sestoppelman
AH ambassador
There was some talk recently about bringing griz back into WA state as well, but I know there was quite an uproar so I dont know what became of it.
I can give you a forum for Utah hunters and fishermen.I live in the west.
I detest the federal government’s mismanagement of our resources.
I know it’s not a popular opinion but it’s mine and I have my reasons.I can give you a forum for Utah hunters and fishermen.
You'd get ran off the forum for even suggesting tthe states take over what is now Federal lands
Brent,I'd like to see Grizzlies introduced back into the Blue Range primitive area of east central Arizona. An area they used to inhabit, before the last one was killed in 1935.
It's possible. pretty remote country with areas that rarely see a human.Brent,
You might call bullshit on this but I was hunting on the edge of the blue 20 years ago with Wayne Carlton and he took a picture of a griz track down in a canyon. I’ve seen plenty of griz and their track and it was definitely a griz track.
Ben Lilly country!
I live in the west.
I detest the federal government’s mismanagement of our resources.
None of this below is meant in an argumentative manner. One thing I like about this form is that most of us seem to be able to conduct ourselves in a gentlemanly manner.I know it’s not a popular opinion but it’s mine and I have my reasons.
Thank you a respectful and well reasoned reply.None of this below is meant in an argumentative manner. One thing I like about this form is that most of us seem to be able to conduct ourselves in a gentlemanly manner.
Now that’s a fair opinion. I will say I know a pretty fair bit about the states and federal land management agencies. Budgets, processes, laws, policy and regulation (the states often play a bigger role here on federal land than many think), lawsuits, etc. I will say this. Federal management might not be to your standard which is a fair take on it. With the states you wouldn’t have a standard because there wouldn’t be much public access left. The states are generally required to generate funds from state held lands no matter what. Federal isn’t. Mixing Money and natural resources is a fickle thing and money almost always wins. This is obviously an oversimplification and a full discussion on this would take us the better part of the day. And at the end of it not much would change. I just like folks to get the whole current picture before they settle on an opinion.
For those who want to see better management of public lands I always say get involved with groups like Mule Deer Foundation, Rocky Mountian Elk Foundation, Wild Sheep foundation, National Wild Turkey Federation, etc. Those organizations have a large pull on Federal land agencies. And I don’t mean the little drinker projects and pulling old barbed wire fences they do as volunteer days. Nice to to do no doubt but there is real money and real influence from those organizations.
Thank you a respectful and well reasoned reply.
The land is for agriculture, mining, and timber production. The states are better at this than the federal government. Recreational uses are secondary and fail to generate enough revenue to be feasible.
I would love to see bison but since cattle ranching has taken hold, bison will not be reintroduced to most areas. They plow through normal cattle fences and the conflicts would be huge.I’m all for reintroduction of native species including grizzlies. I also think those decisions belong with land management and state game agencies and not on a ballot. Same goes for all wildlife management stuff. Like the wolf reintroduction in CO. What a waste of CPW dollars. They were already there naturally. All we had to do was not shoot them. Instead CPW is spending millions to reintroduce something that is already in the state.
And if we are reintroducing stuff I’d vote Bison over anything else at this point. They numbered in the millions and I’d like to see them ranging through Forest service and BLM lands where they used to be.
I was going to type this exact comment earlier today. You think cattle farmers get mad at a moose or two over damaged fences, imagine a herd of 100 bison on the move.I would love to see bison but since cattle ranching has taken hold, bison will not be reintroduced to most areas. They plow through normal cattle fences and the conflicts would be huge.
But the meat will taste good!And don’t forget the bison. Colorado was once home to hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of bison on the plains. They should reintroduce thousands of them in the National Forests here. One could hunt wapiti and bison during the same seasons. Of course you would need more horses or a bigger game cart for bison. I’ll bet a buffalo hind quarter would be a real bitch hauling out on a freighter pack. LOL
I would love to see bison but since cattle ranching has taken hold, bison will not be reintroduced to most areas. They plow through normal cattle fences and the conflicts would be huge.
I was going to type this exact comment earlier today. You think cattle farmers get mad at a moose or two over damaged fences, imagine a herd of 100 bison on the move.
be careful what you wish forI'd like to see Grizzlies introduced back into the Blue Range primitive area of east central Arizona. An area they used to inhabit, before the last one was killed in 1935.