Thoughts on type of camps

[LivingTheDream]

I wouldn’t argue with that. But not being able to bring meat back does hurt. Where do I go to find a African hunt under $1200? Is it inside a tall fence over a feed trough?

Special is going to be close to 2k once the SF0088 passes.

There was a Greenhorn special posted where you could bring bring your kid, 3k for 2 people, 4 trophies. But nice way to have an open mind about the hunting experiences.

 

[CRowe]

So if I’m understand correctly there in fact is not a offer for less than a non res special elk tag?
Remember I was talking about DIY guys. They’re not usually the kind of guys that want a high fence feed trough auction animal hunt. I’m quick to admit I’ve got a whole lot to learn about African hunting. But in the short time I’ve been looking in to it there’s a whole lot of word play going on to disguise the reality behind the cheaper prices of some of these hunts and even the more expensive ones for that matter. So I feel like my question was valid.

 

[BRICKBURN]

…….Some seem to get off topic rather easily.
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Interesting that you noticed that.

 

[CRowe]

Sorry, I’ll see myself out now!

 

[BRICKBURN]

So if I’m understand correctly there in fact is not a offer for less than a non res special elk tag?
Remember I was talking about DIY guys. They’re not usually the kind of guys that want a high fence feed trough auction animal hunt. I’m quick to admit I’ve got a whole lot to learn about African hunting. But in the short time I’ve been looking in to it there’s a whole lot of word play going on to disguise the reality behind the cheaper prices of some of these hunts and even the more expensive ones for that matter. So I feel like my question was valid.

Everyone needs to learn about the laws and cultures of the foreign country they are travelling to. Keep at it.

There are some marketing ploys used by some outfitters. I have seen the Gimmick tent camps, I laughed at the offer.
That is no different than the marketing in the USA.

There is a simple way to get at DYI hunt in South Africa, buy a huge game farm and you can shoot all the critters you want out of your tent. You will need a CAE fence in order to hunt any time you want though.
It will be a little more costly than your typical hunt though.

 

[ActionBob]

Everyone needs to learn about the laws and cultures of the foreign country they are travelling to. Keep at it.

There are some marketing ploys used by some outfitters. I have seen the Gimmick tent camps, I laughed at the offer.
That is no different than the marketing in the USA.

There is a simple way to get at DYI hunt in South Africa, buy a huge game farm and you can shoot all the critters you want out of your tent. You will need a CAE fence in order to hunt any time you want though.
It will be a little more costly than your typical hunt though.

Might be cheaper if you hunt often enough and for enough years

And don't get it taken away by a corrupt government....

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

Kevin I think you would have our Melville and moon teak and leather 10 gun folding rifle rack. The bloody thing cost R10,950.00. You can even hang your pith helmet on it.

Lon

 

[LivingTheDream]

So if I’m understand correctly there in fact is not a offer for less than a non res special elk tag?
Remember I was talking about DIY guys. They’re not usually the kind of guys that want a high fence feed trough auction animal hunt. I’m quick to admit I’ve got a whole lot to learn about African hunting. But in the short time I’ve been looking in to it there’s a whole lot of word play going on to disguise the reality behind the cheaper prices of some of these hunts and even the more expensive ones for that matter. So I feel like my question was valid.

Well it is a matter of semantics, I saw it as 1500 per person. Which an elk tag will be 2k in the near future.

Remember we are talking Africa where it is illegal (most countries) to hunt without. PH, so not sure that is really applicable to the DIY guys. If a guy is determine to hunt DIY then he is probably not going to hunt Africa.

I also think it is in bad form to refer to an African outfitter as "high fence feed trough auction animal". Those do exist but many outfitters have large areas where you will never see a fence. The game is pressured so it is not a walk in the park.

If I am being honest, I dont believe your question was truly valid, it was said in jest because you didn't think it existed. I'm pretty sure if you took the time you could find the day rates and trophy fees to do an African hunt under 2k.

The wild areas have tremendous costs associated with keeping them wild, that has been explained. I know there are hunts where guys backpack out, I know a PH that would gladly take you on a tent, spike camp, backpack hunt but not sure if you would like his price point or if it would be wild enough for you. If you want I could refer to a PH that took me a cave in the middle of the Maasailand, but the license costs alone probably wouldn't be worth it. But they exist.

You can also explain to me why sheep hunts are so expensive since I'm bring my own gear, camping out on public land.

if I am being honest, I don't really have the tolerance for guys who constantly talk DIY public land and somehow act as if that is the only way to hunt or somehow makes the experience more rewarding. I have offered to help many DIY hunters plan a trip to Africa, and how they could do it very cost effectively, but also get the "it is not wild or it is like ordering off a menu" or "I want to bring back meat to feed my family" and I could go on with different excuses I have heard including I would want to fly first class and explained how they could do that for free as well. Seems like people have a set opinion and there is no way to break that.

If I were you, I would figure out exactly what I was looking for, including animals/days you want to hunt and post on the hunt offers section saying this is what I would like to do and see if you get offers.

 

[CRowe]

Fellas, I never said I wanted a DIY hunt in Africa. The farthest I went was saying that I’d bring all my own food and gear if it was possible. Carry on.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Interesting that you noticed that.

My bad!!! Sorry!

 

[CRowe]

Livingthedream, I’ll send you a PM

 

[LivingTheDream]

Livingthedream, I’ll send you a PM

Sounds good!

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

@Tokoloshe Safaris has the best quality tent camp I've seen in Africa. Maybe he'll post pictures as a point of discussion of pros/cons for others.

Fly camp, on stone foundation, with on-suite shower and toilet. Fly camp "palapa" hut for dining room. It's pretty righteous Thank you for the kind comments about

 

[Deepfork]

Sorry, I’ll see myself out now!

Why you being like that?

Its not rocket science and sure there is marketing involved. Outfitters know that most people who buy those packages are going to opt to take more animals, so what!? I can tell you what I have learned from my one hunt in Africa.

I made the trip after purchasing one of those cheap(three animals included) package hunts. No one told me I had to hunt from blinds or spot and stalk, I made the decision. No blinds no feed troughs for me. I knew when I purchased the hunt that I was going to take more animals than were included in the package and I did, about three times more. I was never pressured to hunt a blind or over feed, or to take any animals I did not want to take, I was given options. I had a great experience and met great people including my outfitter and PHs.

All that being said, there was a pair of hunters in camp that refused to deviate from the package they had purchased, they were going to shoot their three included animals on their 5 day hunt and head to the airport. Good for them, I can say they were not treated any differently from anyone else in camp by the staff.

 

[Foxi]

"Give me Africa all day every day!!"
1+

Roll,roll me away......to Africa
and my soul begins to rise.........
Bob Seger lets you dream

 

[BRICKBURN]

Fellas, I never said I wanted a DIY hunt in Africa. The farthest I went was saying that I’d bring all my own food and gear if it was possible. Carry on.

The OP, is trying to see what some segment of that clientele might be interested in with regard to the preferred "camp".

There is a huge well established service industry offering a wondrous variety of options for hunters and sightseers throughout Southern, Eastern, Central and Western African countries.
The realities of the laws place significant constraints on those offering those services to foreign clients and you will always be working within those limits.

Ask any Outfitter what they have on offer, see if it fits with your goals, check references, decide to go, or not.
I hope you (everyone) can find something that suits their interests and budget.
Good luck.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

Thank you Rookhawk, At great expense we built the best tented camp that we could. Only those that have actually built a semi-permanent camp in Africa know everything that building takes.

Here is just one example.
After picking a location and starting clearing and building we discovered that almost every night a very “unnatural wind” would take place. Maybe 5 minutes before it would hit it would sound like a jet plane taking off. The damage that this wind would do was terrible. What to do?

One our staff suggested we consult the local witch doctor, which we did. He told us that the area was sacred and that we had not asked the “spirits” for permission to occupy the site. He said that he would perform the “blessing ceremony” which he and about 20 women performed. The ceremony went on day and night for about 10 days.

When the ceremony was over one of the women who talked to the spirits (with drums) told us the “spirits” said they were satisfied with our “hearts” and that we would be allowed to stay. Laugh if you want, but in the last four years we have not had the “spirit wind”, not even once.

Lon

 

[375Fox]

I’ve never had any complaints about a camp in Africa. Tent camp, permanent camp, lodge. A tent camp next to a permanent camp would feel very inauthentic to me. The things I’ve liked most at a camp haven’t been the type of lodging, it’s been the style and decorations of dining area and scene around the camp fire.

 

[Foxi]

on the farm hunts in RSA or Namibia it may be with pleasure comfortable,
But in real African wilderness I love tent, or straw hut.
A clean toilet, however, African shower.that's enough for me.

 

[375Fox]

Fellas, I never said I wanted a DIY hunt in Africa. The farthest I went was saying that I’d bring all my own food and gear if it was possible. Carry on.

I’ve read all your comments here. What I don’t think you’re understanding is the comparison of South Africa and Namibia is more to Texas. Private land, lots of hunts spread out over a few months, permanent lodging. Most of South Africa and Namibia are not wilderness areas and still won’t compare to extremes of Alaska. Wilderness hunts in Africa are considerably more expensive than private land hunts not for the lodging but for cost to maintain areas and conduct anti-poaching and also paying the government for animals. There is no legal free hunting for all in Africa like North America. Camp staff is a very cheap expense maybe $15/staff per day?