Politics

[wesheltonj]

While I agree that Trump was rude, crude and socially unacceptable, he was the best choice and will be again. I am not voting for “Pope,” I am voting for President. This policies were point on, and the establishment and administrative state could not purchase him. While I like DeSantis, I am still concerned about the corrupting influence of DC. And while I think the “ Unindicted co-conspirator“ was the cause of a lot of division. There was plenty before him.

Look at how the press treated W, who did not fight back. The press can’t handle a street fighter like Trump.

 

[WAB]

There are many reasons why he was not re elected. His tweeting isnt one of them. That was just an excuse for the more sensitive to not vote for him. If that isnt obvious then I dont what to tell you guys.

Frankly I laughed loud and long over all that BS. Didnt bother me a bit, but then I aint Woke I guess.
How about all the false narratives put up by the left. Russian agent/fake dossier, golden showers, Ukranian agent, the whole of the leftist party and probably half the other, it was one thing after another.
The media burying all the Biden stories, Hunters laptop, Bidens showers with his daughter, crooked business deals. All buried as "Russian disinformation" by the FBI! We know that now for certain.
Who perpetrated all of that? HRC with the help of the FBI, FISA courts, Mueller etc.
From the moment he declared he was under constant assault from all sides.
Wonder how any of us would have done any much better under those circumstances.

Yes, his policies were sound, that should have been enough for all of us, it was for me.
I will vote for him again if he gets the nomination.

I don’t think it’s too much to ask that our president display a certain amount of decorum. Great politicians know how to eviscerate someone with class. Ronald Reagan was one. I will not vote for him in the primary. I will vote for him if he gets the republican nomination.

 

[sestoppelman]

While I agree that Trump was rude, crude and socially unacceptable, he was the best choice and will be again. I am not voting for “Pope,” I am voting for President. This policies were point on, and the establishment and administrative state could not purchase him. While I like DeSantis, I am still concerned about the corrupting influence of DC. And while I think the “ Unindicted co-conspirator“ was the cause of a lot of division. There was plenty before him.

Look at how the press treated W, who did not fight back. The press can’t handle a street fighter like Trump.

Exactly right!

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

While I agree that Trump was rude, crude and socially unacceptable, he was the best choice and will be again. I am not voting for “Pope,” I am voting for President. This policies were point on, and the establishment and administrative state could not purchase him. While I like DeSantis, I am still concerned about the corrupting influence of DC. And while I think the “ Unindicted co-conspirator“ was the cause of a lot of division. There was plenty before him.

Look at how the press treated W, who did not fight back. The press can’t handle a street fighter like Trump.

But W got re-elected.

 

[sestoppelman]

But W got re-elected.

W didnt have the whole world on his neck trying to take him down, only the Demtard party, and only half hearted at that.
Not a fair comparison. Besides W was establishment, an insider, part of a political dynasty. Just no comparison to Trump, a novice non political newcomer, bull in the China Shop take no prisoners, piss them all off and sort 'em out later kinda guy.
C'mon man!

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

W didnt have the whole world on his neck trying to take him down, only the Demtard party, and only half hearted at that.
Not a fair comparison. Besides W was establishment, an insider, part of a political dynasty. Just no comparison to Trump, a novice non political newcomer, bull in the China Shop take no prisoners, piss them all off and sort 'em out later kinda guy.
C'mon man!

Not making any comparisons, just stating a fact. I would say W had lots of people around the world pissed at him due to Iraq/Afghanistan. It wasn’t just the DNC.

 

[sestoppelman]

People "around the world" dont usually vote in our elections......

 

[steve white]

I don’t think it’s too much to ask that our president display a certain amount of decorum. Great politicians know how to eviscerate someone with class. Ronald Reagan was one. I will not vote for him in the primary. I will vote for him if he gets the republican nomination.

except Clinton had no decorum (Lewinski) Obama had no decorum (slighted national day of prayer and just about every reach across the aisle initiative...unless the decorum was directed to terrorist supporters invited to the White House)

 

[wesheltonj]

W’s father was CIA director and President, his grandfather was a partner in Brown Brothers & Harriman. You can’t get any more establishment than that.

 

[Red Leg]

I think Trump's domestic agenda was correct. That is a very big deal. I believe, in general, his policy toward China was correct. That too is a big deal. I think he was largely wrong about Europe, and wrong about Putin if not Russia. That too is very important.

The Western Alliance, NATO, was an American creation that provided a unified bulwark against Soviet expansionism. In the last decade of the twentieth century it became more a collective security arrangement. That happened primarily on Bill Clinton and George W. Bush's watch while we were mesmerized with the Middle East and while Europe convinced itself Russia was no longer a threat. Whatever if became, it in no way lessened the US national interest stake in Europe.

Certainly, trying to get European countries to meet their domestic defense expenditure commitments was the right thing to do. Warning Europe of its dependence upon Russian natural gas was absolutely prescient. But what he seems to not understand to this day, is getting Europe to do and be aware of these things was in our national interests so as to make NATO stronger - not so that we could go stick our collective heads in the sand in a disastrous repeat of the 1930's "America First" movement. I don't believe Trump has ever had an understanding of the nature and criticality of those national interests. Based upon his silence on Ukraine, he still doesn't. Though he is achieving something like folk hero status on Russian television, which of course is nothing more than a propaganda outlet for the Kremlin.

And I absolutely believe his inability to ignore a perceived enemy, however powerless and insignificant, clearly damaged his ability to effectively lead the country, fight the House led impeachment nonsense, and solidify political support leading to the 2020 election. Even now he spends as much energy denouncing Mitch McConnel as he does any democrat.

And before we start our usual circular firing squad with respect to the purity or swampliness characteristics of the latest Republican targets of his ire, he needs to take some counsel of the fact that he needs the McConnels of the world as badly as he does his devoted 35-40% if he wants to be president again. He also needs conservatives like me and others who his antics find concerning, even embarrassing. And the fact that his faithful don't find that a problem is totally and completely irrelevant if enough conservatives like me do so.

I suspect 2024 will turn on voter enthusiasm. We had better have it in spades. Pat Ryan's easy upset victory in NY 19 may be a bell weather for 2022 as well. Trying to hold my nose tight enough to vote for Trump again is not enthusiasm.

 

[sestoppelman]

It will be interesting to see who our choices are in the primary. If they foolishly roll out Bush again or anybody like him, and Trump is there too, Trump will win the nomination.
And if Joe is nominated for the dems, ( I dont think he will be ) I will vote Trump. I will vote Trump no matter who the dems run in fact.

Other than DeSantis, I dont know who else is up to it that might run. I am not impressed with the usual suspects.

 

[Red Leg]

It will be interesting to see who our choices are in the primary. If they foolishly roll out Bush again or anybody like him, and Trump is there too, Trump will win the nomination.
And if Joe is nominated for the dems, ( I dont think he will be ) I will vote Trump. I will vote Trump no matter who the dems run in fact.

Other than DeSantis, I dont know who else is up to it that might run. I am not impressed with the usual suspects.

All too true.

 

[Ray B]

Did anyone see the report today by the papermache guy from Facebook? FBI agents visited Facebook and warned of some Russian mis-information that Facebook would receive and Facebook needed to delete it. Nevermind that it was authentic and had it become knowledge to the public that Trump would have handily won the election. When the FBI "suggests" it's like saying the speed limit is a suggestion.
For you that think Trump would have won if he had a "modicum" of civility, you need to expand your sources of information.

 

[sestoppelman]

I saw it Ray. They were covering for Joey.

 

[WAB]

It will be interesting to see who our choices are in the primary. If they foolishly roll out Bush again or anybody like him, and Trump is there too, Trump will win the nomination.
And if Joe is nominated for the dems, ( I dont think he will be ) I will vote Trump. I will vote Trump no matter who the dems run in fact.

Other than DeSantis, I dont know who else is up to it that might run. I am not impressed with the usual suspects.

I agree, DeSantis seems to be the only credible contender at this point.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

At one time Tim Scott got some mention but I haven't heard anything lately.

 

[Sabattiboy]

But W got re-elected.

If anybody remembers, Putin publicly said not to change presidents during a war. America didn't whether it was by Putin's advice or not.

 

[Ray B]

It wasn't Trump that displayed spoiled brat behavior. He was responding in self-defense to a bunch of elected officials in the House & Senate and appointed office holders of the several agencies, most are DemonRats but some also Republicans. These alleged Homosapiens persisted in doing an imitation of Neanderthal. Lies upon lies upon lies. False stories and evidence that never became more than a figment of Schitferbrains imagination. And the lot of them including 10 Republicans voted to have him removed from office for invented violations. Those things have no right to continue as either an elected or appointed position.

If a hot war breaks out and DC is hit by a nuclear bomb I would hope that the enemies intelligence was correct and congress was in session and those liars such as Swallowell, Schitferbrains. Pelosi, Waters, Warren and the rest of that scum get exactly what they deserve.

 

[Zambezi]

I liked 99% of Trump's policies but he himself left a lot to be desired. As an outsider I would say the only way the Dems can hold on to power in 2022 is if Trump stands again.

Hear me out...

Let's say he and De Santis run then you have two candidates that have the same policies but Trump is, well Trump. His popularity will ensure his faithful support him (30% - 40%) but it is not enough to get him across the line. He MAY pull in a few percent from the undecided middle. Of that 30& - 40% many only voted for him because there was no viable option so I would guess that in reality is 30%.

People are fed up with Biden and the Dems but no way in hell will any Dems vote for Trump and the RINOs will still not support him. Even though there is a shit show currently playing out.

Now put De Santis up there, he has the policies to match the Trump vision without the personality flaws. Yes he MAY get corrupted by the swamp but it is not a given! Not every human is corruptible. With De Santis you'll have 30%-40% plus all the rest of the Republican vote and you'll pull a hell of a lot more from the undecided middle AS WELL AS a lot of disenfranchised Dems.

If you want the Dems out you have to dump the idea of Trump standing again. If Trump endorses De Santis you're on to a winner.

 

[PARA45]