastic few.
A dry lady in the middleage,also a riding guest,a former German, which emigrated for decades to Chicago said to us in German "take your cameras Elche (she heared always elk for that animals in USA) are standing between the horses"
And I said "these are Wapitis no Elche (moose)"
She looked almost angry to me and meant "you should have been more careful at school"
"yes madam,in my next life"
Regards
Foxi

 

[svinejakt]

Lets just advise mr Shockey to come to Norway to hunt the next time if he wants a wild reindeer. My favorite kind of hunt
I like his show and believe he`s a good figure for the hunting community.

 

[Scott Slough]

Lets just advise mr Shockey to come to Norway to hunt the next time if he wants a wild reindeer. My favorite kind of hunt
I like his show and believe he`s a good figure for the hunting community.

My Shockey had (he may still own them) the exclusive hunting rights to a wild herd of reindeer on one of the Aleutian islands of Alaska. His personal hunt and multiple guided hunts have been prominent on his shows in the past. He discussed the difference between the reindeer he was hunting and domesticated reindeer...I would be VERY shocked if he were to have hunted domesticated reindeer.

 

[svinejakt]

That seems to have happened. He hunted reindeer in Sweden, they only have domesticated reindeer. Maybe that hunt was oversold to him by the swdews that arranged it. sounds very exotic to hunt Lappland with the Sami people. don`t believe he hunted tame animals with that intent. hope not.

Edit: I had not heard about this for a couple hours ago. Now suddenly the case came in my feed. The hungarian guy who hunted in Lappland. They mean it`s illegal. The sami "goverment".
http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/lulea/ssr-om-mutskandalen-ren-ar-inte-jaktbart-vilt-nm4792543.aspx
Like I said, this does not mean that mr Shockey has done soemthing wrong, but maybe the Sami "outfitters" sold something they could not sell.

 

[Moosemind]

My Shockey had (he may still own them) the exclusive hunting rights to a wild herd of reindeer on one of the Aleutian islands of Alaska. His personal hunt and multiple guided hunts have been prominent on his shows in the past. He discussed the difference between the reindeer he was hunting and domesticated reindeer...I would be VERY shocked if he were to have hunted domesticated reindeer.

Anyone can hunt the Caribou on Adak and the Reindeer on Atka and Akutan. Getting there is a different story. I've hunted all of them and never met Jim Shockey. These herds were all planted and are not indigenous to the Aluetian Islands. I spent 15 years commercial fishing the Aluetian Chain and Bering Sea.

 

[sestoppelman]

Anyone can hunt the Caribou on Adak and the Reindeer on Atka and Akutan. Getting there is a different story. I've hunted all of them and never met Jim Shockey. These herds were all planted and are not indigenous to the Aluetian Islands. I spent 15 years commercial fishing the Aluetian Chain and Bering Sea.

Old Alaskan tugboat guy I used to work with called them "Aleutian moose"! He hunted them too.

 

[Philip Glass]

The anti-hunting influence is on the increase and as everyone knows ethics surrounding hunting is more important than ever. It is therefore pretty sad to discover that one of the most recognized names in the business, Jim Shockey, apparently seems to have been in Sweden filming a hunt on domesticated reindeer and that the show is airing on one of the networks.

https://www.wildtv.ca/preview/5769

No hunter in Sweden with any form of moral compass would hunt these animals and if so they would instantly become the laughing stock of the community. According to a journalistic text in one of the national hunting magazines, it is also questionable whether it is legal due to the fact that these animals are categorized as livestock.

Another case concerning a Hungarian politician has hit the headlines the last couple of days:

https://budapestbeacon.com/semjen-might-have-illegally-downed-a-reindeer-in-sweden/

Nevertheless, I just wanted to give everyone a heads up so that you do not book any of these hunts without knowing.

PS: For hunting wild reindeer neighboring Norway is a much better choice.

Not really interested in criticizing other hunters for ANY kind of hunting as long as it’s legal. We have wacky animal rights people all over the world to fight if you have the energy to do something productive.
Regards,
Philip

 

[sestoppelman]

Anyone can hunt the Caribou on Adak and the Reindeer on Atka and Akutan. Getting there is a different story. I've hunted all of them and never met Jim Shockey. These herds were all planted and are not indigenous to the Aluetian Islands. I spent 15 years commercial fishing the Aluetian Chain and Bering Sea.

A guy from AK should know how to spell Aleutian right though...LOL.

 

[Blue Moon]

They are wonderful dogs. Intelligent and very loyal. Out of curiosity, does your family use the term elg or moose when speaking of the moose in their native language?

Elg in Norwegian. Älg in Swedish. Moose in English. I don'tt know where the Elk in Elkhound comes from. Maybe a mistake when they first translated it?

 

[Blue Moon]

Not really interested in criticizing other hunters for ANY kind of hunting as long as it’s legal. We have wacky animal rights people all over the world to fight if you have the energy to do something productive.
Regards,
Philip

Hi Philip,
Love your Krieghoff you presented in the other thread! Pretty sweet DR.

The legal spokesperson of the national Sami association came out a couple of days and stated that hunting reindeer in Sweden is not legal. Svinejakt provided the link to the interview previously in the thread. http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/lulea/ssr-om-mutskandalen-ren-ar-inte-jaktbart-vilt-nm4792543.aspx

She explained that reindeer is categorized as livestock and that the legal method of killing such as an animal is by using a captive bolt pistol. “Distance kills” (like hunting) are only allowed if the animal is unhealthy or injured. She also says that it is not possible, according to existing laws and regulations, to issue a permit for “distance kills”. She finishes off by stating that these animals are not huntable game and that you have to go to Norway to find such. These are pretty strong comments considering the fact that she is their legal adviser and represents them. You would probably expect her to defend the organization’s members, not the other way around.

As previously explained, these are domesticated animals and they have lost some if not all of their natural ability to defend themselves, which make them an easy prey for predators. They are herded in pretty much the same way as sheep and some of them wear cattle bells for easy localization (I think they have started to use GPS bracelets, but I am not sure how common this is). These herds are a pain in the b**t when you are hunting these areas because the animals are not particularly shy. After some research on the net I found that the Hunting Consortium has intermediated these (according to the Sami spokesperson) illegal hunts for quite a while, probably at least 9 years. One of their clients wrote a hunting report saying: “I managed to get an outstanding bull when it fortuitously crossed the road in front of us”. Okay…

In the case of the Hungarian politician, the hunt seems to have been sold through an Hungarian agent. The story came to broader attention because one of the Samis recognized the ear tag on the reindeer as his. It is quite common that these herds mix and Samis usually separate the animals once a year when butchering.

I am sure people bought these hunts in good faith and it is sad to see that they have been misinformed and most likely tricked. It is without doubt difficult to do a due diligence on a hunt far away from home. Maybe it is a comparable with some lions mentioned on this forum which were marketed as wild and free roaming? At least these reindeer were free roaming.

 

[Jfet]

I am sure people bought these hunts in good faith and it is sad to see that they have been misinformed and most likely tricked. It is without doubt difficult to do a due diligence on a hunt far away from home. Maybe it is a comparable with some lions mentioned on this forum which were marketed as wild and free roaming? At least these reindeer were free roaming.

So who in Sweden is selling these hunts?

 

[Dinsdale]

Hi Philip,
Love your Krieghoff you presented in the other thread! Pretty sweet DR.

The legal spokesperson of the national Sami association came out a couple of days and stated that hunting reindeer in Sweden is not legal. Svinejakt provided the link to the interview previously in the thread. http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/lulea/ssr-om-mutskandalen-ren-ar-inte-jaktbart-vilt-nm4792543.aspx

She explained that reindeer is categorized as livestock and that the legal method of killing such as an animal is by using a captive bolt pistol. “Distance kills” (like hunting) are only allowed if the animal is unhealthy or injured. She also says that it is not possible, according to existing laws and regulations, to issue a permit for “distance kills”. She finishes off by stating that these animals are not huntable game and that you have to go to Norway to find such. These are pretty strong comments considering the fact that she is their legal adviser and represents them. You would probably expect her to defend the organization’s members, not the other way around.

As previously explained, these are domesticated animals and they have lost some if not all of their natural ability to defend themselves, which make them an easy prey for predators. They are herded in pretty much the same way as sheep and some of them wear cattle bells for easy localization (I think they have started to use GPS bracelets, but I am not sure how common this is). These herds are a pain in the b**t when you are hunting these areas because the animals are not particularly shy. After some research on the net I found that the Hunting Consortium has intermediated these (according to the Sami spokesperson) illegal hunts for quite a while, probably at least 9 years. One of their clients wrote a hunting report saying: “I managed to get an outstanding bull when it fortuitously crossed the road in front of us”. Okay…

In the case of the Hungarian politician, the hunt seems to have been sold through an Hungarian agent. The story came to broader attention because one of the Samis recognized the ear tag on the reindeer as his. It is quite common that these herds mix and Samis usually separate the animals once a year when butchering.

I am sure people bought these hunts in good faith and it is sad to see that they have been misinformed and most likely tricked. It is without doubt difficult to do a due diligence on a hunt far away from home. Maybe it is a comparable with some lions mentioned on this forum which were marketed as wild and free roaming? At least these reindeer were free roaming.

Personally I think you could have made a better case telling anyone that these are not legal hunts and don't buy one. Instead you tried to throw someone under the bus for a 5 year old hunt because they have some name recognition.

I think you're a troll and can't ban you, but will do the next best thing.....

Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[Blue Moon]

So who in Sweden is selling these hunts?

No one is willing to come forward at this stage for good reasons, even the Helicopter firm (caught on a picture) that supposedly transported the reindeer in the Hungarian case say that they know nothing. Down below is a link to the old hunting report I referred to in the quote. I do not know whether these people still are active and involved in other hunts.
http://**NOT**PERMITTED**.redpointr...-range-reindeer-hunting-with-the-sami-people/

 

[buck wild]

I think you're a troll and can't ban you, but will do the next best thing.....

Welcome to the ignore list.

oh so wrong @Dinsdale !! The ability to ban is at your finger tips and wallet

https://www.africahunting.com/threa...y-ban-button-auction.42606/page-4#post-436075

 

[Royal27]

oh so wrong @Dinsdale !! The ability to ban is at your finger tips and wallet

https://www.africahunting.com/threads/moderator-for-a-day-ban-button-auction.42606/page-4#post-436075

 

[Dinsdale]

oh so wrong @Dinsdale !! The ability to ban is at your finger tips and wallet

https://www.africahunting.com/threa...y-ban-button-auction.42606/page-4#post-436075

 

[Blue Moon]

Personally I think you could have made a better case telling anyone that these are not legal hunts and don't buy one. Instead you tried to throw someone under the bus for a 5 year old hunt because they have some name recognition.

I think you're a troll and can't ban you, but will do the next best thing.....

Welcome to the ignore list.

I did not know that it was a 5 year old hunt when doing the initial post, because it just recently (this autumn) aired on one of the cable news networks over here. I mentioned this in a thread. Maybe I am a troll, but this troll has at least put in a lot of time in this to get the facts right and I hold my grounds. If it will make you feel any better I will definitely unregister. No worries. It will also save you a couple of bucks.

 

[Scott Slough]

I did not know that it was a 5 year old hunt when doing the initial post, because it just recently (this autumn) aired on one of the cable news networks over here. I mentioned this in a thread. Maybe I am a troll, but this troll has at least put in a lot of time in this to get the facts right and I hold my grounds. If it will make you feel any better I will definitely unregister. No worries. It will also save you a couple of bucks.

If you are interested in the content of AH, I wouldn't unenroll...someone calling you a troll says more about them than you.