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[cwpayton]

No. Fix bayonets and charge. Fighting the wrong style of war. You can't fault their bravery though.

BTW, if they were going to be mounted on anything it would have been horses. Camels are Arabs' mode of transportation.

yes they have camels in turkey

 

[cwpayton]

No. Fix bayonets and charge. Fighting the wrong style of war. You can't fault their bravery though.

BTW, if they were going to be mounted on anything it would have been horses. Camels are Arabs' mode of transportation.

there have been camels in Turkey for centuries , they have"- camel fights" as a national sport. so back to something more entertaining ,

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

The leader of a large nation, in fact the largest and most powerful nation in existence is a very big job. It is an awful lot to ask of a single human, but if you dilute the task down to a committee it is longer leadership. The very essence of sharp decision brings with it character, you can't have it both ways. The top general in the military takes advice, but ultimately the decision is his. If you want to see what no leadership looks like you have a very recent example to recall in the past four years. The Democrats didn't have a Trump, so they put in weakness hoping that their back room could get everything done through the facade. Thank God that it didn't work too well.
So now you have a leader, and I would argue an extremely good and powerful team along with him. That is the real major achievement of what has happened here.
Expect some bumps, but generally all metrics will be moving in what sane, normal people consider positive within a very short time. So do you just need to swallow hard and accept everything you personally don't like or agree with along the way? No, of course not, but the leaders amongst you, and there are many on this forum, need in my humble opinion to temper their reactions in the knowledge that they are indeed very influential and to therefore rise above the noise to help keep the direction positive.

 

[Pondoro]

Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium

But it is just about time, we are some years behind in eating shitty food in front of the TV.

Main point is that Norway isn't the miracle of economy, education and free healthcare that someone has painted for Mr.Trump.

He should look at Finland!

Well, be that as it may...Trump loves and respects money..and we´ve got a helluva lot more of that than the other nations you mention..

 

[hyipl]

 

[Neophyte]

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They were pretty evenly matched.
Either team could have won it. I usually watch hockey for the fights but this was worth watching for the good basic fundamental hockey.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Congrats to the Canada Hockey team! It’s their sport so important to Canada pride. As it should be.

But I have to say. The Goose on the Eagle is hilarious/ridiculous. No one could find a Grizzly meme or a moose

 

[Altitude sickness]

I think General Jack Keane has a grasp on the Russian, Ukrainian war very first steps towards negotiations.

He also gets how to get tyrants to the table. It actually takes sucking up your personal pride. Not venting all your personal thoughts to the opposition.

If Trump was seen as being 100% on the Ukrainian side, Putin would never come to the table.

Marco Rubio and Sergey Lavrov are the ones that will actually eventually get this done.

Marco would be well advised if he consulted with General Jack Keane occasionally. He is no war monger as many would claim.

Unfortunately, it’s what the negotiation team often is handed.
but it is a shame that the people that broke the vase are long gone (Obama/Biden,Blinken)and a new team gets to sweep up the broken pieces. And the cleanup team is blamed for upsetting people.

It would help to remember exactly who and what caused this mess in the first place. Not the team now holding the bag.

Remember Obama sending blankets and MREs. And even before that Obama’s weakness told Putin that he would get zero US resistance.

 

[Boyd Brooks]

Congrats to the Canada Hockey team! It’s their sport so important to Canada pride. As it should be.

But I have to say. The Goose on the Eagle is hilarious/ridiculous. No one could find a Grizzly meme or a moose

It was that or a beaver!

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Way to go @Tanks with the stereotyping vis a vis your Arabs and camels comment haha. Camels are pretty widespread over there and are used by more than one ethnic group… The Turkic peoples have probably been using them just as long as the Arabs, Berbers, Iranian and Indo-Aryan people groups.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Lots of Camels in Turkey! Half the population in Istanbul seems to sit around most of the day, sitting at sidewalk cafes while drinking little cups of coffee and smoking.

 

[Red Leg]

Have you not heard of the Armenian genocide in world war 1, when Turkey killed over 1 1/2 million Armenian Christians . Have you not heard of Erdogan, TURKEYS , dictator, who had his thugs in Washington DC attack Kurds within blocks of the capital May 2017.. the very day they were scheduled to talk to the president, a bloody brawl. I would post links, but the computer wont cooperate. THE genocide has never been apologized for or even given validity by Turkey .Have you not heard of TURKS attacks on US airman and navy sailors off base in Incirlik, turkey. Surely youve heard of the attacks on our allies the kurds in Iraq ,during the gulf war. That is my problem with the turks, a continual persecution of Christians. Recall the the military coup of 2016 that made an attempt to overthrow the corrupt dictatorship of Erdogan, Erdogan subsequently blamed a US general joe Votel as supporting and arrested many pentagon contacts and killed many of their citizens and many still sit in Prison,.
I have sat with a Turkish military man( training at the air base) in my house as my dinner guest and talked but received little but cold arrogance in return, so aside from the above maybe its just a personal "problem of mine"
YOU KNOW as well as I do that KOREAN military in Vietnam was top grade , well respected , and greatly feared by the NVA. they were dependable fierce, and no nva ever wanted to be captured by a Korean.
Aussies were also a worthy and admired allies who didn't hesitate to engage, they have histories respect and mine.
As far as the NATO support from Turkey, they weren't in NATO until 1952 ,so maybe it counts and maybe not.

I am aware of all sorts of things - Germany's murderous persecution of the Jews, Russia's extermination of the Kulaks, French atrocities against the Huguenots, British brutal subjugation of Scotland and much of Ireland, the Spanish Inquisition, and our own genocide against aboriginal Americans. None of that has squat to do the sacrifice of Turkish troops who supported the American sponsored UN action in Korea.

 

[Doubleplay]

Lots of Camels in Turkey! Half the population in Istanbul seems to sit around most of the day, sitting at sidewalk cafes while drinking little cups of coffee and smoking.

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On a side note, İstanbul is the most visited city in the World right now.

 

[Red Leg]

On a side note, İstanbul is the most visited city in the World right now.

On another side note those woeful Turkish forces decisively defeated a British led Commonwealth invasion force at Gallipoli in WWI.

 

[mdwest]

On a side note, İstanbul is the most visited city in the World right now.

It’s actually second. Bangkok was number one last year.

Key to note, that is almost completely driven by Chinese tourism. Both Bangkok and Istanbul are on cruise ship routes dominated by Chinese passengers.

Neither city is particularly high on the list for US or Euro travelers right now.

 

[Doubleplay]

Pentagon shaken up today by Trump.
Joint Chief Chairman an African American Four Star and Navy's top officer got fired along with some others in the name of reversing diversity initiatives.

 

[YancyW]

It’s actually second. Bangkok was number one last year.

Key to note, that is almost completely driven by Chinese tourism. Both Bangkok and Istanbul are on cruise ship routes dominated by Chinese passengers.

Neither city is particularly high on the list for US or Euro travelers right now.

I am sure you know well firsthand, but Istanbul is an incredible city. I've thought about taking that route to Africa just so I can lay over there for a few extra days, I don't have enough time to make it a standalone trip anymore.

 

[mdwest]

The last time I was there was the big riots in 2013 so it’s been a little while… but I really do enjoy Istanbul…

The food is great… Turkish baths are a wonderful experience..

Even back in 2013 Chinese tourism was getting pretty rough… a cruise ship would dock and 10,000 rude, inconsiderate people would descend on the city like locust…

But they generally stuck to major tourism sites like the blue mosque, grand bazaar, hagia Sophia, etc.. as long as you weren’t trying to do the same things at the same time, you’d barely know they were there…

Most people don’t realize just how huge a city Istanbul is… just under 1000 square miles.. it goes on forever… with tons of stuff to see and do off the beaten path if you’re willing to go native a little bit..

 

[gbflyer]

I think General Jack Keane has a grasp on the Russian, Ukrainian war very first steps towards negotiations.

He also gets how to get tyrants to the table. It actually takes sucking up your personal pride. Not venting all your personal thoughts to the opposition.

If Trump was seen as being 100% on the Ukrainian side, Putin would never come to the table.

Marco Rubio and Sergey Lavrov are the ones that will actually eventually get this done.

Marco would be well advised if he consulted with General Jack Keane occasionally. He is no war monger as many would claim.

Unfortunately, it’s what the negotiation team often is handed.
but it is a shame that the people that broke the vase are long gone (Obama/Biden,Blinken)and a new team gets to sweep up the broken pieces. And the cleanup team is blamed for upsetting people.

It would help to remember exactly who and what caused this mess in the first place. Not the team now holding the bag.

Remember Obama sending blankets and MREs. And even before that Obama’s weakness told Putin that he would get zero US resistance.

Crazy talk. You will be schooled point by point with “actual” experience here in a minute as to how foreign negotiations work.

 

[Tanks]

On a side note, İstanbul is the most visited city in the World right now.

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