Politics

[CoElkHunter]

Numerous news outlets now require signing on to read their stories on line. No such problem on the Telly however.

CNN doesn't. I had never even read an article from left wing CNN for years until recently when FOX started this nonsense. I guess the genius who replaced Robert Murdoch thought this was a good idea. I, and many other longtime FOX news readers, probably don't think so either.

 

[Red Leg]

Trump has no legal influence or authority over elected members of Congress. If they choose to do as he suggests, its probably because they agree with him.

You are an intelligent person, so please don't champion assumptions channeled by the ignorant and uninformed. As you well know, Trump has enormous political power and he is using it to his electoral advantage to insure the border remains a prominent election issue. I get it. My problem with him doing so is that those efforts are counter to our national interests and such political calculations will kill Ukrainians and embolden Russia.

 

[Corey0372]

Good suggestion. But what's happening with FOX news? They require the potential reader now to put in their email to read their articles? Last time I did that with my email, I received dozens of unsolicited emails a day from everyone and their sister. I've quit reading FOX news over this.

Corporate media is dying, this is them on life support, if they can't get people to pay for their subscriptions they'll likely just sell their readers' data to advertisers that'll just spam their inboxes.

Huge layoffs at major newspapers all month. I imagine there will be more and more AI generated news articles from the corporate press in the near future.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Corporate media is dying, this is them on life support, if they can't get people to pay for their subscriptions they'll likely just sell their readers' data to advertisers that'll just spam their inboxes.

Huge layoffs at major newspapers all month. I imagine there will be more and more AI generated news articles from the corporate press in the near future.

OK, I'll admit I'm naive I guess, but WHY is Corporate media dying? What media is replacing it? I thought FOX news had very high ratings compared to other outlets?

 

[sestoppelman]

You are an intelligent person, don’t say things channeled by the ignorant and uninformed. Trump has enormous political power and he is using it to his electoral advantage. My problem with him doing so is that his efforts are counter to our national interests and those political calculations are killing Ukrainian.

I dont believe that I am channeling anything, Joe. My statement is a matter of fact. I didnt say he doesnt have influence, he does, but only to those who agree with him. Do democrats care what he says?
What office does he hold at this time, none.
If they dont like what he thinks or says, they can tell him to go pound sand, he has no authority to demand anyone do anything, and there is certainly no guarantee that he will be the next president.
That is what I mean and I think its a reasonable statement, and I resist the suggestion that I am channeling things from the ignorant and uninformed, I am neither.
I make up my own mind about things, thank you very much.

 

[Red Leg]

OK, I'll admit I'm naive I guess, but WHY is Corporate media dying? What media is replacing it? I thought FOX news had very high ratings compared to other outlets?

Fox does. Bret Baier for instance averages 2.3 million viewers and dominates his time slot. But according to Pew Research 80% of the US population are watching TV. That is something over 300 million people. The vast majority aren't watching Bret. Also according to Pew, 83% of the US public consume news in some form each day. Most of that is on line.

 

[Red Leg]

I dont believe that I am channeling anything, Joe. My statement is a matter of fact. I didnt say he doesnt have influence, he does, but only to those who agree with him. Do democrats care what he says?
What office does he hold at this time, none.
If they dont like what he thinks or says, they can tell him to go pound sand, he has no authority to demand anyone do anything, and there is certainly no guarantee that he will be the next president.
That is what I mean and I think its a reasonable statement, and I resist the suggestion that I am channeling things from the ignorant and uninformed, I am neither.
I make up my own mind about things, thank you very much.

We are debating nonsense. In politics one's opponents, regardless of party, have vast influence. Moderate and actual conservative republicans are focused on surviving a potential second Trump term. Of course, his views carry enormous weight. And you understand that as well as I do.

 

[deewayne2003]

OK, I'll admit I'm naive I guess, but WHY is Corporate media dying? What media is replacing it? I thought FOX news had very high ratings compared to other outlets?

The replacement is long form interviews on YouTube; you get the real story from people that were there and fully discuss the topic instead of scripted sound bites.

Couple of years after cutting cable TV from my life it became disturbing how I could predict the talking points of my baby boomer relatives who are both left & right aligned.

It got to the point where my cousins and I would make bingo cards for arguments and “discussions” between our boomer relatives at the family reunions…… GOD I Miss the WWII generation!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Fox does. Bret Baier for instance averages 2.3 million viewers and dominates his time slot. But according to Pew Research 80% of the US population are watching TV. That is something over 300 million people. The vast majority aren't watching Bret. Also according to Pew, 83% of the US public consume news in some form each day. Most of that is on line.

Wow, 80% are watching TV. I guess that explains it. Must be the same viewers keeping daytime Soap Operas running for decades? LOL. In today's digital world I wouldn't have imagined that. I guess falling into the 83% of watching news online I'm an outlier?

 

[Corey0372]

OK, I'll admit I'm naive I guess, but WHY is Corporate media dying? What media is replacing it? I thought FOX news had very high ratings compared to other outlets?

They're dying because because we live in a time where the things they say can be checked in near real time, and people can almost immediately mock and ridicule them when they lie. Not to mention access to faster (and often times better) reporting through the internet. People will constantly go on and on about the "dangers of fake news on the internet" and it's not unwarranted, but at the same time the corporate press get things wrong all the time, often intentionally.

Fox News does have higher ratings compared to other outlets, but I mean honestly look at the competition.... Joy Reid?

As far as I can tell what's going to replace it is a combination of X, Substack, and youtube/internet streaming sites, with people linking their work across the various platforms, forming little tribes and networks along the way. Sort of like what the Daily Wire, Blaze, TYT have done.

A concept that I think is underutilized and sort of forgotten about is Public Access TV. It's basically free, and is built on 1st Amendment principles. It would be cool to see people broadcast from a local public access station, and then just have a network of servers set up that people could log into and watch online if they wanted to. Bandwidth is the biggest inhibitor, which is why so many people just use streaming platforms, but if you wanted to broadcast without being beholden to the platform (rumble, youtube, etc.) or advertisers, you could get a handful of people to set up various servers around the country in a network. Like a public access TV TOR system.

 

[CoElkHunter]

The replacement is long form interviews on YouTube; you get the real story from people that were there and fully discuss the topic instead of scripted sound bites.

Couple of years after cutting cable TV from my life it became disturbing how I could predict the talking points of my baby boomer relatives who are both left & right aligned.

It got to the point where my cousins and I would make bingo cards for arguments and “discussions” between our boomer relatives at the family reunions…… GOD I Miss the WWII generation!

We cancelled our cable too a number of years ago when it went to $120/mo. So much for the deregulation of cable to bring down prices for the consumer? It did the opposite.

 

[Corey0372]

The replacement is long form interviews on YouTube; you get the real story from people that were there and fully discuss the topic instead of scripted sound bites.

Couple of years after cutting cable TV from my life it became disturbing how I could predict the talking points of my baby boomer relatives who are both left & right aligned.

It got to the point where my cousins and I would make bingo cards for arguments and “discussions” between our boomer relatives at the family reunions…… GOD I Miss the WWII generation!

hahaha, it's true

Cable news is typically pretty behind the curve on how quickly things develop as well, and if you want international news in the US... forget it.

 

[Corey0372]

We cancelled our cable too a number of years ago when it went to $120/mo. So much for the deregulation of cable to bring down prices for the consumer? It did the opposite.

I haven't had cable since 2007!

 

[Red Leg]

They're dying because because we live in a time where the things they say can be checked in near real time, and people can almost immediately mock and ridicule them when they lie. Not to mention access to faster (and often times better) reporting through the internet. People will constantly go on and on about the "dangers of fake news on the internet" and it's not unwarranted, but at the same time the corporate press get things wrong all the time, often intentionally.

Fox News does have higher ratings compared to other outlets, but I mean honestly look at the competition.... Joy Reid?

As far as I can tell what's going to replace it is a combination of X, Substack, and youtube/internet streaming sites, with people linking their work across the various platforms, forming little tribes and networks along the way. Sort of like what the Daily Wire, Blaze, TYT have done.

A concept that I think is underutilized and sort of forgotten about is Public Access TV. It's basically free, and is built on 1st Amendment principles. It would be cool to see people broadcast from a local public access station, and then just have a network of servers set up that people could log into and watch online if they wanted to. Bandwidth is the biggest inhibitor, which is why so many people just use streaming platforms, but if you wanted to broadcast without being beholden to the platform (rumble, youtube, etc.) or advertisers, you could get a handful of people to set up various servers around the country in a network. Like a public access TV TOR system.

You are correct. Sadly, much of what people consume, knowingly or not, is confirmation biased which only hardens opinions as opposed to offering broader information sources for truly informed opinions.

 

[Corey0372]

You are correct. Sadly, much of what people consume, knowingly or not, is confirmation biased which only hardens opinions as opposed to offering broader information sources for truly informed opinions.

I see clips of what passes as "news" sometimes, it's wild. The propaganda that's out there is mind-blowingly bold. I've also seen USA Today completely falsify something that I was there in real time for, like knowingly.
There's people who still believe the 40 beheaded babies story, there's also people who still wear masks.... in their cars..... alone

 

[CoElkHunter]

OK, speaking of the 80% watching TV/cable, WHO comprises the daytime viewers who have kept and keep ALL of the daytime soap operas, The View, Good Morning America, etc., and other mindless daytime nonsense on the air for DECADES? There must be a lot of viewers to support the endless commercials. I've always wanted to ask this question to an intelligent group, and that's been my downfall until now. LOL Everyone I know, men and women, mothers and fathers with children, either work from home or outside the home. Some work nights but most work days. So, who comprises this massive audience of daytime viewers supporting the daytime TV/Cable programming?

 

[CoElkHunter]

I see clips of what passes as "news" sometimes, it's wild. The propaganda that's out there is mind-blowingly bold. I've also seen USA Today completely falsify something that I was there in real time for, like knowingly.
There's people who still believe the 40 beheaded babies story, there's also people who still wear masks.... in their cars..... alone

"in their cars..... alone"...... Add on scooters, skateboards, bicycles, walking..... ALONE in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT! when I'm working and observing all of this. The End of Days is near! Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[sestoppelman]

We are debating nonsense. In politics one's opponents, regardless of party, have vast influence. Moderate and actual conservative republicans are focused on surviving a potential second Trump term. Of course, his views carry enormous weight. And you understand that as well as I do.

Only if they want them to, and if they allow him to.
He cant make them do anything, and you know that as well as I do.

 

[Ridge Runner]

We cancelled our cable too a number of years ago when it went to $120/mo. So much for the deregulation of cable to bring down prices for the consumer? It did the opposite.

When the corporate wants government to deregulate them expect their customers to pay more and more and more. Learned that lesson when the oil companies were deregulated and gas prices went from 35 cents a gallon to 50 cents a gallon and not long after that over a dollar per gallon....the Carter gas shortage.

 

[Scott CWO]

You are an intelligent person, so please don't champion assumptions channeled by the ignorant and uninformed. As you well know, Trump has enormous political power and he is using it to his electoral advantage to insure the border remains a prominent election issue. I get it. My problem with him doing so is that those efforts are counter to our national interests and such political calculations will kill Ukrainians and embolden Russia.

Yeah and if Trump wins, he won’t take office for almost a year. In that year, millions more will cross over illegally because of Biden. This is a dangerous situation. The dems and repubs that would like to
make border progress and start funding Ukraine again are trying to compromise but almost no one wants to sincerely work on the bill.