Politics

[Red Leg]

It may already be past the point of no return- A DemonRat win may actually prolong the collapse.
If the Rs win in 11/2024 and Pres/Congress return to a tough on China policy, China will realize that their window of opportunity is closing- result: immediate confrontation. Secondly, China would also force default on US debt, causing the monetary system to collapse. A DemonRat win would give China more time to reach its goals and allow the US to dig its hole deeper making the collapse even greater.

Ray, how could China force the US into default? More importantly, why would they? A real default on the US’s debt would precipitate a global economic crisis. China loses under such a collapse far more than most nations. They put about 80% of their annual GDP on container ships to sell elsewhere. A global economic crisis means no one would have the money to buy their shit.

Militarily, they are in no position to prevail. Bluster? Yes. Bully? Depends on who is running our government. But actually winning a shooting war against the US? Only in the movies. Beating us would require several things they lack. A blue water navy, an economy based on internal consumption and finally, access to American dollars, which gets shut off the moment the bullets fly.

I‘m unimpressed with China‘s chances as an adversary….much less so if they became an enemy.

I started to reply and you beat me to it. The last thing that the Chinese economy could absorb would be a US default - whatever its causes. China's debt level is currently running 300% of GDP. Infrastructure is substantially overbuilt. Moreover, the foreign holdings of Chinese government bonds are one twentieth that of the US government. They could not begin to step in and attempt to manage the international monetary system. Finally, they have no economy without the US and Western European markets. Any significant disruption of that trade would pose an economic disaster for China.

A pretty good primer on the limitations of Chinese economic power.

Is it a Risk for America that China Holds over $1 Trillion in U.S. Debt? | ChinaPower Project

Many worry that China’s ownership of American debt affords the Chinese leverage over the US, but this worry stems from a misunderstanding of sovereign debt.

chinapower.csis.org

 

[steve white]

I agree with your politics but where is the proof of your allegations? Reading something online doesn’t mean it really happened. If there’s proof, I’m all for exposing it and prosecution of those involved.

The 2:00 am delivery of ballots was TELEVISED, not obtained from internet sources.

 

[Brent in Az]

Biden is such a weak bumbling buffoon, they had to send that idiot Blinken to China to meet with Dictator Xi.
Xi owns Biden anyway, and knows the time is now to make his moves.

The world is laughing at us.

 

[Scott CWO]

The 2:00 am delivery of ballots was TELEVISED, not obtained from internet sources.

That was shown to be election workers that were going home for the night but then were told by their superiors to keep working so they got the ballots back out and continued on. You’re not following up the initial fake reports by Guliani.

 

[Red Leg]

The 2:00 am delivery of ballots was TELEVISED, not obtained from internet sources.

Actually that is indeed an internet driven urban myth that has taken on gospel status on the far right sites. @Scott CWO has it exactly correct.

 

[PARA45]

 

[BSO Dave]

Actually that is indeed an internet driven urban myth that has taken on gospel status on the far right sites. @Scott CWO has it exactly correct.

In regard to this particular video in question, I have watched the full-length version many times and I have heard the explanations of what occurred from both sides. It's my opinion that anyone who is capable of impartially watching the entire video must reasonably conclude that there was no clear-cut evidence one way or the other to prove corruption or lack thereof... What I do know is that there was some fishy shit going on there that was absolutely not sufficiently explained, and the video begs more questions than it answers...

That video aside, there are also numerous additional examples of shenanigans that occurred on that day which also have never been addressed to the point of being proven, reasonably explained, or debunked. What ever happened to the video showing the poll worker running ballots thorough the counting machine over and over again after all the other workers were sent home? It's never been explained why the windows in counting rooms in Michigan were covered in cardboard and poll monitors refused entry. I also never heard the official explanation for the call to stop the counting during a national election at 2am when all of the early estimated counts had Trump significantly ahead in the key districts? Isn't also curious that the only controversies came from polling precincts in the 5 biggest swing states? I could list dozens more examples, but I think you can see what I'm getting at here..

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to ponder the odds of these incredible coincidences... Suffice to say that some shady bullshit occurred in some incredibly convenient democratic locations which has not been sufficiently explained to the American people. Now, as far as any of the aforementioned scenarios resulting in a different outcome, I have heard it said by many that "tampering and fraud" on a small scale is "expected and common" in any election. To that I say bullshit! When is it or has it ever been expected or commonplace? Tampering and fraud on any scale should be intolerable to the American voter...

To those of you who believe that if there was any tampering or fraud that it wasn't enough to change the outcome of the election, I believe that is a naive position... Unfortunately, we will never really know one way or the other because we are governed by a nation of political cowards who lack the stones to investigate the truth...

 

[Red Leg]

Or we have a candidate and portion of the electorate uninterested in any explanation other than fraud.

I would suggest for the umpteenth time were my party focused on worrying about something constructive with respect to the next election it would be how to nominate truly electable candidates and how to implement an early voting ground game in about half a dozen states capable of competing with the democrats.

But no. We would much rather sit around complaining about the "swamp," rhinos, unfair elections, the judiciary, and the size of Adam Schiff's neck.

 

[Doug3006]

A serious, conservative, articulate candidate would be a godsend. So too would be a platform that provides a sharp contrast with the left’s agenda. The election would not be a close thing. A blowout on the order of what happened in Florida.

 

[flatwater bill]

FWIW: there are a lot of benefits to having the World's official currency. If you want to borrow money, just issue bonds, countries will buy them.....they need US dollars to import necessities that they can't produce themselves....the US bond always sells. So far. Other counties that want to borrow money also issue bonds....but if they don't sell, there are only two options....1. Live within their means or 2. Print money.....with the resultant inflation. That is why inflation is rampant in much of the world (eg 109% in Argentina and 456% in Venezuela) but usually not in the USA. BRICS will meet in August in an effort to develop an alternative World currency. Are they playing the long game? Saying our default is inevitable, and willing to suffer the ensuing chaos, instead of military conflict, to defeat us? Trying to prepare? I think so. The US Debt to GDP ratio is about 1.4 (23Tand 32T) while China's is 1.28 (18T and 23T) according to both the World Bank and Bloomberg (2022 data). But their economy is growing much faster than ours, and perhaps they could more easily survive disruption. Several very impressive economists believe as I do, and state that reassuring articles (to the contrary of my opinion) are often self serving to keep the current system afloat a bit longer. For those of you that are not economists, but would like to know more, "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by Griffin is a fascinating read (ya, a book about economics is really that)......Best of luck with your future hunts.....and for most of us, the economy will play a vital role in achieving them.......FWB

 

[Scott CWO]

A serious, conservative, articulate candidate would be a godsend. So too would be a platform that provides a sharp contrast with the left’s agenda. The election would not be a close thing. A blowout on the order of what happened in Florida.

I was impressed with Senator Tim Scott’s town hall on Fox. In a general election, he would likely receive the votes of most of Trump’s followers and some black votes - probably enough to win? I also think Desantis could win but Scott would get more black votes.

 

[Scott CWO]

In regard to this particular video in question, I have watched the full-length version many times and I have heard the explanations of what occurred from both sides. It's my opinion that anyone who is capable of impartially watching the entire video must reasonably conclude that there was no clear-cut evidence one way or the other to prove corruption or lack thereof... What I do know is that there was some fishy shit going on there that was absolutely not sufficiently explained, and the video begs more questions than it answers...

That video aside, there are also numerous additional examples of shenanigans that occurred on that day which also have never been addressed to the point of being proven, reasonably explained, or debunked. What ever happened to the video showing the poll worker running ballots thorough the counting machine over and over again after all the other workers were sent home? It's never been explained why the windows in counting rooms in Michigan were covered in cardboard and poll monitors refused entry. I also never heard the official explanation for the call to stop the counting during a national election at 2am when all of the early estimated counts had Trump significantly ahead in the key districts? Isn't also curious that the only controversies came from polling precincts in the 5 biggest swing states? I could list dozens more examples, but I think you can see what I'm getting at here..

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to ponder the odds of these incredible coincidences... Suffice to say that some shady bullshit occurred in some incredibly convenient democratic locations which has not been sufficiently explained to the American people. Now, as far as any of the aforementioned scenarios resulting in a different outcome, I have heard it said by many that "tampering and fraud" on a small scale is "expected and common" in any election. To that I say bullshit! When is it or has it ever been expected or commonplace? Tampering and fraud on any scale should be intolerable to the American voter...

To those of you who believe that if there was any tampering or fraud that it wasn't enough to change the outcome of the election, I believe that is a naive position... Unfortunately, we will never really know one way or the other because we are governed by a nation of political cowards who lack the stones to investigate the truth...

The election workers in the video were interviewed and asked what was going on. Some of them were Republicans and longstanding employees. Your information that just comes from watching a video does not provide context.

 

[mdwest]

 

[BSO Dave]

The election workers in the video were interviewed and asked what was going on. Some of them were Republicans and longstanding employees. Your information that just comes from watching a video does not provide context.

With all due respect to your opinion, what you have stated above is bullshit...Do not presume to know how I arrive at my positions... I watched that video numerous times and listened to the poll workers & witnesses' statements along with the pundit's explanations and that collective information is what I used to form my conclusion that the video has left much unexplained...

The most shady and relevant unexplained occurrence is that nobody could adequately explain why the mysterious boxes of ballots which arrived earlier in the evening sat in the middle of the floor for hours while other ballots arriving later were counted before them? Time clocks on video surveillance does not lie.. Those ballots were not counted until they were eventually stored and then retrieved from under the tables after the 2am count had stopped, and then the call supposedly came to restart the count...

If they were legitimate ballots as suggested, why were they not counted as they arrived? The standard procedure is that ballots are supposed to be counted as they arrive... The popular explanation was that they were unnoticed or forgotten and then stored under the tables to be counted later just prior to the initial call to stop the count for the night was given... Unnoticed? Innocently forgotten? Really? Workers were stepping around them for hours... If you are okay with that explanation, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale that you may be interested in...

There is, or at least was, a video on YouTube that very clearly showed a chronological breakdown of events... Strange that I can't find it anymore. . LOL..

But no. We would much rather sit around complaining about the "swamp," rhinos, unfair elections, the judiciary, and the size of Adam Schiff's neck.

I'm not the one that brought up the election fraud allegations... You and Scott CWO did by dismissing them once again as conspiracy lunacy and a waste of time. I replied because I disagree... If the electorate is indeed over hearing about these things you list above and wants to move on, then the electorate is stupid.

Focusing on joining the democrats in their legal ballot harvesting and early voting practices is all well and good, but I fear it does precious little if we continue to have a federal government supported by MSM's propaganda that openly weaponizes its powers against half of the electorate while a majority of the republicans stand by and allow it to happen.

 

[Red Leg]

With all due respect to your opinion, what you have stated above is bullshit...Do not presume to know how I arrive at my positions... I watched that video numerous times and listened to the poll workers & witnesses' statements along with the pundit's explanations and that collective information is what I used to form my conclusion that the video has left much unexplained...

The most shady and relevant unexplained occurrence is that nobody could adequately explain why the mysterious boxes of ballots which arrived earlier in the evening sat in the middle of the floor for hours while other ballots arriving later were counted before them? Time clocks on video surveillance does not lie.. Those ballots were not counted until they were eventually stored and then retrieved from under the tables after the 2am count had stopped, and then the call supposedly came to restart the count...

If they were legitimate ballots as suggested, why were they not counted as they arrived? The standard procedure is that ballots are supposed to be counted as they arrive... The popular explanation was that they were unnoticed or forgotten and then stored under the tables to be counted later just prior to the initial call to stop the count for the night was given... Unnoticed? Innocently forgotten? Really? Workers were stepping around them for hours... If you are okay with that explanation, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale that you may be interested in...

There is, or at least was, a video on YouTube that very clearly showed a chronological breakdown of events... Strange that I can't find it anymore. . LOL..



I'm not the one that brought up the election fraud allegations... You and Scott CWO did by dismissing them once again as conspiracy lunacy and a waste of time. I replied because I disagree... If the electorate is indeed over hearing about these things you list above and wants to move on, then the electorate is stupid.

Focusing on joining the democrats in their legal ballot harvesting and early voting practices is all well and good, but I fear it does precious little if we continue to have a federal government supported by MSM's propaganda that openly weaponizes its powers against half of the electorate while a majority of the republicans stand by and allow it to happen.

As usual. we'll simply disagree. Clearly also with regard to what constitutes "bullshit." Your choice of words, not mine. And because, as usual, there is apparently no ground for common discussion, I am delighted to move on.

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

It seems to me that you are all a bit correct, and the blended takeaway recipe would probably be acceptable to all too:
1. Acknowledge that voting and counting irregularities did indeed occur and whether consequential or not make a huge fuss about it so that perpetrators are on notice for next time.
2. Get an electable candidate to win the nomination. This is by far the most important task.
3. Start right away, today, planning to motivate voters and beat the Dems at their own harvesting games.

 

[Scott CWO]

With all due respect to your opinion, what you have stated above is bullshit...Do not presume to know how I arrive at my positions... I watched that video numerous times and listened to the poll workers & witnesses' statements along with the pundit's explanations and that collective information is what I used to form my conclusion that the video has left much unexplained...

The most shady and relevant unexplained occurrence is that nobody could adequately explain why the mysterious boxes of ballots which arrived earlier in the evening sat in the middle of the floor for hours while other ballots arriving later were counted before them? Time clocks on video surveillance does not lie.. Those ballots were not counted until they were eventually stored and then retrieved from under the tables after the 2am count had stopped, and then the call supposedly came to restart the count...

If they were legitimate ballots as suggested, why were they not counted as they arrived? The standard procedure is that ballots are supposed to be counted as they arrive... The popular explanation was that they were unnoticed or forgotten and then stored under the tables to be counted later just prior to the initial call to stop the count for the night was given... Unnoticed? Innocently forgotten? Really? Workers were stepping around them for hours... If you are okay with that explanation, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale that you may be interested in...

There is, or at least was, a video on YouTube that very clearly showed a chronological breakdown of events... Strange that I can't find it anymore. . LOL..



I'm not the one that brought up the election fraud allegations... You and Scott CWO did by dismissing them once again as conspiracy lunacy and a waste of time. I replied because I disagree... If the electorate is indeed over hearing about these things you list above and wants to move on, then the electorate is stupid.

Focusing on joining the democrats in their legal ballot harvesting and early voting practices is all well and good, but I fear it does precious little if we continue to have a federal government supported by MSM's propaganda that openly weaponizes its powers against half of the electorate while a majority of the republicans stand by and allow it to happen.

Of course, you are always right. It’s always your way or the highway on every subject due to your inside knowledge and painstaking investigations on the internet.

Well, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and file a lawsuit if you know the truth?

 

[steve white]

Prager University has a pretty good video on why ballot harvesting should never be allowed, period.

 

[WAB]

Prager University has a pretty good video on why ballot harvesting should never be allowed, period.

I totally agree, however, if it’s legal and the dems are doing it, we’d better get off our asses and fight fire with fire until we can get the laws changed!

 

[Scott CWO]

Hunter Biden invoked dad’s name to get paid, text shows​

Shapley, the IRS supervisor-turned-whistleblower, told House lawmakers that Justice Department prosecutors denied requests to look into messages allegedly from Hunter Biden where he used his father as leverage to pressure a Chinese company into paying him.

“I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled,” according to a document Shapley gave to Congress, which quotes from texts that are allegedly from Hunter Biden to the CEO of a Chinese fund management company.

The message continues: “Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand. And now means tonight.” The message goes onto say, “I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.”

The second, unnamed IRS whistleblower also testified to lawmakers about this alleged WhatsApp message, saying prosecutors questioned whether they could be sure Hunter Biden was telling the truth that his father was actually in the room in the messages. The unnamed whistleblower testified that they did not know whether the FBI investigated the message.

What a bunch of dirty bastards.