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The Trump admin must still submit names to the Senate for approval. Therefore, I have a problem with everyone involved, including Trump. Do not get me started on state judges...
You really have no idea how uninformed that comment reads do you? You simply disregard a description of the process by someone in our forum who actually understands it, and you still conclude it (whatever it is) is all Trump's fault. It is the same "don't confuse me with the facts" response as when I challenged your conclusions about general officers not supporting Trump based upon a clearly slanted article in the "Atlantic." I frankly believe that I am already starting to see a shift in appellate decisions that speak to the progress the administration has made with respect to the courts. The DC Court of Appeals decision granting a writ of mandamus in the Flynn case is the latest example.

My final job in the Pentagon was as Chief of Army Legislation. That means I was responsible for defending and explaining Army programs on the Hill, supporting Army testimony, and providing background information to members and staff as requested. I dealt with McCain and his staff a lot. He was the single most opportunistic member with whom I had to interact. He took positions not because they were good or bad for the country or my service, but because they made him look like a contrarian - or "maverick" - as he preferred. He would do almost anything if he thought it would give him favorable, preferably anti-Bush administration, press.

Sure Trump's comment about McCain's POW status was stupid - he has the capacity to say a lot of foolish things. But I am certain what he is actually attempting to do for the country is infinitely better than what the Democrats intend to do to it.
 
You really have no idea how uninformed that comment reads do you? You simply disregard a description of the process by someone in our forum who actually understands it, and you still conclude it (whatever it is) is all Trump's fault. It is the same "don't confuse me with the facts" response as when I challenged your conclusions about general officers not supporting Trump based upon a clearly slanted article in the "Atlantic." I frankly believe that I am already starting to see a shift in appellate decisions that speak to the progress the administration has made with respect to the courts. The DC Court of Appeals decision granting a writ of mandamus in the Flynn case is the latest example.

My final job in the Pentagon was as Chief of Army Legislation. That means I was responsible for defending and explaining Army programs on the Hill, supporting Army testimony, and providing background information to members and staff as requested. I dealt with McCain and his staff a lot. He was the single most opportunistic member with whom I had to interact. He took positions not because they were good or bad for the country or my service, but because they made him look like a contrarian - or "maverick" - as he preferred. He would do almost anything if he thought it would give him favorable, preferably anti-Bush administration, press.

Sure Trump's comment about McCain's POW status was stupid - he has the capacity to say a lot of foolish things. But I am certain what he is actually attempting to do for the country is infinitely better than what the Democrats intend to do to it.

I most certainly did not disregard his comments. I merely emphasized the fact that regardless of committee recommendation, the president must still nominate the candidate for the appointment. That means that the president is ultimately responsible for who is submitted to the Senate. Trump has nominated plenty of qualified justices, but he has also nominated some truly unqualified people IMO.

With regard to Flynn, that judge was clearly out of line and politically grandstanding for the media.

I think I did a fairly good job clarifying my point about the generals who have spoken out against Trump, although it seems that it was not to your satisfaction. Let me take another shot at it. The article I shared was to generate a list of names for discussion. I do not know much about these men, and so I was hoping that someone with more personal knowledge of them (such as yourself) would enlighten me, and I think that you have. I have not challenged your evaluations of any of these men.

I am also quite interested in hearing about your experiences with McCain and his ulterior motives. Please forgive the militarily uninitiated. I draw my conclusions about these men from their years of esteemed military service, and I will always choose to trust in the patriotism of those who have served until proven otherwise.
 
Besides the proven fact that Russia attempted to interfere in the 2016 election for Trump and Putin has stated numerous times that he both supports Trump and will try to interfere again, China really fears a Biden presidency in which the United States leads a coalition of nations in an economic attack on China. Make no mistake, I do support Trump's actions on China. However, his do-it-alone approach is exactly what China wants.

Russia did try to disrupt the 2016 election, just as they have done in the past, just as they will attempt in the future. They try to sow discord on both sides.

Please show actual evidence where Russia interfered in the 2016 election in favor of Trump. The Mueller report said there was no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The Obama officials who went to the media and said there was collusion between Trump and Russia, testified before the house intelligence committee, under oath that they had no evidence that this happened, yet they continue to say it happened to the media. Please show examples of it really happening?

Since, "Putin has stated numerous times that he both supports Trump and will try to interfere again," please site actual examples?

Trump is the first president that has been tough on China and yet you say China really fears a Biden presidency?!?! Please show examples of Biden talking about how he will go after China and why China fears him. Biden's son received $1.5B in funds to manage from China. Hunter was on AF2 on that trip with his father. Right after the trip, China commenced their invasion of the nine dash line. The Obama administration did nothing about it. Obviously China isn't afraid of Biden. Probably because they bribed him and his son. When Trump started the tariffs, Biden said we have nothing to fear from China and condemned Trump for the tariffs. Please show examples of Biden condemning China and why China is afraid of him?

Saul, I look forward to the examples you provide!
 
Russia did try to disrupt the 2016 election, just as they have done in the past, just as they will attempt in the future. They try to sow discord on both sides.

Please show actual evidence where Russia interfered in the 2016 election in favor of Trump. The Mueller report said there was no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The Obama officials who went to the media and said there was collusion between Trump and Russia, testified before the house intelligence committee, under oath that they had no evidence that this happened, yet they continue to say it happened to the media. Please show examples of it really happening?

Since, "Putin has stated numerous times that he both supports Trump and will try to interfere again," please site actual examples?

Trump is the first president that has been tough on China and yet you say China really fears a Biden presidency?!?! Please show examples of Biden talking about how he will go after China and why China fears him. Biden's son received $1.5B in funds to manage from China. Hunter was on AF2 on that trip with his father. Right after the trip, China commenced their invasion of the nine dash line. The Obama administration did nothing about it. Obviously China isn't afraid of Biden. Probably because they bribed him and his son. When Trump started the tariffs, Biden said we have nothing to fear from China and condemned Trump for the tariffs. Please show examples of Biden condemning China and why China is afraid of him?

Saul, I look forward to the examples you provide!

You are correct, the Mueller report found no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, but it did find that Russia interfered in the election n favor of Trump.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-...a-interfered-in-the-2016-election-11555666201

Putin has made it clear that he will continue this interference in 2020.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...w-jokes-about-election-meddling-idUSKBN1WH1GH

Now, Biden is by no means my first choice of candidates to go after China. In fact, I think Trump would be, if only he would do so with a coalition of nations. Biden is far too cozy with China for my liking. Still, it seems that China fears an international opposition to them far more than they do more tariffs from Trump.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/11/biden-presidential-election-china-trump-asian-americans/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ency-wouldn-t-mean-better-u-s-china-relations
https://www.wsj.com/articles/presid...suspected-chinese-iranian-hackers-11591294980
 
I am also quite interested in hearing about your experiences with McCain and his ulterior motives. Please forgive the militarily uninitiated. I draw my conclusions about these men from their years of esteemed military service, and I will always choose to trust in the patriotism of those who have served until proven otherwise.

I know this is not directed at me, but if you are really interested in knowing more about McCain, start by spending a couple hours on the internet researching McCain's relationship to Marc Turi. This will lead you down a rabbit hole into a warren that will take a few days to get out of. If you just read a couple of articles, nothing changes. If you really want to know about McCain, and do what I just mentioned, your head will be popping out in every war or conflict America has had in the past twenty years and the reason for those conflicts and your opinion of McCain is changed forever.

There are tons of retired FOGO's that deserve our respect and admiration. McCain has forfeited that right.
 
You are choosing to ignore every statement I have made in support of Trump and instead only focusing on my criticism. Yes, the main thrust of my posts has been to criticize Trump, but that has not been my only comments on him. I do not believe that therefore qualify as having "TDS" but rather that I am simply trying to weigh the pros and cons of his reelection. IF you care to offer some pros, I would be happy to discuss them. However, I am growing tired, as you clearly are too, of having to defend everything I say from being called "naive" without any counterpoint.

I wasn't going to bother to reply until I read LivingTheDream's post... He pretty much said exactly what I would have said. So, thanks @LivingTheDream for saving me the time and effort. (y)

McCain was a bitter petty person. He did everything he could to be a thorn in Bush's side after he lost the primary and was a thorn in Trumps side since Trump won. MCCAIN WAS THE VOTE, THE DECIDING AND ONLY VOTE TO KEEP OBAMACARE! Do you think he did that out of moral duty.

Jeff Flake didnt sacrifice his political career, he made a bad short term political bet but was trying to play the center in a state that is purple.

And honestly, if you are picking a president based on personality over policies, then there is nothing else to really talk about.

A lot of us have explained our reasons why and you have respectfully disagreed. Now maybe you can answer a question for me, how does giving Democrats 4 years in power help return this country to conservative values in the long term? To my understanding, your hope is that they dont do much.
 
A poll posted at Brietbart, states that Joe Biden has a 12 point lead over Trump.
 
If I ever was charged with a crime, I want this dragon slayer on my team!

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@Saul I read the article that you are referencing that said China wants Trump since the short term pain of tariffs/trade will in the long run be outweighed by the benefits of an isolated US where China could step into the power void. My thinking is that this was before Coronavirus where a lot of Nations are now angry at China (see Australia).

As far as Russian meddling, please look two steps deeper, they say they will try to interfere and they previously tried to interfere not to actually make a difference but for the American people to lose faith in its democratic process. If the American people lose faith in democracy, Russian will have broken America without ever shooting a bullet. I would say that the media has played directly into their hands with that one.

I'm not sure Joe Biden has ability or will appoint the right people to boost the image of America international. I think you will get niceties in the papers and from diplomats but actual results I think it would be a huge step back.
 
@Saul I read the article that you are referencing that said China wants Trump since the short term pain of tariffs/trade will in the long run be outweighed by the benefits of an isolated US where China could step into the power void. My thinking is that this was before Coronavirus where a lot of Nations are now angry at China (see Australia).

As far as Russian meddling, please look two steps deeper, they say they will try to interfere and they previously tried to interfere not to actually make a difference but for the American people to lose faith in its democratic process. If the American people lose faith in democracy, Russian will have broken America without ever shooting a bullet. I would say that the media has played directly into their hands with that one.

I'm not sure Joe Biden has ability or will appoint the right people to boost the image of America international. I think you will get niceties in the papers and from diplomats but actual results I think it would be a huge step back.
That very well might be the case, though I can see it playing the opposite as well. In recent months, we have seen China become increasingly emboldened. They have used COVID as an opportunity to make moves that otherwise would have drawn international derision. Australia and Germany are certainly taking a much more aggressive stance against China than before. The question is, will Trump seize on this opportunity to work with our allies in fighting China.

I completely agree that Russia's goal first and foremost is to erode faith in the democratic process. However, with Trump, they seem to have an American president who is not interested in maintaining the alliances that have long attempted to oppose Russian influence. Whether you agree or disagree with these alliances is ultimately irrelevant because at the present, nothing has been done to counter Russia in a meaningful way.

I think we can all agree that America's international image has severely degraded in recent years. Say what you will about NATO defense spending, trade deals, etc., this is not a good place to be when facing enemies as powerful as China and Russia. If anything, Biden's even-keeled approach to governance will rebuild trust with our allies that America will not be making any snap policy decisions. There is something to be said for a steady, albeit slow, hand in international politics.
 
That very well might be the case, though I can see it playing the opposite as well. In recent months, we have seen China become increasingly emboldened. They have used COVID as an opportunity to make moves that otherwise would have drawn international derision. Australia and Germany are certainly taking a much more aggressive stance against China than before. The question is, will Trump seize on this opportunity to work with our allies in fighting China.

I completely agree that Russia's goal first and foremost is to erode faith in the democratic process. However, with Trump, they seem to have an American president who is not interested in maintaining the alliances that have long attempted to oppose Russian influence. Whether you agree or disagree with these alliances is ultimately irrelevant because at the present, nothing has been done to counter Russia in a meaningful way.

I think we can all agree that America's international image has severely degraded in recent years. Say what you will about NATO defense spending, trade deals, etc., this is not a good place to be when facing enemies as powerful as China and Russia. If anything, Biden's even-keeled approach to governance will rebuild trust with our allies that America will not be making any snap policy decisions. There is something to be said for a steady, albeit slow, hand in international politics.

Even keeled is exactly what our enemies want, whether foreign or domestic. Even keel has taken a once great and powerful nation, THE nation, and turned us into a bunch of self preservationist. I for one am glad to see America in the lime light again, and for other nations to realize that maybe the good old US of A will not necessarily be there to bail their asses out of whatever trick they have gotten themselves into.

Say what you will about the might and power of China and Russia. If any of the three, including the US, go toe to toe, it spells lights out for the world anyway. So the only war that will be waged, and has been waged by all three, is to try and destroy the other from within.
 
Thank you for your explanation, and I think that it does make sense, so I will not disagree. I still respect the hell out of John McCain for his service to the nation and it angered me to no end to hear Trump both speak critically of his military service and to speak ill of the dead. I very well might have let that influence my opinion.

To answer your question, I will first say that I do not consider myself conservative, though the new left of the democratic party would probably end up calling me so. I also do not believe that I pick presidents based on personality over politics. Instead, I try to remain as independent as possible and view both the policies and the morals of each candidate with objectivity. Well it boils down to which morals are important to the individual. For me bringing God back into all aspects of America is important, fighting abortion is important, holding corrupt world leaders etc is important to me, not bowing to the swamp is important to me. That is what I consider moral to me. The fact that he might have screwed a porn star BEFORE he was President has little bearing. Since he became president he seems to have curbed his less than angelic tendencies.When it comes to reelection, I also weigh whether that president has been successful in executing their campaign promises He has kept more promises than any other president that I can remember and would have kept a great deal more if he wasn't blocked and attacked at every turn. Hardly his fault. and how they conduct themselves as president. As mentioned he has curbed his bad personal behaviour BUT I do believe he could vastly improve his presidential persona. But then again if he gets the job done then one shouldn't care if he's wearing a baseball cap with a spinning propeller on top. That is where I diverge from Trump. Back to your question, I believe that giving democrats power for 4 years will help to return this country to both a position of international power by bringing our allies back to our side, Uuuummmmm no not at all! You will have a whole new set off allies that one wouldn't really want as allies in the first place. The Democrats openly court communist and socalist coutries as well as Islamic ones... are these the the allies you want? As for irking your current allies, they are only bitching because he is holding them accountable. Believe me if they ever got into a fix they would all of a sudden LOVE Donald. So don't worry about them! They know which side of their bread is buttered! as well as to hopefully reduce some of the divisiveness in politics. Sorry but this is a load of nonsense! The democrats THRIVE on division, if you can't see that then.... And if by some miracle they don't sow any more division than they already have, they surely will come election time again, especially if they are losing power! Is this wishful thinking? Probably. Is it still worth the gamble? To me, yes, especially because I do not believe that Biden will threaten the policies that I hold to be most important. They will not cede power , they WILL use all the dirty tactics they can and those that they used against Trump such as the fake dossier, fake news, division, and some new ones like voting in electronic voting, and myriad more... So tell us which are the policies YOU hold dear that you think the Democrats won't mess with. Those policies denote, to a large extent, your moral stand point and what you think is important to your version of America. If you are not a conservative but are 100% in the centre then I have bad news for you, the "centre" is going to move faaaar to the left under the democrats

My comments in red... but feel free to ignore them. After-all I'm not an American, just someone from a sh!thole that sees the results of the leftist policies on a daily basis where I live.
 
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 4909 minutes west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it's my fault."
 
That's the dems master plan he won't make 6 months and then they will put in the first black women this is all planned.god help this country if that happens
I’m not going to get into political debates with anyone but let me state why I’ll be voting for Trump.
First let me state that I think Trump is rude and crude, not Presidential, is childish at times, attacks anyone who differs from his opinion and has made what are in my opinion, questionable firings.
Additionally, he has done a few things that have perturbed me... Not wearing a mask while telling everyone in America to wear one. Also turning the COVID updates into news conferences. When he walked across the street from the WH and held up the Bible, all he had to say was everyone is equal under God and under the law. He should have more strongly praised the peaceful protesters for exercising their 1st Amendment rights while at the same time condemning the looters and rioters.
That said, he stands for the 2nd Amendment, appoints conservative judges to the SCOTUS and lower courts, has done a lot for our military, cut taxes, reduced regulations that pushed the DOW to $29k prior to COVID, is against illegal immigration and all of this while fighting impeachment and attacks from the Dems and now COVID.
Ever since election night 2016 the Dems have tried to bring this President down and have done nothing else.
As for Biden, he’s been in government for 50 years and NOW he’s going to change the world? Additionally, he obviously isn’t of totally sound mind. If elected, I doubt he’ll be able to complete his first term which will leave us with his VP and who knows after that.
As far as Biden’s policy, he has already said he’ll grab “assault rifles”. He’s been all over the place on other issues, going from left to far left depending on the wind.
Those are my views and I’m sticking to to them.
 
My comments in red... but feel free to ignore them. After-all I'm not an American, just someone from a sh!thole that sees the results of the leftist policies on a daily basis where I live.

You have engaged in this conversation in both a civil and meaningful manner so of course I will not ignore your comments.

Well it boils down to which morals are important to the individual. For me bringing God back into all aspects of America is important, fighting abortion is important, holding corrupt world leaders etc is important to me, not bowing to the swamp is important to me. That is what I consider moral to me. The fact that he might have screwed a porn star BEFORE he was President has little bearing. Since he became president he seems to have curbed his less than angelic tendencies...As mentioned he has curbed his bad personal behaviour BUT I do believe he could vastly improve his presidential persona. But then again if he gets the job done then one shouldn't care if he's wearing a baseball cap with a spinning propeller on top.

We will have to disagree on god and abortion for now. With regard to his past behavior, I find it important to examine his actions, as it is at least somewhat indicative of his moral compass. With that said, there is nothing that shows me that personal moral failings mean that a person cannot be an effective leader. The point I am trying to emphasize is that there are plenty of solidly conservative politicians who live upstanding moral lives and would be far better representation of American values than Trump. Furthermore, I find it extremely difficult to simply brush aside his own admissions of sexual assault, the degrading ways he has talked about women, his utterly repugnant and often flat-out wrong tweets, and his puerile approach to the office of the presidency.

He has kept more promises than any other president that I can remember and would have kept a great deal more if he wasn't blocked and attacked at every turn. Hardly his fault.

He has certainly kept some promises, namely lowering corporate taxes, which I consider to be the highlight of his presidency. However, his failures are the direct result of either not making the necessary compromises to pass legislation or the wholly unacceptable attempts to shirk processes, which has resulted in many of his directives being stymied. His all-or-nothing approach to governance has continued legislative gridlock and worked against his own agenda.

Uuuummmmm no not at all! You will have a whole new set off allies that one wouldn't really want as allies in the first place. The Democrats openly court communist and socalist coutries as well as Islamic ones... are these the the allies you want? As for irking your current allies, they are only bitching because he is holding them accountable. Believe me if they ever got into a fix they would all of a sudden LOVE Donald. So don't worry about them! They know which side of their bread is buttered!

From what I have seen, Trump has courted Saudi Arabia, Russia, and North Korea as allies. THESE are not the allies we want. I agree with Trump that we need to demand more from our European allies as far as defense spending is concerned. However, the real threats we face are from China, Russia, and Iran. We need an international coalition to properly deal with these countries, and that is impossible when Trump does not even try to build such coalitions.

Sorry but this is a load of nonsense! The democrats THRIVE on division, if you can't see that then.... And if by some miracle they don't sow any more division than they already have, they surely will come election time again, especially if they are losing power!

Once again, we will have to disagree on this. What you see as democrats promoting division, I see as democrats attempting to deliver on their promises of social justice and inclusion. I see Trump's failure to show any compassion whatsoever for those who are victims of violence, racism, and oppression as far more divisive. If after the George Floyd killing, he had spoken to the pain that many communities were feeling and vowed to both protect the 1st Amendment rights of peaceful protesters, deliver substantial reforms, and maintain peaceful conditions in cities, he would not be in his current position.

So tell us which are the policies YOU hold dear that you think the Democrats won't mess with. Those policies denote, to a large extent, your moral stand point and what you think is important to your version of America.

Some of the policies that I hold dear are guns, personal freedoms, healthcare, women's rights, taxes, Israel, justice reform, government spending, the environment, and countering Russia/China/Iran/Saudi Arabia. As you can see, I am pretty evenly split down the middle, which means I have to look at which policies I believe are most easily threatened by a Biden presidency vs a Trump presidency. Obviously, my calculations change based on the candidates. For instance, I would vote for Trump over Sanders because I believe that Sanders is a bigger threat to my policy views than Trump.
 
That's the dems master plan he won't make 6 months and then they will put in the first black women this is all planned.god help this country if that happens
What exactly will happen that is so disastrous by merely having the first black woman as president?
 
What exactly will happen that is so disastrous by merely having the first black woman as president?

The country is still owned and ruled by white men. She'd be blocked in every thing she tried to do. Research how many legislative initiatives that were passed in to law that were introduced by a black woman or man. What did Obama accomplish? Men in girls' bathrooms, a disastrous health care plan that made those with private insurance pay even more exorbitant rates and a failed foreign policy.
 
The country is still owned and ruled by white men. She'd be blocked in every thing she tried to do. Research how many legislative initiatives that were passed in to law that were introduced by a black woman or man.
To get this straight, your resistance to having a black woman as president is that she would be less effective because of racist white men? In my opinion, regardless of justification, that is discrimination. Furthermore, I would be trying to vote out these obstructionists rather than keep out black women.
 

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