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The land that is Israel today was Israeli land before it was Arab land. Palestinian's are Arabs that started calling themselves Palestinians in the 1960's.

Before the land was settled by Israel apx. 3500 years ago, it was occupied by Canaanites, with Philistines occupying five city states around the current area of Gaza. There are no known Canaanites living today. There are probably some remnants of Philistines living in Haifa, Tyre and Beirut. The last significant Philistine nation was Carthage which was destroyed by Scipio Africanus in the third Punic War.

Over the centuries, Israelis spread throughout the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. Primarily due to persecution by Arabs and Ottomans.

Technically the Jews are the oldest race to occupy the land. The post WWII return of the European diaspora being the first time Israelites have had autonomous rule since Pompey destroyed the Hasmonean Kingdom.
Thought Carthaginians were Phoenicians whose original homeland was present-day Lebanon and that it has been speculated that the Philistines were descendants/remnants of the enigmatic “Sea Peoples” (Phoenicians could have been as well I guess)?

Israel did not destroy all the Canaanites like they were told to so there are some descendants left. They just merged with other peoples over the centuries. And were swept up in the pan Arab movement like most peoples in the region
 
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The US has always supported$$$ Israel. (Only Allie/Democratic Society in the M.E.)
Israels Not asking for any Money, Weapons, Support for this war.

Why is such a small country like Israel able to Fight their War, when Ukraine (a lot bigger) is unable to Fight their War without the Help, Money, & Support of US & Europe against Russia. When they've always known Russia has been a Threat?
Thank you.
 
The US has always supported$$$ Israel. (Only Allie/Democratic Society in the M.E.)
Israels Not asking for any Money, Weapons, Support for this war.

Why is such a small country like Israel able to Fight their War, when Ukraine (a lot bigger) is unable to Fight their War without the Help, Money, & Support of US & Europe against Russia. When they've always known Russia has been a Threat?
Thank you.



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Beat me to it. What people don’t know is sometimes astounding. There was an article being passed around on right wing sites yesterday essentially saying the same thing about Ukraine. In this case, they were comparing annual amounts ignoring the decades Israel has received US support. I mean their Air Force, the most capable in the Middle East, is equipped with US standard F-16’s and F-15’s and was the first foreign partner to take delivery of the F-35. Ukraine can only dream of such support.

To date, Israel has benefitted from a cumulative adjusted total of $250+ billion. This does not count joint defense projects where Israel contributed in kind development assistance on major weapons programs. It also does not consider the decades long black budget contributions between CIA/DIA and Mossad.

I do not begrudge a penny of that support. But it is something that our citizens should fully understand.

I should also add, fighting Arab states and terrorists is not exactly the same thing as taking on Russia in an all out ground war.
 
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Beat me to it. What people don’t know is sometimes astounding. There was an article being passed around on right wing sites yesterday essentially saying the same thing about Ukraine. In this case, they were comparing annual amounts ignoring the decades Israel has received US support. I mean their Air Force, the most capable in the Middle East, is equipped with US standard F-16’s and F-15’s and was the first foreign partner to take delivery of the F-35. Ukraine can only dream of such support.
US money to support Israel and the UAE is money well spent, IMHO.
 
To stay on the Israel/Hamas conflict, what is Hamas, if it isn't the military wing of the PLO? Am I correct in writing this? Hamas' behaviour is even worse than that of the Nazis, anf the SS. I fear that no hostage will remain alive when, or if the conflict comes to an end... ...

Hamas and Hezbollah are controlled and funded by Iran.. look up the Hamas charter...their enemies are jews..christians..freemasons..lions club...we westernes are branded as crusaders and of course it ok to kill all the aforementioned..
I sincerely hope that Israel go into Gaza with boots on the ground and crush Hamas once and for all..

The same apply to Hezbollah in Lebanon..
 
And which administrations have dumped +/- $156 billion USD on the no1 supporter nation of terrorism in the world since the fall of the Shah orchestrated by the peanut and MSM? Then name the only true ally of the US in the ME. Then name an equal ally to the US in the greater Black Sea region? Grade school level geography and uncomplicated history… all hiding in plain sight.
 
What our "progressive" friends will not realize is that the vast majority of these charming and feel virtuous about myself immigrants and migrants refuse to assimilate into our respective cultures.

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A problem with comparing the Ukraine-Russia conflict with the Middle east- Israel problem is there are different goals and motivations. Russia is following the traditional conquest model. It's goal is to expand its political boundaries and control to as large an area, possibly the entire world. The goal is political.
the Islam goal is to convert everyone to their religion, and not only to Islam but to their sect of Islam. Since Israel is clearly not about to convert and since the Islam sect has been so thoroughly indoctrinated as to their god given authority to kill the infidels, they make it a personal conflict. Political boundaries have no real meaning- it's the beliefs of the government and people that they see as needing to be killed.
So Russia fights a war to gain territory, Iran & its quislings seek to kill infidels.
 
What our "progressive" friends will not realize is that the vast majority of these charming and feel virtuous about myself immigrants and migrants refuse to assimilate into our respective cultures.
So true. One of my favorite quotes by one of my favorite folks.
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@Red Leg, & Everyone
I'm waiting to hear what "The Squad" has to say? .. when they've been criticizing Israel since in office. Not a Peep

Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts

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Thought Carthaginians were Phoenicians whose original homeland was present-day Lebanon and that it has been speculated that the Philistines were descendants/remnants of the enigmatic “Sea Peoples” (Phoenicians could have been as well I guess)?

Israel did not destroy all the Canaanites like they were told to so there are some descendants left. They just merged with other peoples over the centuries. And were swept up in the pan Arab movement like most peoples in the region

Agree with you. You obviously have good memory and knowledge.

The Canaanites also intermarried with the Jews. The point is, there is no race known as Canaanites today that would have a claim on Israel prior to the Jews.

Phoenicians were definitely the sea peoples of the eastern Mediterranean that settled Carthage.

The Phoenicians and Philistines were both sea peoples. Were the Phoenicians and/or the Philistines the "Sea Peoples" of antiquity that caused so much destruction through Egypt and the Mediterranean islands, there is pretty good evidence that they were or were at least part of a Minoan confederation of sea people. Over time new information becomes unearthed that lead to new and improved theories.

Forty years ago it was a general consensus that the Philistines were the southern tribes of the Phoenicians. At worst the Philistines were part of a confederation of sea people that included the Phoenicians and probably included a common language and heritage.


Perhaps the two most interesting and possibly the most historically important of the Sea Peoples tribes were the Danuna and Peleset. Most modern scholars believe that both the Danuana and the Peleset contributed heavily to the historical books of the Old Testament and the ancient Kingdom of Israel, but they were on different sides of the struggle. The Danuna probably originated in the Anatolian region of Cilicia and then settled in the Levant and became, or integrated with, the biblical tribe of Dan once the invasions had ended. [20] The Pelest tribe is now almost unanimously associated with the biblical Philistines, with their ultimate origins still being somewhat of a mystery, although they are believed to have also been in Anatolia before arriving in the Levant.

Dan is inland from Tyre in this map. Tyre was a southern Phoenician city.

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The ultimate collapse of Egyptian power in the region occurred about 1175 B.C. at the hands of the Sea Peoples, of whom the best known are the Philistines.



Philistine, one of a people of Aegean origin who settled on the southern coast of Palestine ........as one of the Sea Peoples that invaded Egypt about 1190 BCE

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Egyptian records from the 12th-13th centuries B.C. mention the Philistines in connection with the Sea Peoples. Due to their similar maritime history, their association with each other is strong. The Sea Peoples were a confederacy of naval raiders who were assumed to have moved in the eastern Mediterranean areas during the Bronze Age. It has been theorized that the Sea Peoples were originally Etruscan, Italian, Mycenaen or Minoan. As a group, they primarily focused their efforts on attacking Egypt during 1200-900 BCE.



Phoenician colonies. Map includes Philistia.

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Agree with you. You obviously have good memory and knowledge.

The Canaanites also intermarried with the Jews. The point is, there is no race known as Canaanites today that would have a claim on Israel prior to the Jews.

Phoenicians were definitely the sea peoples of the eastern Mediterranean that settled Carthage.

The Phoenicians and Philistines were both sea peoples. Were the Phoenicians and/or the Philistines the "Sea Peoples" of antiquity that caused so much destruction through Egypt and the Mediterranean islands, there is pretty good evidence that they were or were at least part of a Minoan confederation of sea people. Over time new information becomes unearthed that lead to new and improved theories.

Forty years ago it was a general consensus that the Philistines were the southern tribes of the Phoenicians. At worst the Philistines were part of a confederation of sea people that included the Phoenicians and probably included a common language and heritage.


Perhaps the two most interesting and possibly the most historically important of the Sea Peoples tribes were the Danuna and Peleset. Most modern scholars believe that both the Danuana and the Peleset contributed heavily to the historical books of the Old Testament and the ancient Kingdom of Israel, but they were on different sides of the struggle. The Danuna probably originated in the Anatolian region of Cilicia and then settled in the Levant and became, or integrated with, the biblical tribe of Dan once the invasions had ended. [20] The Pelest tribe is now almost unanimously associated with the biblical Philistines, with their ultimate origins still being somewhat of a mystery, although they are believed to have also been in Anatolia before arriving in the Levant.

Dan is inland from Tyre in this map. Tyre was a southern Phoenician city.

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The ultimate collapse of Egyptian power in the region occurred about 1175 B.C. at the hands of the Sea Peoples, of whom the best known are the Philistines.



Philistine, one of a people of Aegean origin who settled on the southern coast of Palestine ........as one of the Sea Peoples that invaded Egypt about 1190 BCE

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Egyptian records from the 12th-13th centuries B.C. mention the Philistines in connection with the Sea Peoples. Due to their similar maritime history, their association with each other is strong. The Sea Peoples were a confederacy of naval raiders who were assumed to have moved in the eastern Mediterranean areas during the Bronze Age. It has been theorized that the Sea Peoples were originally Etruscan, Italian, Mycenaen or Minoan. As a group, they primarily focused their efforts on attacking Egypt during 1200-900 BCE.



Phoenician colonies. Map includes Philistia.

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Point taken (y). Lots of good info and terribly interesting history there
 

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