Same outfitter or try something new?

[ActionBob]

True very true especially seeing it with a trusted ph.
As said earlier it is a foreign concept to me and I believe it's an Internet based trend (jumping from outfit to outfit) I have multiple clients that has hunted with me for 10 + years and some for 15 I have hunted all over south and the entire Southern Africa with most.

There are varying approaches I tend to build relationships especially with those I trust. Many of my clients do the same and still see Africa, and we get to experience it side by side.


Just this past season I had two relatively new friends/hunters that tried something different and got burnt they're back this year.

I guess it depends on the type of person one is everyone's different.

My best

Are you getting married or just dating?! LOL

Seriously, I want to get out and see the rest of what's out there and also want to hunt again with the guys I had a good experiences with.

 

[KWALATA SAFARIS]

Black wildebeest are indemic to SA but not indigenous to Namibia neither are Blesbuck, black wildebeest are not indigenous to limpopo as they die of "harts water" very quickly.. (Tick born disease) So do springbuck.

Lechwe not indigenous to SA.

Actionbob my clients get to see what's out there they don't just one area. (Multiple provinces, multiple countries) are you proposing?

My best always

 

[BRICKBURN]

....... I hunted sable in Limpopo is it native to the area?

The natural range for Sable in RSA does cover sections of Limpopo, North West, Gauteng, Mpumalanga.
The one you hunted was very likely not native but reintroduced.

 

[KWALATA SAFARIS]

The natural range for Sable in RSA does cover sections of Limpopo, North West, Gauteng, Mpumalanga.
The one you hunted was very likely not native but reintroduced.

Quite correct as most game on many ranches in SA
My best always

 

[ActionBob]

Jaco I was just trying to give you a little grief over your passion for monogamy between PH and Client

I am still married to my first wife and hope to keep it that way! Messing that up can have terrible ramifications. We have a neighbor who says his wife made him a millionaire.... She divorced him and took half!

However I really don't feel guilty about "cheating" on my first PH..... Even though I do want to go back and hunt with him again. He only does PG. So when I want to go for DG I need to look elsewhere.... I know there are PH's who take their clients to go on other hunts and enlist another PH if they are not licensed for whatever... Those must be "threesomes"? Sounds kinky but expensive!

 

[KWALATA SAFARIS]

Ahhhhhh bob if we can't get married who can?

 

[ActionBob]

Oh Jaco;
I'm just not ready to settle down yet!

 

[KWALATA SAFARIS]

Oh Jaco;
I'm just not ready to settle down yet!

Jeez Bob you're such a slut!

Well I don't know if it's all that bad you seem to be getting some action!

 

[jeff]

The natural range for Sable in RSA does cover sections of Limpopo, North West, Gauteng, Mpumalanga.
The one you hunted was very likely not native but reintroduced.

Yes I knew it was introduced was not sure if they were native to the area. Thanks

 

[jeff]

ActionBob, and Jaco I feel it is only proper to warn you about the dangers of internet dating! LOL

 

[KWALATA SAFARIS]

O Jeff but it feels so right ....

Find your gun hunters mingle.com
We have barrels of all shapes and sizes!

 

[Royal27]

O Jeff but it feels so right ....

Find your gun hunters mingle.com
We have barrels of all shapes and sizes!

You're really sick Jaco....

At least I know why I like you!

 

[Buff-Buster]

This thread is going downhill..fast! Lol

 

[ActionBob]

Yea I'm out. It has become as bad as discussions involving politically correct colors for hunting clothes.

 

[Hank2211]

However I really don't feel guilty about "cheating" on my first PH..... Even though I do want to go back and hunt with him again. He only does PG. So when I want to go for DG I need to look elsewhere.... I know there are PH's who take their clients to go on other hunts and enlist another PH if they are not licensed for whatever...

Assuming you aren't married to your PH (please, let me assume that), then of course if your PH can't give you what you need, then you have to look elsewhere. I don't think anyone would argue with that. What some of us have been saying is that you can get all of the exposure to different species, different areas, different countries, and even different PH's, all by using the one PH you know and trust, who knows you and knows Africa far better than you ever will, who you have a great time with, and who will look after you because you're friends and he knows you will be back. If you've been lucky enough to meet such a PH, then why not stick with him?

Try it. It actually ain't so bad.

 

[IdaRam]

Is it common for PH's to assist their established clients when a client is shopping for a hunt that is not offered by the guy's regular PH? For example, client has hunted several southern african countries with a given PH. Client now wants to hunt other countries and species such as Tanzania, Cameroon, Benin, etc and game species such as Generuk, Bongo, LD Eland, the Gazelles and so on. Wouldn't the PH be happy to help his client connect with the right outfit in the new country in which the client wants to hunt? Wouldn't the new PH be willing to pay some kind of commission for the referral of clients? I would think he would also be happy to have another PH say, "hey, these are my clients I have been hunting with them for years. They are good people, you won't have any problems. Take good care of them." Who knows how many trips and animals those new clients may be good for?
Seems like a win-win. Go to your trusted PH first. Ask him if he will help you line up your next hunt or at least give you a recommendation and maybe a phone call for you? Heck, invite him along. Let him know if he can work it out with the other PH, he's welcome to come along. Maybe he wants to go to Cameroon too At least give him a chance to make a commission on your next hunt even if it's not with him. I bet in one way or another, he's earned it!
I have no idea if this is common practice, but it seems like it would make sense.
Any of you PH's out there do something like this on a regular basis?

 

[KWALATA SAFARIS]

Is it common for PH's to assist their established clients when a client is shopping for a hunt that is not offered by the guy's regular PH? For example, client has hunted several southern african countries with a given PH. Client now wants to hunt other countries and species such as Tanzania, Cameroon, Benin, etc and game species such as Generuk, Bongo, LD Eland, the Gazelles and so on. Wouldn't the PH be happy to help his client connect with the right outfit in the new country in which the client wants to hunt? Wouldn't the new PH be willing to pay some kind of commission for the referral of clients? I would think he would also be happy to have another PH say, "hey, these are my clients I have been hunting with them for years. They are good people, you won't have any problems. Take good care of them." Who knows how many trips and animals those new clients may be good for?
Seems like a win-win. Go to your trusted PH first. Ask him if he will help you line up your next hunt or at least give you a recommendation and maybe a phone call for you? Heck, invite him along. Let him know if he can work it out with the other PH, he's welcome to come along. Maybe he wants to go to Cameroon too At least give him a chance to make a commission on your next hunt even if it's not with him. I bet in one way or another, he's earned it!
I have no idea if this is common practice, but it seems like it would make sense.
Any of you PH's out there do something like this on a regular basis?

I have been involved like this for 15 years so I reck n it's common, due to clients demand we expanded into our own areas in Moz.... So that is one box ticked...
If an old friend is dead set on Namibia I can point him in the right direction... (I don't go to Namibia that much anymore though)
I am even hunting and guiding legally in Cameroon and CAR due to clients demanding it....

Guys this is not a foreign concept it is actually quite the opposite I know many ph's that do it.

Please don't for a second assume that your SA ph is a non dangerous game ph we have as much experience and skill as many others out there.
Like myself...Alex , Guav Johnstone, Jason stone, Jacques, Izak Kirsten, Clive Curtis, Clinton van Tonder as well as Pierre, Jason van Aarde, Danie Roberts, Paul Stones and and and, all hunt 3 or more countries (legally) and multiple provinces within SA.

To me as mentioned before moving from one outfitter to another is a foreign concept (not wrong, but foreign) it is not how I got to know the industry and not how we operate.

I still believe it is a largely internet based phenomena due to the competitive nature of pricing on the web, as well as the way hunts are booked (not the most personal of platforms)

As outfitters and PH's we have resources that we have built up over the years, we can legally hunt and guide every Southern African species with our own clients and from there legally start hunting the forests, all we established was a network in which we could operate and all this due to the demand of our own clients.

My best always

 

[htx519]

IdaRam,

To respond to your question as to whether it's common practice to have a PH recommend or refer their clients to other outfitters, the answer is sometimes...... As Jaco has pointed out, there are PHs/Outfitters in RSA who are licensed and experienced in all the South African provinces as well as other countries. These outfitters can provide almost any kind of safari and desired species for their clients...... With that in mind, the main reason I choose to hunt with the same PH/Outfitter on repeat visits is because of the relationship we have established built out of trust and confidence in the type of experience that will be consistently provided to us. From that foundation, if you have an outfitter with the capability to facilitate any type of hunt in many locations, why would anyone look any further?

As a client myself, my wife and I are always looking for new species to hunt and new terrain to explore. Once you visit Africa and become hooked, it's only natural to desire new experiences with each subsequent visit...We are also fortunate that we have found an outfitter in Limcroma and a PH in Hannes Els that has the knowledge, experience, and logistic capabilities to afford their clients these opportunities. Hannes is also one of the few PHs that is qualified to pursue the Big 5 and dangerous 7 with a bow. I'm looking forward to taking my first cape buffalo with my bow this September with Hannes. The experience will be that much more meaningful to me because it will be beside a good friend with whom I have already made so many great memories. I doubt it would be as much fun doing this hunt with a different outfitter.

Now, if you have a PH/Outfitter that has a limited operation, or cannot provide a particular experience that you are looking for, I would hope that they would be professional and courteous enough to provide a referral or assistance if at all possible.

 

[jeff]

With that point of view I couldn't hunt with Limcroma because I've already hunted SA with others that did a good job and yet I'd like to.

 

[billc]

My main problem would be why would I use a ph just because I know them good in some of the real remote areas. Someone can only spend so much time hunting and getting to know areas. I could see someone knowing a few areas but if I was doing hunt in Car or congo for bongo I would want a ph who hunts that area all year.Plus who has hunted those animals for years

He would be in control of the hunt anyway not the ph you bring with. Maybe I guess some people would want a ph they know but that is not what is best for that kind of hunt.

Even just hunting areas in SA one guy can not know the best areas on each ranch from year to year with limit time on each place. With the kind of money a hunt can cost why not get someone who knows the area the best. It does not mean you had a bad hunt or even that you may never hunt with them again. Some guys just like to meet other people and don't look at it as a risk some do I guess.