Politics

[PARA45]

Im curious whats driving specifically Haitians to Springfield?

For example, I know that Perdue Farms (huge chicken company) used to employ tens of thousands of Haitians in the US.. what it came down to is Perdue couldnt get Americans to work in the chicken processing facilities (horrible, nasty, work that stinks, doesnt pay great, etc..)... so they would bring them over in large numbers (several thousand at each of their processing plants)..

When the earthquake hit Haiti in 2010, Perdue was one of the companies that hired my old firm to go to Haiti to try to track down family members and reconnect the Haitian Perdue employees with their families.. We literally had a list of more than 10,000 people to try to find (there was no shortage of Haitian Perdue Farms employees)...

The linked video speaks to Haitians typically staying in Haitian communities and that they are typically driven to certain areas by low cost housing opportunities and work opportunities..

Im going to guess there is some significantly sized employer(s) in the immediate area thats offering them work... and once you get a handful of Haitians on board, theyre calling every cousin, brother, sister, and the cousins, brothers, and sisters of all of their friends, to let them know about the opportunity...

Im not relieving the Biden Administration of its responsibility... it opened the borders, and our cities and towns are suffering the consequences...

But.. something more is driving that number of Haitians to a specific small town in the mid-west.. otherwise they'd be headed to Florida, Massachusetts, New York, or New Jersey, where there are already really large Haitian populations and "Little Haiti" sections of the larger cities established, known work opportunities, etc..etc..

I wonder if this has anything to do with the administration flying them to places like this city. It is strange that so many would go to a place like this.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

 

[Altitude sickness]

I do not even believe that's her worst part. For me, abuse of authority, by knowingly sending an innocent man to death row...I can scarcely imagine anything worse. But it does get worse. IMO, she's been part of a silent coup d'etat for the last 4 years. I don't know who's been running the executive branch since 2021, but it's for certain not been Biden, and it's equally certain she's aware that "they" have been running an unconstitutional government all that time. They hid him in the basement back in 2020 for a reason.

I’ve said it many times before. Remember the good old days when we thought only third world governments were corrupt.

But look at us commoners, distracted, and fighting each other doing their bidding. And as our next president Harris would say. “ Let me be clear.”

The politicians think of billionaire Donald Trump as a commoner also. He’s a commoner from Queens. How dare he run and win the presidency without getting in line and being anointed. So with their law fare, they have to show the rest of the commoners, stay in your position.

 

[bob meadows]

Here is a podcast/article of two religious conservatives debating whether one should support Harris over Trump. I think it is worth your time to give it a listen/read. It articulates many of my concerns regarding both candidates, as well as some of my reasons for backing Harris.

Opinion | Two Christian Conservatives Debate the Merits of Voting for Kamala Harris

Ross Douthat goes head-to-head with his fellow columnist David French over how to move Republicans past Trump.

www.nytimes.com

back harris? then you back the destruction of America......bob

 

[Datchew]

Matt Taibbi knows...

Its all just bread and circuses... a debate to entertain the masses... nothing worth actually listening to will come from it..

Ditto and bonus points for the Roman throwback.

You know 3 more people than I that are undecided.

Can't say we live in boring times!

 

[Flipper Dude]

Here is a podcast/article of two religious conservatives debating whether one should support Harris over Trump. I think it is worth your time to give it a listen/read. It articulates many of my concerns regarding both candidates, as well as some of my reasons for backing Harris.

Opinion | Two Christian Conservatives Debate the Merits of Voting for Kamala Harris

Ross Douthat goes head-to-head with his fellow columnist David French over how to move Republicans past Trump.

www.nytimes.com

Lord, what a pile of horseshit. Talk about trying to out think the room. This reminds me of those late night, deep, highly intellectual conversations you would have in college, solving all the world’s problems. If only someone would put us in charge.
We were constantly amazed by our own brilliance and rapier like wit
The guys fueled by beer or Jack, the coeds by Blue Nun or Malt Duck.

Reality kicks in.

Shit makes my head hurt.

 

[Brent in Az]

I have no doubt that ABC gave Kamala the questions weeks ago
These frauds wouldn't do otherwise

 

[Doug Hamilton]

I wish I agreed with you... but I just dont see it...

Granted AH isnt really representative of American society as a whole.. but who here is undecided at this point? Its got to be a very, very small number.. and most of those people are in states where because the number is so small, there will be little to no impact on the end result of the election (if youre a Texan and decide not to vote for Trump or to actually vote for Biden.. no big deal.. Texas will be going red again in November... or if youre a Californian and decide to vote for Trump.. or not to vote for Harris.. again, no big deal.. California will be going blue again in November...)... so unless that tiny piece of the AH population is in one of a handful of swing states, theres zero impact.. and even then I think the number of people we're talking about are so small, that the potential for impact is pretty minimal..

Then I look outside of AH.. Granted most of the social groups and business circles I run in are overwhelmingly conservative fiscally and socially.. but I do maintain a fairly substantial number friends and business contacts that range from more centrist conservative to hard left leaning progressives (Ive actually got a dinner meeting with a group of execs from a firm we sometimes do business with that are among the extremely hard left leaning types).... No one I know in those circles is undecided..

Then I look at the large group of people I know in Govt (my business works exclusively with government as a customer.. the businesses mentioned above are partners and vendors that we work with to meet our govt customer needs)... without exception every single person I know in govt has their mind made up... there is no further consideration or thought that is going to be applied before pulling the lever in November..

Without exaggerating I know personally exactly zero people that are still on the fence... and only a very small group of people either through online connections or that are "friends of friends" type relationships that are still trying to make a decision (I can count them on 1 hand)..

Im going to go back to my original statement.. what do we expect to learn about either candidate that we dont already know?

In 1980 we NEEDED the debates.. shy of reading an article in the local paper or a magazine.. or maybe seeing a candidate for 2-3 minutes on TV, we really didnt KNOW much about candidates at the federal level.. and only those that really wanted to be informed were informed..

Today, between facebook, X, online forums, memes, constant MSM coverage, etc etc etc.. and the ability for information to literally travel around the entire globe in a matter of seconds... and the fact that just about everyone over the age of 9 in the US has a cell phone and access to wi-fi 24 hours a day... there is little to nothing we dont know about the candidates, if you have even a tiny bit of interest in finding out..

I dont see that very small number of independents left on the fence waiting until tonight to try to "learn" something about Harris or Trump that is going to drive a decision.. if they truly want to know anything about the D platform, whether or not Trump is a good father, who Willie Brown is and why that matters, etc..etc.. that information has already been out there for months (in many cases for years).. and theyve already accessed it..

Tonight is about people on the right hoping Trump makes Harris look like an idiot.. and people on the left hoping Harris makes Trump look like a bigot and/or racist..

Anyone that cares about how either will deal with the economy, approach foreign policy, deal with the conflicts in Ukraine or Israel, etc..etc.. already knows the answers to those questions..

The same thing could have been (and was) said before the Biden/Trump debate. It changed everything.

 

[WAB]

Here is a podcast/article of two religious conservatives debating whether one should support Harris over Trump. I think it is worth your time to give it a listen/read. It articulates many of my concerns regarding both candidates, as well as some of my reasons for backing Harris.

Opinion | Two Christian Conservatives Debate the Merits of Voting for Kamala Harris

Ross Douthat goes head-to-head with his fellow columnist David French over how to move Republicans past Trump.

www.nytimes.com

Saul,
Thank you for sharing this. It is important that we try to understand the basis of opposing views as opposed to simply being dismissive of them. My takeaway from the discussion is that neither are conservative as I would define it, and both are over thinking their positions. The greatest thinkers simplify complex issues. I am in no way claiming to be one of them, but for me it comes down to which candidate/party most clearly aligns with my belief in the role of government in society. I don’t think that this has ever been more clearly defined than by Frederic Bastiat in his treatise ‘The Law’. To that end, the democrats are the antithesis of my belief in the role of government in society. Unfortunately, the republicans also fall far short of the mark, but at least they hold to core values that more closely align with my own. What truly baffles me is that in a Nation of 300 million people, could we have come up with two worse candidates?
Regards always,
Bill

 

[Brent in Az]

 

[gbflyer]

I wish I agreed with you... but I just dont see it...

Granted AH isnt really representative of American society as a whole.. but who here is undecided at this point? Its got to be a very, very small number.. and most of those people are in states where because the number is so small, there will be little to no impact on the end result of the election (if youre a Texan and decide not to vote for Trump or to actually vote for Biden.. no big deal.. Texas will be going red again in November... or if youre a Californian and decide to vote for Trump.. or not to vote for Harris.. again, no big deal.. California will be going blue again in November...)... so unless that tiny piece of the AH population is in one of a handful of swing states, theres zero impact.. and even then I think the number of people we're talking about are so small, that the potential for impact is pretty minimal..

Then I look outside of AH.. Granted most of the social groups and business circles I run in are overwhelmingly conservative fiscally and socially.. but I do maintain a fairly substantial number friends and business contacts that range from more centrist conservative to hard left leaning progressives (Ive actually got a dinner meeting with a group of execs from a firm we sometimes do business with that are among the extremely hard left leaning types).... No one I know in those circles is undecided..

Then I look at the large group of people I know in Govt (my business works exclusively with government as a customer.. the businesses mentioned above are partners and vendors that we work with to meet our govt customer needs)... without exception every single person I know in govt has their mind made up... there is no further consideration or thought that is going to be applied before pulling the lever in November..

Without exaggerating I know personally exactly zero people that are still on the fence... and only a very small group of people either through online connections or that are "friends of friends" type relationships that are still trying to make a decision (I can count them on 1 hand)..

Im going to go back to my original statement.. what do we expect to learn about either candidate that we dont already know?

In 1980 we NEEDED the debates.. shy of reading an article in the local paper or a magazine.. or maybe seeing a candidate for 2-3 minutes on TV, we really didnt KNOW much about candidates at the federal level.. and only those that really wanted to be informed were informed..

Today, between facebook, X, online forums, memes, constant MSM coverage, etc etc etc.. and the ability for information to literally travel around the entire globe in a matter of seconds... and the fact that just about everyone over the age of 9 in the US has a cell phone and access to wi-fi 24 hours a day... there is little to nothing we dont know about the candidates, if you have even a tiny bit of interest in finding out..

I dont see that very small number of independents left on the fence waiting until tonight to try to "learn" something about Harris or Trump that is going to drive a decision.. if they truly want to know anything about the D platform, whether or not Trump is a good father, who Willie Brown is and why that matters, etc..etc.. that information has already been out there for months (in many cases for years).. and theyve already accessed it..

Tonight is about people on the right hoping Trump makes Harris look like an idiot.. and people on the left hoping Harris makes Trump look like a bigot and/or racist..

Anyone that cares about how either will deal with the economy, approach foreign policy, deal with the conflicts in Ukraine or Israel, etc..etc.. already knows the answers to those questions..

All about TV ratings and generating sound bits used out of context.

 

[WAB]

View attachment 633154

Too late. Please disregard all future posts from me tonight.

 

[Brent in Az]

Kamala comes out swinging with lies.....

 

[Hunt anything]

That’s has been a great influx of Haitians in north Alabama, they are supposedly going to work in the chicken processing plants.

 

[LivingTheDream]

The line "I'm speaking line" was good.

 

[Brent in Az]

That woman really makes my skin crawl

 

[WAB]

That woman really makes my skin crawl

Agreed. A cackling fence post. I may not like Trump but she is cementing the need to vote for him!

 

[Datchew]

I don't think we have all the facts on Haitians in Ohio but the memes are hilarious

 

[Red Leg]

Some voters may take notice. David Muir is trying to emulate Tapper and be reasonably even handed. But on the abortion issue particularly, Trump was debating Harris and Linsey Davis.

This will be effectively a draw. Dem world will declare Harris the winner and Trump world will support him. The polls ten days from now will tell the tale.

I will confess she is extraordinarily irritating.