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So what does Hamas think will be gained by this attack? Surely they have some game plan, but I can’t grasp what it could be. They must know what Israel can do, and will do. They must know that Israel will not be deterred by biased media coverage. Israel will utterly destroy Hamases war fighting ability and put Gaza back under occupation. Do they believe that this will derail the normalization talks with Saudis? If so, I think they’re mistaken. Quite the opposite in fact. Saudi will see Iran’s duplicity in this as a warning. I expect that Saudi and Israel will eventually normalize relations.
The Wall Street Journal is running an exclusive story that says Iran has been plotting this attack on Israel for weeks. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp has been working with Hamas on the planning for this attack.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...ambotqsflce&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.
Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

The US State Dept is saying they didn't see any evidence of Iranian involvement. However, a European official advising the Syrian government agreed that Iran was involved.

It is a longer article but the link should allow you to get beyond the firewall.
 
Joe Bidens puppet strings being pulled by the Democrat shadow government, and Blinken is an idiot
Blinken IS an idiot. To make the statement that "we" have no evidence that Iran is involved with the Hamas attack is ludicrous. Where did Hamas get their thousands of rockets from? Who helped plan the attack and gave Hamas the tech to block Israeli military communications at the start of the attack? Brandon and his Marxist puppet masters are STILL trying to appease Iran to get them to sign off on the nuclear proliferation deal.
 
+1. While we still have a braindead President in office and his incompetent minions running the show. If I were a betting man, I'd call next September or October in the midst of the Presidential election fiasco the timing for the invasion. Catch Brandon in a Baskin Robbins trying to decide on his ice cream flavor and then invade. LOL
 
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A pretty good compilation of Israeli Air Force strike videos. I have to assume their targeting intel is pretty good (which begs the question how they failed so badly in detecting the pending Hamas attack). My assumption is they are taking out every building and facility associated with the Hamas governance of Gaza. They would also strike known weapons storage areas and suspected tunnel complexes. I also suspect not a single Hamas leader has a home to which he can return.

This sort of interdiction campaign in a built-up area will cause collateral casualties - probably large numbers of them. We almost certainly would no prosecute it so aggressively, but then again 911 was not perpetrated by a neighbor, and our more restrained strategy in Afghanistan (the closest comparison) was not altogether successful. Whatever else happens over the next several weeks, the Israeli response will be long remembered in Gaza.

 
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Billions given with no enforceable strings attached, (reminiscent of cash on the tarmac?) ten billion in assets unlocked from Trump freezes, 35% or more oil past the unenforced blockade by administration non-enforcement--and we wonder how Iran gets involved in terrorism? When are we going to stop financing the wars against us?
It is a further irritation to learn that Israel has gun control--one weapon with 50 rounds was allowed--it has since been increased to 100 rounds (big whoop). But what good does that do you when the young people at the festival were almost universally unarmed?! You can bet I would not be caught 100 ft from my weapon if I lived there!
 
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+1. While we still have a braindead President in office and his incompetent minions running the show. If I were a betting man, I'd call next September or October in the midst of the Presidential election fiasco the timing for the invasion. Catch Brandon in a Baskin Robbins trying to decide on his ice cream flavor and then invade. LOL
Yeah, I was thinking by next summer Jin Ping will launch. I'm sure he has been in deep communication with the Democrat operatives on what the best timing will be. Just like Covid.
 
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A pretty good compilation of Israeli Air Force strike videos. I have to assume their targeting intel is pretty good (which begs the question how they failed so badly in detecting the pending Hamas attack). My assumption is they are taking out every building and facility associated with the Hamas governance of Gaza. They would also strike known weapons storage areas and suspected tunnel complexes. I also suspect not a single Hamas leader has a home to which he can return.

This sort of interdiction campaign in a built-up area will cause collateral casualties - probably large numbers of them. We almost certainly would no prosecute it so aggressively, but then again 911 was not perpetrated by a neighbor, and our more restrained strategy in Afghanistan (the closest comparison) was not altogether successful. Whatever else happens over the next several weeks, the Israeli response will be long remembered in Gaza.

The new version of Rolling Thunder is really quite surgical. While there will be unfortunate collateral casualties, watching that video shows how precise bombing has gotten. You see one building leveled while the surrounding buildings are left standing.

Contrast that with old school bombing using dumb bombs where it would look like a tornado had come down and leveled a long, straight strip of buildings.
 
I noticed Big O finally came out to condemn Hamas. Don't doubt cover and smoke because he knows full well at least $150bn he gave to Iran has his fingerprints in addition to all his other suspicious concessions. Also, does anyone else smell a rat or rats with the lack of intelligence about the raid? Could there be internal saboteurs given the internal turmoil or even external sympathizers?...
 
The Israelis need to counter Hamas threats, and tell the ragheads that if they kill any hostages, that they will wipe the "Dome on the rock" off the face of the earth.
 
The Israelis need to counter Hamas threats, and tell the ragheads that if they kill any hostages, that they will wipe the "Dome on the rock" off the face of the earth.
Regrettably that would undo every bit of work Israel and several administrations including Trump's have done to normalize relations between Israel and its neighbors. All would be forced into an unending holy war against Israel.
 
Unfortunately, the Hamas rats hide in the underground tunnels. They are going to have to flush them out.
Bunker buster guided bombs. Lots of them! The more the merrier! LOL
 
A pretty good compilation of Israeli Air Force strike videos. I have to assume their targeting intel is pretty good (which begs the question how they failed so badly in detecting the pending Hamas attack). My assumption is they are taking out every building and facility associated with the Hamas governance of Gaza. They would also strike known weapons storage areas and suspected tunnel complexes. I also suspect not a single Hamas leader has a home to which he can return.

This sort of interdiction campaign in a built-up area will cause collateral casualties - probably large numbers of them. We almost certainly would no prosecute it so aggressively, but then again 911 was not perpetrated by a neighbor, and our more restrained strategy in Afghanistan (the closest comparison) was not altogether successful. Whatever else happens over the next several weeks, the Israeli response will be long remembered in Gaza.


Read through the Winograd Commission (AAR of sorts) Israel put together after the 2006 war with Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon, some key points......



12. In the period we examined in the Final Report - from July 18, 2006, to August 14, 2006- again troubling findings were revealed, some of which had already been mentioned in the Interim Report:

• We found serious failings and shortcomings in the decision-making processes and staff-work in the political and the military echelons and their interface.

• We found serious failings and flaws in the quality of preparedness, decision-making and performance in the IDF high command, especially in the Army.

• We found serious failings and flaws in the lack of strategic thinking and planning, in both the political and the military echelons.

• We found severe failings and flaws in the defence of the civilian population and in coping with its being attacked by rockets.

• These weaknesses resulted in part from inadequacies of preparedness and strategic and operative planning which go back long before the 2nd Lebanon war.

13. The decision made in the night of July 12th – to react (to the kidnapping) with immediate and substantive military action, and to set for it ambitious goals - limited Israel's range of options. In fact, after the initial decision had been made, Israel had only two main options, each with its coherent internal logic, and its set of costs and disadvantages. The first was a short, painful, strong and unexpected blow on Hizbullah, primarily through standoff fire-power. The second option was to bring about a significant change of the reality in the South of Lebanon with a large ground operation, including a temporary occupation of the South of Lebanon and ‘cleaning’ it of Hezbollah military infrastructure.

14. The choice between these options was within the exclusive political discretion of the government; however, the way the original decision to go to war had been made; the fact Israel went to war before it decided which option to select, and without an exit strategy – all these constituted serious failures, which affected the whole war. Responsibility for these failures lay, as we had stressed in the Interim Report, on both the political and the military echelons.
(Winograd Report, https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/winograd-commission-final-report-january-2008)

Of note, Hezbollah was able to inflict this level of damage to IDF (20 tanks destroyed) back then, and they are night and day difference MORE powerful NOW than they were in 2006.


Rumors of the Taliban getting involved is mostly fake news, highly unlikely in my opinion. If outside non-state forces get involved (other than Hamas and Hezbollah) it'll likely be from the Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq. All they would need is the gas money and the thumbs up from the Shiia leaders and they could move through Syria relatively unmolested (especially if they got some bonus anti-aircraft capability from the IRGC) as they are in the good graces of Assad as well as Russia.

The Popular Mobilization Forces have been involved in serious combat (most of IDF have not) and bore most of the fighting against ISIS in urban combat in places like Mosul and Kirkuk. While there are splits among them, they have serious numbers (over 200k) and even if only 20-30k made the trip, it would make a huge difference in the fight, especially bc theyre composed of both shiia and sunni (Christians too, albeit a small amount). They also have the benefit of already being in much of Syria, and with the fight against ISIS essentially over, they have nothing else to do. Not to mention they have had a low level axe to grind against the US and Israel for years, especially after the death of Soleimani.


 

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