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[Altitude sickness]

Here is how much of a secret such “methods” are

The Thing (listening device) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Red Leg]

1% of the JFK files will never be released.

1% of 800,000-1.2 million pages is a lot of information still withheld. Even with that information. There is no way anyone would be foolish enough to put in writing.

I’m sure 100% of the documents are either useless info or fake disinformation.
Oh, wait the CIA and US government would never do that.


And I’m a Yankee Doodle Dandy


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Then let's take Underhill (Sergyj Czornonoh's allegations were so long after the event and so lacking in believable context, they haven't even gained any real conspiracy traction.) It is worth noting that Underhill's comments and the forensic investigation of his death were available to the Warren Commission.

He reportedly told friends the day after JFK’s death on November 22, 1963, that a “small clique within the CIA” was responsible for the assassination, but he provided no specific names, documents, or tangible proof to substantiate this. His statements, as recorded the memo released in the JFK files (above), were second-hand accounts relayed to friends in an agitated state, not formal testimony or documented intelligence. In other words, there was zero actual evidence of what he claimed.

Secondly, Underhill’s background and credibility are worth examination. While he had ties to military intelligence during World War II and may have performed “special assignments” for the OSS and later CIA, he was not a ranking officer with any real access to the agency’s inner workings. His role as a journalist and possible occasional CIA asset suggests he might have picked up rumors or partial insights rather than insider knowledge were there actually such a conspiracy. Critics, like the author Gerald Posner (I recommend the conspiracy believers exercise a little critical review of their certainty by reading his book "Case Closed - Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK), have argued there’s no solid proof he was even an actual CIA asset (he was with certainty neither an analyst nor case officer), which further weakens his credibility as anyone but a very disturbed individual. Let's look at that aspect.

Third, his death—ruled a suicide in May 1964—admittedly complicates the narrative but in no way inherently validates his claims. Underhill was found with a gunshot wound to the head, which some find suspicious given his right-handedness and the bullet’s entry behind his left ear. However, no forensic or investigative evidence has emerged to overturn that official ruling. Friends noted and testified he was troubled and under psychiatric care, suggesting his suicide and wild assertions almost certainly have a far simpler and more logical explanation than conspiracy and cover-up. Sadly, conspiracy theories thrive on any shred of such ambiguity, allowing the believers to ignore all other actual evidence that might contradict the certainty of their assumptions.

So to conclude, Underhill’s claims get little traction because they’re anecdotal, lack substantiation, and compete with a crowded field of other wild conspiracy theories. Meanwhile, the actual evidence to date strongly supports the Warren Commission conclusions.

I simply prefer to base my conclusions on actual evidence rather than speculation and presumptions.

 

[steve white]

He won by 1.5%? Don’t think that is a landslide!

Try winning that much yourself if it's so easy.
At least Trumps votes weren't fake ballots and cheating.

 

[Brent in Az]

Lawfare legal firm settles with Trump.

Another swamp rat goes down.

'Lawfare' Architect Mark Pomerantz's Former Firm, 'Paul, Weiss,' Settles with Trump; Will Donate $40 Million in Legal Work

Paul, Weiss agreed to donate $40 million work of free pro bono legal services to defending Trump administration policies.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Altitude sickness]

RedLeg,

Sir, I agree, and that is why I wrote what I did in the quote. That if it’s released it is either bogus or disinformation. I believe those two letters I posted are disinformation.

So since we agree. Do you believe what we are being told. That the reason they can not release the remaining 1% is because of TradeCraft secrets. From the 50s and 60s? That would be as ridiculous as Ford motor company worried about Tesla learning how they made cars in the 60s

Even Trump won’t release the remaining 1%.

 

[steve white]

Then let's take Underhill (Sergyj Czornonoh's allegations were so long after the event and so lacking in believable context, they haven't even gained any real conspiracy traction.) It is worth noting that Underhill's comments and the forensic investigation of his death were available to the Warren Commission.

He reportedly told friends the day after JFK’s death on November 22, 1963, that a “small clique within the CIA” was responsible for the assassination, but he provided no specific names, documents, or tangible proof to substantiate this. His statements, as recorded the memo released in the JFK files (above), were second-hand accounts relayed to friends in an agitated state, not formal testimony or documented intelligence. In other words, there was zero actual evidence of what he claimed.

Secondly, Underhill’s background and credibility are worth examination. While he had ties to military intelligence during World War II and may have performed “special assignments” for the OSS and later CIA, he was not a ranking officer with any real access to the agency’s inner workings. His role as a journalist and possible occasional CIA asset suggests he might have picked up rumors or partial insights rather than insider knowledge were there actually such a conspiracy. Critics, like the author Gerald Posner (I recommend the conspiracy believers exercise a little critical review of their certainty by reading his book "Case Closed - Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK), have argued there’s no solid proof he was even an actual CIA asset (he was with certainty neither an analyst nor case officer), which further weakens his credibility as anyone but a very disturbed individual. Let's look at that aspect.

Third, his death—ruled a suicide in May 1964—admittedly complicates the narrative but in no way inherently validates his claims. Underhill was found with a gunshot wound to the head, which some find suspicious given his right-handedness and the bullet’s entry behind his left ear. However, no forensic or investigative evidence has emerged to overturn that official ruling. Friends noted and testified he was troubled and under psychiatric care, suggesting his suicide and wild assertions almost certainly have a far simpler and more logical explanation than conspiracy and cover-up. Sadly, conspiracy theories thrive on any shred of such ambiguity, allowing the believers to ignore all other actual evidence that might contradict the certainty of their assumptions.

So to conclude, Underhill’s claims get little traction because they’re anecdotal, lack substantiation, and compete with a crowded field of other wild conspiracy theories. Meanwhile, the actual evidence to date strongly supports the Warren Commission conclusions.

I simply prefer to base my conclusions on actual evidence rather than speculation and presumptions.

If I were in a pesky mood, might I inquire if that last sentence applies to Trump as well?....

 

[Red Leg]

RedLeg,

Sir, I agree, and that is why I wrote what I did in the quote. That if it’s released it is either bogus or disinformation. I believe those two letters I posted are disinformation.

So since we agree. Do you believe what we are being told. That the reason they can not release the remaining 1% is because of TradeCraft secrets. From the 50s and 60s? That would be as ridiculous as Ford motor company worried about Tesla learning how they made cars in the 60s

Even Trump won’t release the remaining 1%.

I obviously do not know. But if I had to make a guess, most of that material likely relates to agents and humint information that would be embarrassing, even dangerous to family members and associates’ families still living in Cuba and Russia particularly. Some may even be carrying on the family tradition as sources for US or allied intelligence. Whether for their safety or to protect a current asset, it would folly to put a spotlight on any of them.

I suspect others may implicate senior sources that for any number of reasons we would not want a current regime to know were available as US or allied assets at that time.

 

[Red Leg]

Back at the front, Russia's failure to adhere to a ceasefire against Ukrainian power infrastructure (214 Shahad UAVs last night alone) has been answered by a series of Ukrainian strategic strikes against Russian military and economic assets. The most important military target. was a successful strike against the Engles Airbase located about 60 miles east of Moscow which is home to that portion of the Russian strategic bomber fleet used to attack Ukraine with cruise missiles. One UA drone penetrated the cruise missile storage and prep facility setting off a massive secondary explosion estimated by one British analyst to be a 2-3 KT blast that damaged infrastructure in a 5 Km radius. It is very unlikely that all the bomber assets emerged unscathed.

Ukraine targets key Russian airbase with 'massive' drone attack

Russian authorities reported a "massive" Ukrainian drone attack on the Engels airbase in Saratov Oblast overnight.

abcnews.go.com

Russian channels are admitting that two TU-95 pilots were killed, increasing speculation that bombers were damaged or destroyed on the ramp while preparing to join the overnight attack with cruise missiles.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1jgj4k3/russian_telegram_channels_are_reporting_about_the

The UA attack also essentially destroyed a major Russian oil storage facility adding to Russian difficulty in exporting crude, but also in supplying its domestic refined requirements.

Russia’s Naftatrans Oil Depot in Krasnodar Reportedly Ceases to Exist After a Drone Strike

Witnesses report extensive destruction at the Naftatrans oil depot in Krasnodar, where an uncontrolled fire has spread following drone attacks.

united24media.com

Finally, the gas transshipment station in Kursk at Krasnodar Krai was destroyed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1jgbgq7/oil_transshipment_point_kavkazskaya_in_krasnodar

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

I don't follow what you say here.. I didn't notice any democrats names mentions in the article, could you explain why it speaks more to Democrats than Trump. Also, I always though that a "landslide" was more that 1.5 %. Please help me understand this. Thanks, brian

It’s simple. If the information in your copy-paste (it’s not an article) is accepted at face value, then the defeat suffered by the democrats last November is a pretty terrible indictment of how the American electorate feel about their current platform and candidates.

You suggest that Trump is terrible. If we accept that then what does it say about the democrats who lost to him by an even wider margin than they did in 2016?

 

[WAB]

Listening to Trump’s press conference. The man is making a fool of himself regarding Canada. He’s referring to the border as an arbitrary line that was drawn with a ruler. He says it was arbitrary and he doesn’t know why. Apparently his knowledge of history doesn’t go as far back as seventeen seventy six. This is embarrassing.

 

[WAB]

Stupid emojis. Seventeen seventy six.

 

[WAB]

OK, now he’s said that the Ukraine cease fire is holding very well. This is unbelievable.

 

[rookhawk]

Back at the front, Russia's failure to adhere to a ceasefire against Ukrainian power infrastructure (214 Shahad UAVs last night alone) has been answered by a series of Ukrainian strategic strikes against Russian military and economic assets. The most important military target. was a successful strike against the Engles Airbase located about 60 miles east of Moscow which is home to that portion of the Russian strategic bomber fleet used to attack Ukraine with cruise missiles. One UA drone penetrated the cruise missile storage and prep facility setting off a massive secondary explosion estimated by one British analyst to be a 2-3 KT blast that damaged infrastructure in a 5 Km radius. It is very unlikely that all the bomber assets emerged unscathed.

Ukraine targets key Russian airbase with 'massive' drone attack

Russian authorities reported a "massive" Ukrainian drone attack on the Engels airbase in Saratov Oblast overnight.

abcnews.go.com

Russian channels are admitting that two TU-95 pilots were killed, increasing speculation that bombers were damaged or destroyed on the ramp while preparing to join the overnight attack with cruise missiles.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1jgj4k3/russian_telegram_channels_are_reporting_about_the

The UA attack also essentially destroyed a major Russian oil storage facility adding to Russian difficulty in exporting crude, but also in supplying its domestic refined requirements.

Russia’s Naftatrans Oil Depot in Krasnodar Reportedly Ceases to Exist After a Drone Strike

Witnesses report extensive destruction at the Naftatrans oil depot in Krasnodar, where an uncontrolled fire has spread following drone attacks.

united24media.com

Finally, the gas transshipment station in Kursk at Krasnodar Krai was destroyed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1jgbgq7/oil_transshipment_point_kavkazskaya_in_krasnodar

With all these tit-for-tats and escalations, for the love of all that is Holy why don't they lay Kaliningrad to waste and take out all roads and rail? Koenigsburg can be rebuilt on its ashes, minus the entirety of the Russian Northern Fleet.

If the participants are playing a game of acquiring assets to trade, that seems like the most valuable asset to Russia's future. Without it, they are merely an also-ran Asian country.